Quote from Kazu2799 :

LOLLLLLLLLL yep F1 is a joke.. im closing my tv now dont tell me that theres is no conspiration in F1

lets make up rules on the go so they can punish the McLarens~? WTF was that...

and drive through is not appeal-able... they could do whatever they can to fu*k things up and nothing can be done about it any more...

ok so the Ferrari International Assistence DID CAME UP WITH SOMETHING~! fu*k those bastards

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

He knew full well that he had to brake hard enough to risk locking up. By going wide he prevented Räikkönen's counter.

and incident like that was NEVER punished before... so lets see what will happen and what will the stewards come up with...

Quote from Timdpr :

Lewis at start and Lewis+Massa incedents under investigation.

lets see if they will manage to come up with a new rule saying something about "dividing down the inside, out braking yourself, push your competitor wide" will all of a sudden be punishable...

Quote from Hyperactive :

Nah, Masaa just didn't drive across the run-off areas like some others have habit of doing

Louis risking a lot with that driving style. By taking it easy he would still be ahead of Masaa. Go kimi though

so u think Massa is right and Lewis SHOULD HAVE TAKEN OUT KIMI AT SPA~?

Quote from duke_toaster :

That looks like page one from the Matt Neal playbook. Massa deserves a penalty, but don't hold your breath.

lets see what the stewards will do... I definitly don't have any faith in them doing anything about it through...

WTF was Lewis and the Ferraris doing...

Massa got bumped down to the 3rd row of the grid in the final mintue... yay~!
and Kimi back on form when it happened (at least for the Saturday), suddenly finding some speed and put it onto the front row~!

but well as usual we don't know their fuel load...

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

They made sure teams that have home events early in the season got their cars first, and they have introduced a new rule that allows teams to drop their worst result, which means the teams who didn't attend this race won't lose out, although in my opinion they will and they should have just run the race without scoring championship points.

I will have to catch the highlights of the actual race, I stayed up till 5am to watch the MotoGP and then slept through the A1GP race.

which basically mean France, Malaysia and NZ can afford to have an absoblutely horrible weekend, but GB can't because they weren't even given the chance to race....

but I guess suddenly changing the race to non-championship events would be a huge struggle with all the various contracts (especially sponsorship and advertising one) signed. as well as possibly people who purchased tickets demanding a refund.

so I'm just wondering how much did team GB got paid to get stuffed and said "it's fair, it's ok, as teams can drop their worst result anyway blah blah blah"...

ooh... and also on Ferrari typical's waiting list...
how do they decide which teams receive their cars and which teams doesn't~? I think 5 teams didn't get their cars because Ferrari couldn't built them on schedule...

they tried to remedy it by allowing each team to drop their worst race weekend, but that is still hardly fair is it~? (although the teams are trying to say it is for whatever reasons). Those that received their cars and have a pretty decent weekend this time round can afford to have a crap weekend elsewhere, where as those teams who somehow was unfortunately enough to not have their cars delivered won't have that luxury.

how much did the organisers paid those teams to shut them up... lol

Quote from Mackie The Staggie :

Sky are lying to me....they had the litle icon on the top right saying 'live'....either that or the hungover is really worse than I previously thought.

Sky isn't the only one...
I'm watching Star Sport in Asia and it also has "live" on the top right corner...

thank god I was keeping an eye on autosport (waiting for the WRC results) and accidentally came across a ".... won the Sprint Race" article.

Quote from Mackie The Staggie :

Started today in Zandvoort, a very wet Zandvoort. Cars a spinning of left and right at the moment and it seemed a reduced grid for the first race with only 17 nations making the race (even GBR missed the week).

Still the front 2 are currently putting on a good race.

the sprint race was probably finished a while ago as there were already a race report on Autosport...

don't know if anyone has seen this, but WTH was the rescue vehicle doing driving on the edge of the circuit (which was kinda the racing line) with the field charging towards it close behind...

Quote from Knight_Atack :

I agree. Which GP will get more people: Lost in the Bahrain deserts or in the city like Singapore (and Monaco, Melbourne and Montreal). These races are by far more entertaining, more fun to watch, and get more unplanned results. I just finished watching the entire race coverage for the Singapore GP and it was pretty good. The penalty-close-pit-lane thing is still shady, but Rosberg got himself out of it.

Ferrari has no one else to blame but themselves for the incident that happened in the pits. Without the error, they'd never would have talked about the race this way (maybe).

Singapore would be absoblutely boring if not for the safety car alongside the stuff up rule on pit closure, and Rosberg got himself out of it because of the inability of the FIA to punish something so obviously "against" the rules quickly... but I shouldn't complaint cos it worked out very nicely for Rosberg~

Luca di Montezemolo (however that is spelt) does have a point with the stuff he said, cos as usual, there are always two side to the coin~

but yes, he wouldn't be wanting to "talk about with the other teams in the next few weeks" if he's the boss of Renault...

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Hey guys. I just want to say that I'm sorry what I've done in the last few pages.
I've realized that this kind of childish behaviour is not welcome here.
I really don't like Hamilton, and it's horrible to read what his 'fans' say.
I promise that I won't flame him (and you) anymore, but I still remain a Ferrari fan deeply in myself.
I'll keep my negative opinions in myself. So sorry again.

at times it's even more horrible to read what u said...
some Hamilton fans might get a bit over the top with things, but u are just not any better for your hatred to him, and sometimes even worse...

but heck, Lewis got the 7 points lead which he should have had if not for that chicane incident in Spa...

Quote from pasibrzuch :

Maybe he crossed pit-enter line? But I heard that this line was removed. If so, no one will go to pits without penalty, when someone is behind him.

And probably whoever on track will go to pits, Lewis will shake his fist, and pitstoper will be penalised, without replay analysed...

Anyway, this pitstoping will be controversial.

In TV they said McLaren has better suspension construction to cut cerbs more stable, looking at 'loose control' moments of ferrari I can believe that

ps. Lots of wood marbles in the air at this bumpy track. What penalty is given for being over limit of wood destroyed?

they removed the lines so they can find reasons to penalise the McLarens tomorrow~?

Last edited by JCTK, Sun 28 Sep 2008, 03:35.

how hard is it to change something to the pit entry~?

just move the apex a car width to the right, and leave the inside as a special lane for cars entering to the pits only.

but in F1 they can never agree on anything so in the end nothing get done... =.="

wow Lewis was very lucky there... just P10 in Q2...
don't know how much those 2 Red Bulls cost him in his flying laps through. But all his laps in Q2 were rubbish.

the "night racing" part doesn't sound particularly special really. As Bourdais put it, the lights are so bright that it's basically just like a normal day time race. The only difference of cos is that the sky are black...

PS. I really hope they don't remove those very high looking brick style kerbs down at that turn 10 (?) chicane~! lol

Quote from Sandosxc :

I don't understand. Why is VW producing the Sirocco when it looks the same as the golf, and in essence is the same basic car as the golf? It just seems like a waste of time and money for VW.

a little bit OT...
but that car's basically same everything as the Golf, which means next to zero development cost on anything mechanical (well they did improve on a certain areas and added some extra bits somewhere, but u get the idea), design a new body, and that's basically the same car with a wider appeal. Those that didn't like the Golf might perhaps go for the Scirocco instead.

that's how car manufacturers do business these days...

changing topic a little bit.

so up to now still absoblutely no one are calling for a rule change of why should a drive through and a stop/go, if handed down after the race is finished, are both worth exactly 25seconds~? surely something should be done about this~?

Quote from tristancliffe :

Lewis would have been on the weighbridge with the inters. The wets would have been fitted, straight from the tyre blanket, just before he went out. Why didn't he warm his brakes up (e.g. like a green flag lap)? Why didn't he weave around to generate a little bit of tyre heat?

Lewis just lost all composure and presence of mind. He's shown many times now that his little brain can't cope with the pressure of qualifying, and he just goes to pieces.

then Heidfield and Kimi would have been much worse~? and Piquet should be thrown straight out of F1~?
and how many times did Lewis out qualified Heikki~?

Quote from Shotglass :

dunno probably the entire session so far
but for someone as notoriously hard on his tyres as hamilton a couple of laps should be plenty to warm them up

and then he glazed his brakes...

so to sum it up, everything that could go wrong went wrong, but that all started by the stupid ideas of trying inters in the first place...

Quote from Shotglass :

which happened to be exactly how many laps he had done when he started a hotlap right behind massa who managed to make the jump into the top 10 about a minute and a half later

how many laps has Massa put onto those tyres compare to Lewis~?

not to mention Massa has the benefits of the heat blankets when he left the pit, where as Lewis and McLaren were somehow thinking they would just go out on the tyres which got cold when it was on the weight bridge...

Quote from amp88 :

I've never liked him. From the very start he annoyed me because of two things. His attitude and his helmet. He's always been arrogant, he's becoming more so these days but he was even bad at the start. We all know Senna is his idol, but it really annoys me when people wear a helmet similar to Senna...face it people you'll never be Senna! Now his driving is becoming pretty damn dirty (weaving and squeezing people when it's not necessary) that doesn't help his cause. I admit he's a very good driver, some of his moves at the weekend were impressive (like the Kubica move into the Roggia), but the number of times he made dirty moves totally outweighed his good moves. I hope he gets penalised for his tactics if they continue.

yeah unfortunately he learnt a few tricks now, pushing the rules in which he wouldn't get punnished. All these pushing other drivers off the track always happened and hardly ever went punished. Just that we don't get to see it often because cars don't go side by side often when it's dry...

as for his yellow helmet, he always claimed his dad picked a yellow one so it would be very easily recognisable out on the kart track...

and I do agree he is saying all the wrong stuff lately.
he was at his best when he just came into F1, before all the pressure and politics get onto him.

Last edited by JCTK, Wed 17 Sep 2008, 06:27.

Quote from Mustafur :

like thats an excuse

Everyone goes through that randomly.

note the first part and the second part to my sentence.

Lewis stuff it by going on inters, which was his fault. Came back in to change tyres, and being called to the weight bridge which obviously took some time. BY THE TIME he can go back out on the track, it was already getting wetter and wetter AND he would need a lap or two at the very least to put some heat back into the tyres anyway.

Having said all that, if he didn't went for inters all those wouldn't happened but heck yeah he stuffed it up already, with the problems made worse by the random checks...