i always liked to make my own setups from scratch (i have enough knowledge to do it) and i learned more and more i did setups...til now i made something like an average of 300 setups for each car, changing testing adapting to my mood of the day etc. i always found it a lot of fun and rewarding: my skills improved much more as long i made the car behave as my style/mood would require, i rarely like wr setups, so make my own helped my drive a lot, also i find very satisfing when a share my setup and see the guy improving...2 days ago i gave my fox setup at blackwood at one guy that couldn't brake the 1.11 barrier...well, after 5 laps he almost broke the 1.09 barrier.

making setups is not easy, i know, but is a lot of fun and on the long run it improves your driving skills too...so i suggest everyone to try it once in a while...

EDIT: i usually find that blackwood and fern bay green are two good tracks to make good base setups, after you have a good base for your driving style is much easier to adapt to tracks which require some adjustements

no one said nos is not dangerous if not used as it should be (very little) and no one said that lfs should imitate nfsu.

yep, you're right!
this is quite complete description...

let's just say that we are not paid by graphic card maufacturers to justify their expensive cards...

Quote from george_tsiros :

I know math PHds who insist that an integral is a limit. school has nothing to do with knowledge.

maybe because integral is defined as a limit...

tristan, i know i'm gonna give you a shock...you are not the only one who talked about nos vs IQ...

btw you are asuming that people who use nos are thos you just described, did you have any stats to prove it?

Quote from Becky Rose :

Nah if the data needed to be portable I would use SQL, XML is for geeks who love XML - it's the script equivellent of Linux. Unfortunately neither SQL or XML outputted data would be much use without the pages to go with it, so I figured i'd skip a step and go straight to that.

Ultimately i'm created what I need for myself, and just passing on the fruits of that work to you guys and just adding the quick and easy things you guys want, XML/SQL data output would not be quick and easy to add unfortunately.

i think you have some confusion about what sql or xml are. depending of the purpose you need to store data, you may need one or another: if you need to store plenty of relational data, you may need a database (not sql, sql is a query language, it is not a thing that can contain data) you have plaenty of solutions and the simplest and smallest is sqlite (file based), otherwise if realationships are not so important and data have a table structure you may choose to save in csv format (comma separated values) which is very universal (i.e. excel will import it flawlessly); on the other hand if you have structured data (i.e. objects), the alternatives are xml or java properties file format, xml is not for geeks, it's quite simple and you can use http://xerces.apache.org/ which is a quite simple library to handle xml (xml in the contrary of sql is a file format and can store data).

my hint: don't go for personal solutions to rediscover the hot water, you can find almost everything you need, yet done by someone else...save your efforts

EDIT: almost forgot, windows have apis to hanlde ini files, but it's more suitable for config files.

Quote from filur :

I still doubt that the human brain / eye works in such a way that you would/could describe it as "frames per second".

no but, retina works like a low-pass filter and frames are the source digital signal, for those who knows the shannon theorem, this is similar...in few words: images persist on the retina for few moments, if another image comes before the previous image is "disappeared" from retina, then the eye sees them continuosly and more smoothly as much closer the two images come.
science says that human eye has its threshold at 50Hz (50 fps) but also says that this is not a crisp limit, the more fps you get the more stable and fluid you see, i'd say that above 100fps it becomes too unoticeable, but having 100fps makes it more smooth...that's the same reason why running crt monitors at 85Hz or above is good for eyes health...

ok, ok...but if you don't wanna gimme some nowzzz, please gimme at least sum cutie bodykits!!!!

just wanna say: guys take it easy! tryin to prove nos directly realte to IQ is just too funny... ...and too sad...

Quote from TagForce :

Funny how there's 5 pages of replies that are off-topic...

We've all been over this a million times already, and every time I lean more and more towards adding the option of Nitrous to LFS, simply because the ones that don't want it can't stop calling the people that do want it: stupid, idiots, ignorant, 12-y-o, morons, etc etc.

This thread was about an installer... Not about the Nitrous-Oxide Systems in cars.

exactly!

scawen has replay rewind as "already noted request" in his current patch thread, maybe that could possibly mean it will implemented soon maybe in this patch or the next...WARNING!!! this is my guess it is not anything really said by scawen!

Quote from MAGGOT :

Just because it could become a tactical tool doesn't mean it should be in LFS. Your argument, quite honestly, is pretty stupid imho. By your argument, all racing games should have N2O because all racing games have random either online or offline races. Regardless of the cars involved, they have a pickup and play characteristic. Just like real ricers! OMG!!111 Stupid argument.

i don't say every racing game must have it, i say: if lfs would have it as an option, it could be some fun for some kind of races, it will add variety just like the "uf1 soccer" or drifting...i've never drifted (i'm not good at it) but it's good to have it...that's all!

Quote :

I don't give a toss if you are just playing devil's advocate or not, it's such an assinign thought. Real racing series and race cars (Aside from the odd drag car in the odd crappy tuner drag series) do not use N2O. LFS is a circuit racing simulation. Not a free open circuit test day.

the reson why i choose to advocate the nos cause, is just because most people who are against it just act like the "i wanna noooozzz" people.
as i already said: i can live without nos...

Quote :

Here's another point to destroy your argument; LFS has live timing and scoring. Split times, lap times, etc are all recorded electronically. Random ricer races do not and can not have this.

mpf...yes and no

Quote :

[EDIT] One more thing; I've heard that many tracks that hold track-days mandate the un-installation of any Nitrous Oxide systems in a car before it is allowed onto the course, for safety reasons. There goes your argument again.

this is a serious good argument, i agree!
[kidding mode on]
...i may add...that thus...we must have nos only for "free mode south city"!!!!!
[kidding mode off]

Quote from Jakg :

i understand how it is used, but i jus have this image of me just about to pass someone as im just that bit faster than them, then they hit their "g0 fast y0" NOS button and fly away

try to imagine it realistically: you don't have illimited nos, you should tactically use it to get out the most of the characteristic of your car/setup and your style.
someone may prefer use more wings and use nos to compensate the reduced speed on straights, some others may save it for last laps...it adds strategy, because you have only a limited amount...

Quote from Memph1s :

In my opinion LFS is a RACING Simulator, and on a real race which lfs wants to simulate you will never find NOS, or have you ever see NOS in e.g.the FIA GT ? So WHY don't you understand that if u want NOS you should go and play NFS!

if you want fia gt races go play gtr lfs has nothing to do with fia

Quote from tristancliffe :

In real life it's not possible to go out with 20 random peeps and have some races whenever you like, you have to go at reserved times, called Races.

no you can go on tracks everyday when there are not scheduled regular championship races (it depends on the track, some allow, some other not) and to be more specific the track of Vallelunga was specifically opened by the local authorities on friday nights just for the ricers!!! ...you get that?

Quote :

P.S. I haven't insulted anyone. You haven't been one of the regular 'we need nawz' types, so you weren't intended to be in my 'stupid people' catagory. If you are a 'I want nawz' person, then you are now included in it, as it's generally the less evolved human beings that prefer it. If that's an insult or merely an admission of truth I'm not sure.

oh yes...you have insulted the baby wombat by calling him "brainless".
and btw also 'I want nawz' persons should deserve respect, calling them "stupid" doens't make nos stupid or irrealistic...

Quote from tristancliffe :

You mean fun races? I think lots of people would do the same in real life if the racing was a)free b)allowed c)safe. But it's not allowed in real life, but is in LFS, so your comparison means diddly squat. You can try and justify that LFS isn't real life (duh) all you like, but that means NOTHING in a discussion about whether to let stupid people have NOS or not.

in real life it's allowed to go on tracks, just to do some fun races, why you deny it? and if it was not possible, then lfs would be totally unrealistic, so nos would perfectly fit into it...

PS you are damn out of arguments if you need insults to enforce them...

Quote from tristancliffe :

My first use of multiquote
Real life only supports single races, non points, no leagues, no championships. Leagues and championships are setup by people. Exactly like LFS. But that has no bearing on the argument for/again Nitrous Oxide.

but lfs' online races on public servers don't belong to any league, so again it's like ricers races...

Quote from mcintyrej :

Jesus, why do people even want NOS? This is a Racing Simulation, if you can go out and find an organised, LEGAL race series, on a track, that permits the use of Nitrous Injection then let us know.

if you use such arguments, then nos must be added (according to your statement), because lfs is not simulating "organised legal race series" the game support only single races, non points, no leagues, no championship...leagues are artificially setup by some lfs players, so if we want to be correct at the moment lfs simulates races were people meet occasionally and do one or more races, just like ricers do!!!
there are plenty of arguments against nos...it's funny how you picked up just the one in favour of it...

Quote from Vain :

Devil: You also don't magically pop up in a car. And the engine doesn't magically start. And the ignition doesn't magically come on. And the car doesn't magically appear in the pits. And you don't magically own several race-cars.

Actually, this is a game, you know?

[Edit] Oh, nearly forgot it:


Vain

i agree!
hotlapping is a thing on its own and should start as it does now and maybe let us customize the starting temp of the tyres; qualify i agree that should behave as in real life, even thou i prefer the way it's now.

said that...please guys and gals (i include myself) don't use this thread to chat or discuss, this is the thread scawen uses to organize his work, it's easy to forget, but let's make an effort to remember...

a very nice movie indeed!

PS for those who haven't seen it, its title is "Office Space", watch it, you will enjoy it

Quote from herki :

don't buy french cars either, I don't know anybody (yet), who says their are good and reliable (especially the electrics). And I hate this soft wobbly suspensions of these

...oh, but their fuel consumption is very low......compared to my ferrari enzo... (<- in my dreams...)

Quote from Gentlefoot :

It's not stereotyping - its based on experience. I never shift without the clutch, I've had four Italian cars and the only one without 3rd gear syncro problems was an automatic!

as an italian as i am, let me say: don't buy italian car anymore! italian cars are pure crap everyone knows it (except ferrari, etc.)! italian car are also totally unsafe...if you drive one, you'll be scared at even low speeds...of course alfas are a bit better but for the cost you have to pay, it's a robbery!

if you don't look at the look, get a toyota or a mitsubishi, otherwise get a volkswagen/audi/bmw.

PS a hint: never drive a fiat on wet if you think your life is valuable...

Quote from Darkone55 :

Without sound I'm about half a second slower than normally, so it is a difference, but it's not that much.

same for me. sometimes i have to turn off the sound for some minutes...and it's bad...half second slower, a lot of mistakes -> sound gives important feedback about grip of tyres and engine noise, it would be very nice if devs caould make some small leds that represent which kind of tyre sound is played, that would be a very good thing for deaf people but also for those who have to play lfs without sound from time to time...

vrooom, maybe you can try to ask scawen to implement this in the forthcoming patch, it's a thing easy to implement, mabe you will be lucky...

Quote from Cue-Ball :

I would like to humbly suggest that any replacement curbs use wider sections of color. The very thin sections that the tracks use right now are too narrow and cause strange banding at all but the highest resolutions (like looking at a pinstripe suit on TV).

suggestion noted
also narrow bands are more rare...btw, before semptember i will be busy with some personal problems, so i'd rarely will be in the mood to do something...btw when the curb's time will come, the colors will be matter of very quick and easy tweaking, the hard part will be to make a realistic curb surface and also adding effects like old paint and tyre marks...
cheers

Quote from cloudstrife676 :

You reckon you could do an advertisment pack for blackwood using real life sponsors? Brands such as BF Goodrich, Advan and such?

yes i reckon, someone already made real adverts iirc and also i would like to give more priority to imo more importants things: curbs! after tarmac, curbs are the most important thing i think, but maybe i would do something "quick" between a tarmac and a curb
thanks for the suggestion anyway!

Quote from Smax :

Patch U physics make the Forumula V8 much more like a big Fox than the slightly schizo beast it was before. The BF1 is just too fast for my taste and its huuuuge brakes and TC make it too easy to keep on the track, even if you make a mistake. I far prefer the V8, although having just struggled like mad to drive it around FE Green Rev and discovered that I'm 3 seconds slower with a steering wheel than I used to be with a gamepad, I suspect I need to start driving it more often.

i was there too...fern bay green rev and fo8: what a blast! luckingly i made quickly a setup quite stable and shared with others so we could race without too much spins...it's a shame i missed to share it with you i thought i gave it to everyone (big thanks to Hyperactive for final huge improvements ).
fo8 is a raw beast, but i always managed to handle it (and i use mouse) it's all a matter of a stable setup, it's just that everyone go with inferno setup and mybe it's not the best thing to start a new combo with fo8 .

Quote from lalathegreat :

Its hard to play devil's Advocate on this forum. That part always seems to go over people's head. Last time i got called a redneck out of nowhere.

it's a hard job, but sometimes, someone...somewhere has to do it...
the important thing is always to be honest with our own opinions, the rest doesn't matter...