Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

I hate ITV because they stole F1 from the BBC, ruined it with bad intro music and adverts, then hired a complete tool to commentate on it. I would like it if James Allen wasn't such an arse monkey, on Eurosport they cheer for British riders even if they are doing crap, but when they do it you know its because they actually like the guy and they are honest enough to say 'sod the leaders wheres our man!'

if u brits hate them so much... imagine us non-British who have to make do with ITV commentary...

and on the subject of Lewis Hamilton... this kids has been too protected for too many years, and it shows... qualifying at Hungary wasn't the first time that he didn't listen to the team's instruction, and check out how McLaren got completely screwed because of that and Alonso's unsporting revenge~

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Quote from TAYLOR-MANIA :

Am I the only one finding this race a tad boring?
It probably would've been better if Alonso had kept his pole, then we could've seen him and Lewis battle it out after the pit-lane issues yesterday.
No doubt both would've been trying hard to beat one another, especially if the only punishment they got was no constructors points.
But I wonder how many places Alonso will get back...and will Kimi catch Lewis, and overtake? That's the only interesting factors right now really.

ZZzzz.

this is Hungary and it ain't raining... so yeah it's very boring~

Quote from Leprekaun :

Frankly, I find it a ton of bullsh*t that Mclaren were declared innocent. I mean, FIA state that because Mclaren don't have a significant advantage over Ferrari and that its all "hunky dory" I mean :wtf2:. Mclaren now know the secrets of the 07 Ferrari and can search for the weak points in the car and then also copy things over to their own Mclaren car. FIA are idiots! simply, IDIOTS!!! :mad:

please keep in mind that it was only ONE individual inside the team that have ever seen those documents before u make that comment...

Quote from pb32000 :

I think the sheer number of cars piled up at Turn one warranted a red flag tbh, I was suprised it didnt come earlier.

Alonso for me, nice drive at the end, really came out of wherever he was dossing about all race to shine.

it wasn't really because of that expensive car park through~

the red flag was because it was simply too wet out there and the cars are nearly undrivable, with or without so many cars off at T1 they'd have to bring the red flag out anyway.

there're so much standing water the cars could've easily float on them.

Quote from mrbogeyman :

OK, I can steal £10000000.99 from the bank, but it's OK if I don't use it?

hmmmmm

I don't get the FIA's decision if they make statements like above.



If they were to say the above then their action would make sense, i.e. awaiting the verdict from the individual cases in the UK and Italy.

or how about someone somehow gave them £10000000.99 and they didn't used it~?

surely that person would've still be guilty of having that money, but surely it would also be very ok as long as they didn't use it, and give it back when the proper person demanded for it thru proper channel...

Massa looked very angry at the press conference~ lol

well... Massa tried to push Alonso off onto the grass when Alonso had already passed him cleanly on the outside and was already in front of him... and he's unhappy about that~?!

Quote from Don :

well, i read many times that S200 is the ingoing group of WRC. And i dont think they are made from "old wrc cars" - atleast i cant think of any. There is this Fiat punto, VW polo, some toyota, dacia logan, skoda also developing s2000 car....

I've also read that currently it's only intended to be competing against the Group N cars~

but I also have the feeling that it'll replace the WRC cars a few years down the track, getting rid of the turbo seems like a good way to slow things down a bit, as that's what FIA has always wanted...

well, obviously changing a speedo is always easier to change any physic stuff...
and without that minor speedo update, there will be more people like you who'd complain that there havn't been any update...

Quote from seinfeld :

no my opinion weather people car or not is my opinion, so what is your point to your statement exactly
its my own concept of where i think lfs is going, thats what the title of this thread is about

so you post your own opinion on a public forum and from the way you phrase your opinion, you either don't care what people's opinions are towards your opinion or you don't want them to comment on your opinion~?

to put it simply, this is not Microsoft, who rush out things to please people who loves new things, but most of which simply doesn't work~!

I don't mind the slow updates, it is still only a few months since the last update (ok, perhaps getting close to 10 months, I can't be bothered doing the counting), do people doesn't have any patience these days~?

Quote from VIP :

So if the car is so easy to drive as you are saying, tell me why people do not use it online. Give me a reason for this.

A F3000 car should be very popular in a racing game. It's not in LFS, so something might be wrong with it. The last patch made it easier to drive but not enough to make people change their minds, I suppose. I almost never see servers racing the FV8, and when I see it there are only two or three players.

In my opinion the risk of spinning when reaccelerating is exaggerated and unrealistic. I'm not a professional driver, and who am I to tell the developers how the game cars should behave, but I don't think we have something similar to what happens with F-3, GP2, F-Renault, F-Vauxhall, whatever cars. We don't see those guys spinning that much although they are inexperienced rookies driving low tech cars.

I repeat: Formula V8 is practically dead to online races. And it's a real shame. The car is fun for driving some slow laps in single mode but too difficult and "sensitive" for wheel to wheel battles online.

nothing is wrong with the F08, it's just brainless drivers putting the foot down too early in the corners, spun it, and then go label it as too hard to drive...illepall

you don't see those people spinning out because they, as professional racing drivers, know not to floor it when coming out of a slow corner...

Quote from mrodgers :

Here's a bit of a twist on this comment. I have the squashball mod done on my Momo pedals. Actually it's a cut-in-half raquetball. I too do a little tweaking on the brake setting. I'm now well into around 2500 Nm on my brakes (FZR) and thinking about going higher. Is this really strange? Does anyone else use really really high braking force? If I could find an actual squashball rather than the raquetball, I'm thinking it would be even stiffer and I could put them up above 3000 Nm. With the squashball mod, the brake pedal feels more like a pressure sensative pedal and I only use 25% of the deflection. At 2500 Nm, I'm finding it difficult to lock the brakes as it is quite difficult to push the pedal and get much movement. Feels fantastic, for $2.00.

the only problem is, I don't have pedals so I'm using buttons for the brakes~ that's why I need to decrease my braking pressure so I don't lock them up~

I usually uses Race S, perhaps make some small modification to the brakes so I won't lock them up too easily... and then play around with the downforce cos they can make a huge difference to your lap time...

but I do have a few other people's set up for a few cars, but most of the time I need to use Race S... and I certainly hate the idea of people asking me for set up when I'm only on Race S... lol

and~? what's your point~?

are you trying to say LFS should have such system too or what are you trying to say~?

Quote from SamH :

I love the BF1, but I do find that the biggest downside of it are the numpties. I never race on public servers in the BF1, but on the occasions when I get together with some other good BF1 drivers, it's fabulous. The skills required to drive the BF1 are largely the same as other cars, but the lack of some of those skills are catastrophic - slow reaction times and lack of spatial awareness will end a race early. Much earlier than in, say, a GTR race.

My personal recommendation is to rent a server, make it private, and invite in ONLY the people you KNOW are good on the BF1.

Exactly, I hate arriving into a very fast chicane at 100km/h faster than someone else who just started driving BF1, there's just no way you could avoid such person as you won't have a clue how fast they'll go in the corners, nor when they slam on the brakes...

talking about brakes, it only take someone in front of u to slam on the brakes a couple of metres before you expect him/her to brake to flip that person completely over... which made it even more interesting in T1 if u're in the middle of the pack, brake too early and u'll get flip over, brake too late and u'll flip another car...

Quote from glyphon :

for the question about how to hotspot without flat spotting.

easiest explaination...ever try doing a burnout? the wheels are spinning, and the slippage of the rubber over the pavement increases temperatures more than a rolling tire, and overheats the tires.

sliding, as in drifting, will also hotspot the tires without flatspotting them, unless it is an ebrake initiated drift, then there might be minimal flatspotting...but that is over complicating this

flatspotting is an uneven wear on tire tread from a locked tire sliding across the pavement, which shaves that spot of the tire flat, and causes the tire to not be round any longer.

hotspotting is basically an overheated tire. it can happen in a specific spot of the tire, or across the whole tire. what could cause it to happen in one spot and not another?

tire pressure for one. all things being equal, an over inflated tires will hotspot in the center because the tread surface has become convex and the edges of the tire have less contact with the pavement, which causes them to experience less friction, and heat less. the opposite is true for under inflated tires.

another setup issue that can cause hotspotting on a tire edge is camber. basically the same concept as tire inflation, but the camber affects the left/right tilt of the tire and can excessive camber can cause one of the tire edges to be lifted off the ground.

hotspotting typically accompanies flatspotting, but the reverse is not necessarily true...and if a flatspotted tire is allowed to cool, it will still be flatspotted but not hotspotted. so it is very much possible to have one without the other.

images exagerated to illustrate point.

I wouldn't call the situation u mentioned to be a "hotspot", but "overheating" the whole circumference of the tyres (either the whole, or just whichever side of the tyres)~ but I can see perhaps your definition of a hotspot is different from mine... u're refering to hotspotting a tyre equals to overheating the tyres, while I'm thinking that a hotspot would mean a particular spot on the tyres to be well... hot~

I'm usually already off the brakes when I turn in with the RAC, this isn't the fastest way to drive, but at least it won't slide all over the place and losing time in the process...

On the topic of blue flags, what do you guys think on the difference between an America blue flags system and those in Europe (namely F1, someone has pointed out what'll happened if a driver ignore blue flags).

I've came across a few people who claim that blue flags is only to indicate that a guy a lap ahead is coming up to lap you, but they seems to take the view that it's up to the guy behind to pass safely, and they'll stay on the racing line no matter what, even if you have managed to be completely alongside them down the straight or heading into the corners~! they'll just push you onto the grass as if you're not there.

I do agree that they don't have to let me pass, but when I'm already alongside them going down the straight (let alone in the corners), surely there should be no need to push me onto the grass~?

to all kiwis in here, should we try our luck contacting our ISP and see if the port LFS uses have been blocked~?
although I don't quite know if the port is the problem if we can access the OZ server, or perhaps they're on a different port~?

Quote from antman2006 :

I am also having same problems I can bearly play on any servers. Kind of sucks since I bought LFS to play online also with my new wheel but I can't stay in servers for 5 - 15min. The bars down the bottom left (Net graph?), one of them would rise untill it his top then I would get D/Cd. I would also get errors like "Can't get track info" etc and I would try again and i will be like "Can't get guest info" then I would try once more and I would get in for 15min or so. Really frustrating.

I hope someone cause sort out the problem as judging by this thread its a big one.

that's exactly the same problem that I'm having... if you can, try find some Australia and NZ server to join, because everything should be sweet if we join those servers. (actually bump into a few other players yesterday who said the same thing)

I wonder if that's because we got crap connection~? or something gone wrong with the system itself~?

I have the same problem too.
But everything was running extremely nicely when I join an Australia or NZ server, but I simply struggle to get onto any other server, and once I'm in, I'll be lucky to survive anything more than 3 laps~!