Quote from Crashgate3 :

I think it was Sweden (I may be wrong) where for ages the wheel was on the left of the car, but they drove on the left. It was realised that this was a ridiculous situation, so one day, at an agreed time, every car in the country swapped sides to drive on the right.

1967. On the small rural roads everyone liked the idea of having a very close eye on the nearest dich (and pedestrians to pass etc), therefore left-steered cars was liked. When the speeds increased it became alot more important to avoid fast going oncoming cars (so the switch was made)

1) When in doubt...blame which moderator? All.

2) What's a cracker's favourite excuse? I cant afford software for my eur2000 computer.

3) Where is the first server most new S2 players go? The topmost.

4) Name 3 ways to get a topic locked? a; Repost the topic of any thred popular that just sliped to page two. b; Buy m0re V*agra. c; Post "We must have skylines and rx7s now" (Oh sorry thats "a")

5) What would you do if you were banned from the forum? race maybe.

6) Which in your opinion is the best moderator and why? .

7) What is the point of cruise servers? Get rid of cruicing on the racing servers.

9) DieKolkrabe is sexy, true or false? N/A

10) Should this be on the forum? :P Whatever

Quote from Gunn :

No, they hate drifters because so many young people with immature behaviour happen to be attracted to drifting. Therefore you see a lot of drifters in the community who are a total PITA, many of whom don't understand what a race simulator is and who often will make suggestions that are irrelevant to the development of a race sim, and they often voice their opinions in annoying ways.
This type of behaviour is not limited to any group of players but manifests itself most often with players who openly support drifting. Therefore an animosity towards that group builds up over time and people form stereotypical opinions about the group as a whole.

Many drifters seem to go out of their way to try and make an issue of the "us VS them" debate, which incidentally, only usually rears it's ugly head when drifters make threads like this one. Many drifters act all victimised when somebody suggests that a race sim should concentrate on developing features pertaining to racing, instead of drifting. Some people seem to take it personally that this is a race simulator and not a drift simulator. It is what it is. Don't take it personally.

It's only natural that some kind of division occurs.

The division here isn't really about the drifting, it's about people's attitudes and behaviour towards a group of people who coincidentally like drifting.

LOL if you replace "drifter" with "LFS Fan" you get the exact situation of how those lfs fans who are visiting the other sim forums at RSC are percived. (Obnoxious, flame spamming 14y.o kids.) The overall LFS community has matured alot recently since LFS now is a very proper sim.
But from reading this thread I see the immature obnoxiousness still lives in the community

You compare drifting to figure skating. I would compare it to Ski jump, the main objective IS to go fast, but doing it "stylish" is alos important.

A short story on the evolution of drifting:
a. Trying to make a underpowered street car on tarmac look like its driving like a rally car. Mostly useless but looks kind of cool. Since it was done with normal mind bogglingly understeery street cars on mountain roads with very tight hairpins oversteer was used to fight the understeer.
b. Touge competition, (operation described earlier in the thread). A set of rules to do somewahat fair street racing on a short tarmac stage.
Combine the both to get the racing that happend in the anime Initial-D. The fictious Akina mountains has a very special type of tarmac with gravel type grip which gives powersliding an advantage (just like it does in rally and iceracing) hence drifting is useful. Going wide also makes sure your car is wide enough to prevent any passing in the turns (swerve on the straights and a faster car is still second)
In comes commercial interests seeing the profit potential in having Initial-D style competition with real cars. Hence having to regulate some rules and have judges to prevent anyone from trying to "cheat" by driving properly (grip driving)

Some (maybe even most) that discuss drifting at this forum should read the d1gp regulations, and judge the sport from that. NOT from arcade games like NFS, stupid hollywood movies or from what 13y.o kids say it is. That would make you look less stupid when you open your mouth.

You could say its not racing, well I diddn't call "left turn only"-racing or drag racing proper racing either a few years ago. I like to watch skateboarding but as an art form not a competition. Remove the judges and its a decent ultra sprint racing style (where all races between similar cars with similarly skilled races will tie)

Further studies: Check out the rally vids of Christian Rigollet, some episodes of Initial-D (skip the teen drama parts you might go mentally ill) some d1gp races, and a race of iceracing (like trophee andross).

Trust me, you want it as it is, becuase othevise you can open the nice picture nude_anna_kournikova.jpg.exe

Quote from Intrepid :

broke the lap record on his first lap.

Surely he must be related to the North Korean leader Kim Jong-il to be able to pull a stunt like that.

This is the same issue as for track racing, we need a formation lap to heat the tyres. For drag racing it shouldn't be a full lap ofcourse - just drive to the starting line - heating the tyres on the way (no need for fancy stuff).
Maybe warp cars to the proper starting position just before the start if they have not managed to get exacly there.

I got a wild idea and made me a drift car.
Recipe:
1 pcs LX6
110 kg iron at the front axle
some Nm extra spring at the front
damper tune to tase

Result:
I like it, the extra weight balances the ketchup effect, it still got lots of power (300bhp/ton) and a easy to handle 56,8%F weight distribution.
There is however some (read alot) of mid speed understeer (probably due to my crappy setup skill) but read my sig on that matter.

(This weight penalty system is quite a powerful mod tool if you are willing to drive a slower car)

You can try it, you 64.2%F in the XFG if you apply full frontal weight penalty. (its very slow with 190kg extra though)

About the fwd oversteer, please post a setup and a description on how to reproduce.

Missing option: D-Motor - technically superior german precision, and a racing angle (competetive racing, not what motor journalists think is racing) Only thing I don't like is Karsten, but his section is easy to skip. Sadly I don't understand german.

Top Gear is not an objective consumer testing show, they replaced all that with humor and powerslides, stupid jokes and more "POWER!" and alot of eye and earcandy. This is one of the funniest show I've seen, and I love it.

Fifth Gear - Still has some attempts at objective testing, but their "comic relif" parts are way too silly.

If I was going to buy a 40k-120k car I would listen way more to a D-Motor review more than the brits.

OT: VHB is cute and has a smile that could sell me an expensive rust bucket car, however I think she has to walk through some doors sideways.

KAR 120C

It looks realy good on the LX cars “I know every nut and bolt and cog--I built it with my own hands!”.
Becuase The Prisoner is the greatest tv series ever made.

Be seeing you...

The possibility to start on worn tyres would be a variant (not as hardcore as nKpro where you have to manually change tyres between sessions to remove flat spots though)

There is no substitute for proper ergonomics!

You need to be able to change the height of the chair so your thigh gets support from both the chair and the lower leg. The chair also need to support the full thigh all the way to the knee.
The back needs to have a good curve and angle for the workload, so you can lean forward some when writing(pen paper type), lean back when watching youtube and somewhere in the middle for normal computer work - and support the lower back (about opposite side of the belly button) all the time.
Wheels are good so you can vary the distance to the desk slightly.

You also need to have the screen at the right height so you dont have to look up at it but not have to look down so much that you have to support the weight of your head with the neck muscles, you should balance it effortlessly on top of the neck.
Being able to vary the desk height is not required but nifty (I raised my desk using bits of 2x4" lumber)

My chair costs over eur700 new (I bought it slightly used for eur200, which I consider a bargain) but ofcourse it depends on how much time you plan to spend in the chair. Mine is certified to be confortable for 8h, but I realy need a walk after 10h. If you are fit and young you can compensate for a uncomfortable chair (as long as you sit correctly) preferably by taking short breaks and constantly varying your stature.

I know it sounds outrageous but If this chair breaks I would probably not go cheaper than eur200 I would possibly just cry alot and cough up the full eur700 or whatever it costs to replace it. It has survived several of my computers, and probably a few more.

IKEA has som great chairs and some horrible ones (decent chairs eur100 and up)

To your specific problem, maybe you should use a bigger font in your browser so you can see properly? Or use the zoom in the Opera browser (I use that all the time) to get all pages readable from a distance. (I got over a meter between the screen and my nose, that's probably too far)

No, there has never been any LX cars in demo.

Best Overall Diver: Mattias Ekström (DTM & RoC)
The future is bright: Marcus Ericsson (FBMW UK)
Most Promising: Alx Danielsson (WSBR 06)

Oh, you mean non Swedish drivers.... hmmm...
Rookie of the year: Hamilton (Kovalainen & Vettel gets honorable mention)
Team of the year: 888 Lowndes & Wincup (Bathurst, Sandown and a podium for both in the series)

I wan't Scavier to make tweak obsolete by putting it into the game.
When you tweak a car it get a homoglated new name based on power to weight (or power to weight to tyre size or whatever) TW0 to TW9.
You can play online all you like with likeminded idividuals, trying to see who can build the best drag car in the TW3 class or whatever.

Cars could be tweaked using a free form ui (almost full control like tweak has) or a separate setup page with sane limitations.

This would obviously not be a Demo feateure (more likely to require a S3 license)

+1 In RL they can throw on some worn tyres to check the handling on the car in "end of the race conditions", this would be a cheap way to get the same goal.

Obviously I should have thought about this earlier... since you are a finn you have a sauna, put the owen in the preheated sauna, put the (soon to be delicious) karelian pies in the owen, get some wet birch twigs and place yourself in the sauna outside the owen and wait.

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

anyone else having problems gettin on the website, i was going to watch a video when i froze, other websites are working fine can't even get onto the homepage now! ffs

I think you should reboot, clear all your browser settings (cache, cookies etc), try another browser, reinstall flash, reinstall browser(unless ie), use another browser. In that order.

Quote from ajp71 :

I did walk out of the cinema once when the stopped the film half way through to sell ice creams.

Those were the days, the mini cinemas that only had one projector so they had to switch reels halftime (and sell candy/icecream in the pause)

I stopped going to cinema, last time a girl answered the phone (luckily for both of us she wasn't within reach) they spoiled all the suprice plot twists in a movie I was about to see later in a trailer, some kid kicked the seat row infront of him loudly whenever the movie was too boring, and I couldnt pay with card.

I play everything in winamp, there is even a HVSC playlist plugin where you can skip the sound effects tracks and cut looping endings.

The global hotkeys works while in lfs too.

You are sure it is a one phase oven? Becuse a three phase oven could be very dull but functional if one phase is out. (usually noticable becuase one third of the house has no electricity)

Ofcourse there should be an indicator, road cars have two, one shows temperature and the other warns of low oil pressure. These two does not show all kinds of damage (before its too late) though. (But there are alot of low hanging fruit to pick before refining the engine physics.)

The clutch in Y behaves very similar to the clutch on my car (*), If I abuse it it starts to slip, there are some differences though. The lfs clutch is like a cutoff based on clutch heat, where my clutch transfers alot less torque when it starts to slip. The clutch on the formula I drove was very digital and I stalled a few embarressing times until I stopped trying to slip it and instead modulated it on/off a few times to get the car to speed while keeping the engine running.

The current clutch is not perfect, but Its alot better than before and that is what matters (and the way LFS has progressed since the first version ever). I think its good enough for Scavens effort be focussed on other parts for many patches to come.

*The clutch was worn out on the car when I bought it and I though I would have to change it, but it has not gone worse over time and it only starts to act up if I do a lot of tyres queeling standing starts or when I try the brilliant idea of removing rust on the rear break rotors by breaking hard for a few kilometers (the idea was that the front would fade and the rear rust would diapear, all I got was alot of smell and a car not responding very well to rpm changes)

Quote from Lateralus :

Do you even know what that word means? Videos of a TV program are not warez.

Let the forum admins do their job. If they have an issue with it, it will be dealt with appropriately.

You seams to be savvy in IP law terminology, I must have misunderstood the copytight notice in the end of the show, Is a movie recorded from TV also free to download in your view?

I don't call the cops on minor misunderstandings, I try to reason.

I would surely like a formation lap to heat the tyres. But its way long back in the list of things I want Scavier put time and effort into (Like a few generations of AI patches and the physics)