oh and Renault weather forecast was complete crap... lol
rain in 5min from like half an hour ago~? lol

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Hamilton 9.7 secs. That'll be enough till the end. f*ck...

he rejoined in around 8th now... go go pass another 8 cars (or wait till they pit)

Quote from J@tko :

Vettels still going pretty quick - Hamiltons not that much quicker.

one lap he caught 2sec, the next just 0.6sec... lol

Kimi is switching to a 2 stopper, a short middle stint~!

Lewis pit too, around 9.5sec of fuel should be good for 1 stop~?

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Just watch. He's 2nd now, and he's fast.

apparantly he's pitting in 3 laps (or 2 by the time I finished posting), that should be enuf to go for a one stop I think~?

and he should be right up Vettel ass by the time u see this... lol

Quote from DevilDare :

Hes 3rd

computer sorted itself out, Vettel in the lead with Hamilton just 3.xsec behind~

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Räikko might be on 1 stop strategy...

yeah must be, not for the first time too, on fuel anyway (he had a puncture and has to change the tyre on the year he tried a one stop)~
and I think Lewis should be on one stop too. lets hope I won't be proved wrong since he's just driving past everyone now...

Quote from DevilDare :

ooooohhh more stuff from FIA, Massa was told to give back the place to Rosberg, and Hamilton overtook Kubica the same way...... it was clean tho, he kept 2 wheels on the track.....

no no no, they can order the Ferrari to give back the position, but they will not to the McLarens, otherwise they can't penalise them....
joking only don't take this seriously~

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Well that happened in GP2 quite a lot, people just couldn't see each other, and he wouldn't expect Glock to be there. Hamilton and Glock had good battles in GP2, they both kept it clean and fair then so I don't think Hamilton did that on purpose. But that Mclaren is a demon on those curbs, it doesn't get unsettled at all.

yeah, the on board replay and the view from the outside looks completely different~! lol
the outside view it looks like it's bouncing around on the speed bump, and the on board was just sooooooo incredibly stable~!

Vettel pit, hopfully this 5min window is enough to warm his tyres.

and Lewis is absoblutely ON FIRE, and driving not particularly cleanly... lol

geez Lewis is pushing a lot of boundaries of rules... pushing Glock off the track (although I doubt he knew he was there, or I hope he doesn't), and he just keep bouncing the inside wheel on the speed bump at the second chicane...

Lewis inside wheels are on the speed bump at the chicane~! lol both left and right~! lol

Quote from rediske :

Great qualifying, go Basti go!!!

But I still hate Heiko Wasser... (german commentator)

not as worse as someone I forgot his name of we got here in Asia from ESPN...
he even thought the extreme wets were dry soft tyres because of that white strip~!

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

In the future we will have hydrogen powered F1 cars that constantly dump water out onto the track, that way we save the planet and have great racing at the same time.

they will have to dump a lot of water thru... lol
but we shall elect u as FIA president just for coming up with that idea~!

I want to see a Toro Rosso 1-2 tmr~!!!!! XD

Quote from samjh :

Who would have thought, eh?

Congrats to Vettel, Bourdais, and STR as a whole. A huge victory for them. Let's hope they both do well in the race!

I think McLaren is trying to do a dual-strat. Kovi in wet setup in case it pours tomorrow, and Hamilton in an inter/dry setup to follow the forecasted weather (light rain). Risky.

yeah and they're risking it on the car that is leading the championship at the moment...

I might as well lose that other 5 positions and start at the pit if I were him. Unless they're starting under the safety car.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

I thought Hamilton and McLaren would have learnt not to take stupid strategy risks when you don't have anything to gain from it, it would make sense for a car lower on the grid to risk it on different tyres, but not a front running car. I wonder if we will see a second win for Kovalainen (I learnt how to spell his name!) if it's wet tomorrow.

yeah and kinda serves Hamilton right for all the stuff he said over the past week since the penalty...

Toro Rosso 1 and 4th~! and I probably shouldn't have sold Webber for Massa in the dream team I'm running... lol

at least tomorrow should be a bloody exciting race~! IF Kimi and Lewis didn't get crashed into at the start...

Ferrari, McLaren and BMW all has 1 car out in Q2. And both Toro Rosso is in again~!

how could the big two stuff up weather strategy so badly, althu this ain't the first time this has happened...

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Now that's crazy Ferraris ain't fast either. Drama! However the conditions are worse than it was in Q1..

McLaren completely stuffing it up... don't know what on earth they were doing parking him in the pit at the early stages of Q2...

Quote from DevilDare :

what are Mclaren thinking with Hamilton...... !!!!

they parked him for a while in the pit for no apparant reasons...

rain is falling harder, and BOTH FERRARI AND LEWIS is in the drop out zone~!

OMG the Asian ESPN-Star Sports commentators CAN'T tell the difference between extreme wets and dry tyres... =.="
how could they possibly gone out on dry anyway... =.="""

Quote from Shotglass :

the sheer number of conspiracy theories surrounding this decision is testament that this is in many ways mclaren fanboyism and some very weird form of british patriotism
as to me im neither a ferrari nor a mcferrari fan and imho none of the 3 top drivers atm are anything worth becoming a fan of... theyre mostly a laugh thanks to the countless rookielike mistakes they do which youd rather expect in a kart race than in f1



thats not exactly the point though is it?



no but hopefully it will make them think a bit more about keeping the car between the white lines where it should be and any decision that helps stop the stupidity of driving anywhere but on track brought about by tarmac runoffs is a good decision

the conspiracy theory would never have arosed if the FIA hasn't made so many inconsistents and controversial decisions would it~?

I would like to call that as trying to close up the championship battle, but some will ultimately say it's favouring Ferrari cos after all, Ferrari has been at the beneficiary ends of it more often than not.

Remembered Hungary last year, how is teammate blocking each other in their own pits worth the whole points scored by the team in that weekend to be wipe off?

Remembered Monza 2006 in qualifying~? how come Alonso was docked down the grid because he was "blocking" Massa when Massa was no where close to his gearbox~? he was more like 2sec at least behind.

Remembered Hungary 2006~? Michael on the outside going into the chicane, De la Rosa going down the inside to try to pass him. De la Rosa actually made the corner but Michael just shoot straight on and didn't give the position back. Would that be fair racing?

Remembered 2006 when Renault was running the mass dampers~? it was ran in 2005 too but FIA suddenly decided it was all of a sudden illegal and ban it mid-season. So Renault all of a sudden lost their speed advantage and were suddenly slower than Ferrari so Michael could catch up the points deficit. They claimed the mass dampers was a "movable aerodynamics device" all of a sudden, but the whole car is a "movable aerodynamics device" anyway.

But then I of cos also remembered Monaco, where Michael was sent to the back. I also remembered that was due to the Spannish stewards who basically openly admit he was on the side of Alonso so I don't know how to put that one.

And I also remembered all the rules changes made post season to try to slow the Ferraris down during 2002 and 2004ish when they dominated. So that is why I said FIA tried to close up the championship battle, and Ferrari are often at the beneficiary side of it, because it's not like they've done anything mid-season to stuff the Ferraris up in 2002 and 2004 through.

The conspiracy theory arosed only because of the actions FIA has taken over the past. And there are far too many to list so I only listed the recent examples.

And last but not least, the above arguments didn't only came from McLaren fan or British people... But to quote Pat Symonds: "We have to believe that they [the FIA] are impartial, the sport would not exist if we didn't believe that." And I'm trying to agree to that view, otherwise I wouldn't be bothered watching. Although the evidence does occasionally tends to suggest otherwise. Either due to their inconsistency or either really due to the conspiracy theory...

But one thing I do agree with you, the top 3 drivers are making far too many errors this year.
But I wouldn't terms Lewis taking the escape road as a mistake.

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Quote from Shotglass :

because people like to complain and their infaillible hero got a penalty

no, that was because opinions are obviously divided on such non-black&white issues.

some think it's ok some think it's not, that has nothing to do with people like to complain just because we're not agreeing to u, and the stewards, point of view. (but then there will always be biased fans, be it biased towards Hamilton or Ferrari, and I ain't including these people XD)

Even Pat Symonds has came out and said he think the move was ok (and a whole lot more), article can be find on autosport.

but anyway Monza is on in a couple of days~!
and hopfully the decision taken by the stewards won't make drivers think twice (if that's possible when they're entering the braking zone at 350km/h ish) about whether they want to actually try passing people...

Quote from nihil :

I agree that a penalty of some kind was required, but I don't believe justice was done regarding the race outcome. These twenty odd pages are very interesting, a little obsessive, but ultimately of only scholastic interest.

The incident had no bearing on the final outcome of the race, since Kimi crashed out.

The official who made the decision had the choice of either giving a drive through penalty (which had to be converted to a 25 second penalty due the proximity of the chequered flag) or ten grid places in the next race. Its was a very hard decision to make, but IMHO choosing the former was an unfortunate misjudgement, skewing the race outcome in a rather absurd manner.


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I think that observation skills should be taught to everyone, regardless of transport choice. Its a simple thing, but transferable to all kinds of activities, and at school age, applicable to most aspects of the curriculum. In any case, I'm convinced that a populace who understood how to be aware would be able to slash accident rates dramatically.

but ultimately adding 25sec and dropping only 2 positions might probably hurt far less than a 10 place grid drop on the next race...

Quote from J.B. :

But who cares about Massa's opinion. He's the guy who said in Valencia that Sutil had no right to do 80 km/h in the fast lane of the pit lane because he was a backmarker.

and don't forget his blatant view of what is "blocking" in qualifying. Monza 2006 I believe it was...

Massa is doing a reasonable job on the track lately, but someone please tell Massa to just STFU.