he should go to some Ferrari lovers forum, so they can share their totally bias view without being flamed.
no way to enforce it? the FIA just did.
The FIA doesn't operate a normal court system, they don't need to prove something that is ridiculously obviously breaking the spirit of the rules (but done in such a way that deliberately tried to not to contravene the wording of the rule).
My view on the incident:
Alonso got screwed up by Vettel on the run to T1 (without that Massa probably wouldn't have passed them), but that's all history now.
The 1-2 was still a hard-earned result for Ferrari, just that the order of the 1-2 should have been different (or they could simply tried to "accurately" stuff up Massa's pitstop). So it would be quite cruel to take it away from them. But well it's Ferrari that decided to breach the regulations in a pretty obvious way and then treat the rest of us non Ferrari fanboys as stupid idiots.
I suspect the WMC would dock them some points for the constructors standings. And they could still smack a heavy fine on them.
And well at least they actually have to pay this fine. Back in Austria 2002 they were hit with a fine that only need to be paid if they commit the same offence again in an year.
WHEN did McLaren did it?
if you were talking about 1997/1998, sorry, the rules for team orders didn't exist then.
Freakin Ferrari fanboys.
You did state that we were "Ferrari haters" and we were "crying".
How was that intelligent?
How were we "Ferrari haters" or "crying" when we were also saying the blatantly obvious that
a. team orders are banned
b. race fans does not like to see team orders affecting who won the GP.
so obviously you were blatantly blind that you didn't see (or hear) Ferrari basically asking Massa did he understood he need to let Alonso pass?
Or you were blatantly blind that you didn't know "team orders that affect the outcome of a race" was banned?
Stop saying we are all Ferrari haters and we are all crying just because you are an idiot.
yeah, there are NOTHING stopping FIA to say those radio communications basically constitute a team order, and then punishing Ferrari for it.
the stewards are having a chat with the Ferrari bosses now.... god knows what's gonna happen...
they always had a clear number 1 doesn't automatically make such actions legal does it.
It is in the regulations, they cheated it quite blatantly. Although they did stopped short of giving clear order to Massa to let Alonso through... But as you said, they made it very obvious, and it'll be upto the stewards and the FIA to decide whether that was legal...
What is this blind Ferrari lover idiot calling everyone else blind?
Ferrari should be disqualified from this year's Championship and be fined for 100m Euro for bringing the sport into disrepute (as well as obviously breaking the rules about team orders)!!!
Massa just let Alonso pass through...
"Fernando is faster than you, can you repeat that you understood that message"
how freaken blatant a team order could this be?
what the heck was that vibration on Jensen's car at 300km/h... lol
it's making me dizzy looking at the onboard, and it must be far worse for him? lol
it's making me dizzy looking at the onboard, and it must be far worse for him? lol
If everything went smoothly and according to plan (which havn't really happened since Bahrain), Ferrari should have the race pace to get an easy 1-2. RBR is always stronger than qualifying then in the race, so perhaps McLaren can give them a bit of a hard time in the race too, despite being quite far off in quali...
if what the report saying about Hartley is true, and if I'm McLaren, I would hire him immediately and stuck him in the simulator... lol
the live onboard at Silverstone also had some pretty bad sound lag.
The sound lag made it sounded like drivers were still on full throtle going into the final hairpin, only braking when they're nearly at the apex.
if it's Japanese sponsors behind the HRT drivers switching chaos. Then I believes their money would be much better spent at the other car that's pretty much nearly completely white.
Chandok have been busy doing the occasional commentating for ESPN Star Sports' coverage of F1 in Asia in the last couple of years. And when he wasn't commentating, he was usually around to provide a "race driver point of view" to the coverage. Which might help explain why he's friendly and honest to the media now that he's finally on the grid.
Gotta be Kobayashi, when he can survive the first lap (and his car/engine lasts), he's delivering pretty good results.
Just that he has had plenty of accident in the first lap of races through, some of it his fault, some of it pure bad luck.
Just that he has had plenty of accident in the first lap of races through, some of it his fault, some of it pure bad luck.
Alonso should have known he should have give the position back immediately.
But to made it worse for him, Kubica retired soon after. Race control couldn't tell Alonso to hand his position back if the other driver isn't on the track any more.
Just pretty bad timing and very bad luck with when Kubica retired and when the safety car came out.
But Ferrari will just openly cry very loudly, so everyone forgets they didn't bring Alonso in immediately.
RBR is no doubts in a very difficult position with their front wings. But still, why shouldn't Webber be angry?
I'm being objective.
Just read a few posts above to see my description of the Lewis vs Kimi one at Spa.
And well no point arguing was it correct or not really. What I was saying was Webber had every right to be angry.
At which point was I being a fanboy?
How are these points not objective? If you are going to reply to this, read carefully and think carefully please. And might as well stop being a wanker before you call someone else one.
oops simple misunderstanding.
But yeah it wasn't that tough on Ferrari for this race. It was blatantly obvious.
so a wing broke off on one car, and it is right to get it off another?
It was a rational decision to do it based on the standings, but it certainly wasn't fair.
Not to mention there weren't a big difference in the points. It is not like Webber is out of the title hunt.
shouldn't it be McLaren and Lewis that got the tough medicine?
The Alonso one was worse and even more blatent.
Kimi drove Lewis off the track at the chicane, Lewis passed Kimi by short cutting (because he had no other option), he gave the position back immediately, dive back down the inside at the end of the same straight, and still got done for gainning an advantage.
How could Alonso and Ferrari possibly expect a driver cutting the track to pass someone would come out not being penalised was beyond me. And the safety car timing serves them just right for their arrogance and whining and crying.
the team GIVING him the opportunity to fight? It's more like Webber is fighting for himself, just coincidentally a team need two drivers, and he's that number two driver with the fastest car in the field.
Vettel broke his front wing, so the team get the new wing off Webber to give it to Vettel. Webber has every right to be upset.
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