1. sorry. But I cannot see how on earth was Massa "pushed" into Webber.
2. Then why don't you think about the full picture? Kobayashi had no hope of making the apex in some of those situation, that's why he's alongside.
What didn't made Lewis completely alongside was because:
a. Lewis still tried to make the apex instead of risking his car and banging into the other driver to make his way through.
b. Massa was also going too fast, that's why he went into Webber. At no point did Lewis pushed him into Webber.
3. Yes, the driver behind has a big part of the responsibility, but does the driver in front has NO responsibility at all to avoid it? Massa and Maldonado didn't, and they crashed out as a result.
4. Drivers need to think about the whole picture. Maldonado might just as well lost his teams a few millions Euro with risking it on turning into Lewis. And those few millions would be very important to Williams.
And mind you, Button isn't the number 2, he knows it, the team knows it, Lewis knew it. Just that you didn't. Those two were able to battle it out at Turkey, and Button were able to retook the position after Lewis passed him. How would that had happened if Lewis has so much power of being the favoured driver in the team?
As I said a couple of times already. Lewis wasn't completely alongside Massa was because Massa himself didn't slow down as much as he should, that was why Massa himself went into the back of Webber.
Also interesting isn't it that Kobayashi had made contact with the other cars for some of his moves, and yet I don't remember seeing him serving a penalty for those. (Sutil in Monaco, and one of the Toro Rosso in Suzuka last year)
Collision that should've been avoided by smart thinking, how bloody smart was Massa and Maldonado turning in on someone that's already there?
Lewis wasn't completely alongside Button and Vettel as he pulled those moves off in China, luckily for Lewis, Button and Vettel were able to conduct some "smart thinking" to not turn in on him. Unfortunately Massa and Maldonado wasn't smart enough.
Lewis deserved the penalties, Massa and Maldonado deserved to be knocked out of the race. And shame on them for not getting some much needed points for their teams.
I simply don't buy what he said about being pushed into Webber.
May be I havn't watched the replay enough, or that I need better glasses, but to me Massa was desperately not letting Lewis through. So he turned in on him, didn't scrub off as much speed as he should while trying to not let Lewis get completely alongside him, which resulted in him running into the back of Webber.
To be fair, Lewis is an agreesive drivers, what he attempted to put on Massa and Maldonado wasn't much different to the passes he pulled on Button and Vettel in China. He wasn't alongside them in those scenario, but because they were obviously the smarter drivers, they realise there were no point in risking wrecking their race and gave Lewis room. Unfortunately to Lewis, Massa and Maldonado weren't exactly the brightest drivers out there. So his overtake didn't pull off and resulted in him being penalised.
And come to think of it, if Lewis turned in on Michael on the first lap in the hairpin, would Michael then get a penalty too?
7th but a full lap down.
Sutil was very lucky in the fact that his puncture didn't cost him anything thanks to the red flag. And what caused the red flag was because the cars immediately behind him, who was about to pass him anyway, crashed into the walls in the swimming pool chicanes.
And when did he repeated cheating and lying? My memories are fading so please illustrate some example.
As for rule bending, this is what F1 is all about isn't it?
For the Massa incident, of cos he wasn't completely inside because Massa was trying so desperately to defend he ran into the back of Webber. If he didn't do that he would had to be slower, and thus Lewis would've been completely inside him.
what the frig could he had done to concede?
As soon as he's commited for trying to pass down the inside, he wouldn't exactly be braking not hard enough so he could brake harder to concede.
Eyesight, it looks like it's PM that's lacking that.
Brain, I wouldn't say either was at fault, just a racing incident. But PM should have and could have conceeded the corner. As soon as he turned in on Lewis an accident was always going to happen. And I guess losing 2 points for losing a position from 6th to 7th is much better than losing 7th place which is worth a much needed 6 points for Williams?
After looked at a replay of the Lewis - Massa contact, Massa was such an ass trying to defend that corner. He turned in early deliberately, and to avoid Lewis going completely alongside him he didn't braked as hard as he should've been, so he actually ran into the back of Webber!
If Lewis had caused an avoidable collision, then Massa was surely worse! He ran into 2 cars to try to stop a pass from happening!
PS. I have said some pretty harsh things on the Toro Rosso drivers, and having looked at replays and calm down a bit 2 days after the race I realised it was too harsh.
If Lewis and Petrov can both slow down and anticipate what is happening in front of them? Why should the Toro Rosso just drove into the back of them? Clearly lifting off or braking wasn't impossible in such circumstances?
Mind you, Petrov was the car behind Jaime. Jaime chose to ram into the back of Lewis, why didn't Petrov ram into the back of Jaime but instead got punted into the wall by Buemi? Because he saw what was happening in front of him, that don't require any mind reading, just some simple brain power and thinking ability?
and he was punted off there by Buemi. Those 2 Toro Rosso drivers should be banned from any open wheel series!!!!!!!!
well done to the Toro Rosso that produced this massive crash. It looks like they cant clear this up before the end of the race.
Both Toro Rosso should be banned from the sport~! They have caused too many colisions!!
FFS Jaime ran over the back of Lewis, then Buemi punt Petrov into the wall all in the same incident? Are they both blind or are they bloody brainless idiots?
Both Toro Rosso should be banned from the sport~! They have caused too many colisions!!
FFS Jaime ran over the back of Lewis, then Buemi punt Petrov into the wall all in the same incident? Are they both blind or are they bloody brainless idiots?
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On both scenario they should penalise the guy on the outside who blatantly turned in when there's another car on the inside already.
If Lewis turn in on Michael on the first lap with the same scenario, then Michael should be penalised too shouldn't he?
It simply shows why it was never a good idea to only come out near the end of the session in qualifying, especially in Monaco.
Also imagin if his Q2 wasn't wrecked by the Force India on the hard tyres... But well one make their own luck.
Without that puncture perhaps he would have been right up the Merc's bottoms, or even finish ahead of them.
And on the topic of Merc, if Schumacher let Rosberg through easily, Rosberg might be able to give Alonso a really hard time! But hindsight is a wonderful thing, and I don't expect Michael to give away position easily, especially to his teammate.
Also on the topic of Red Bulls screwing Webber's strategy, that also screwed Alonso's up as well.
Doesn't the rearwing opening/closing electronic came from the FIA?
It's whatever electronic component from that for whatever reasons allowed the rear wing to be opened at a place it shouldn't have been on Alonso's car.
Where as the Sauber disqualification was for something completely different.
Another interesting thing from the race.
McLaren's strategy was usually pretty good, as long as it sticks to their plan...
They certainly never planned a Renault jumping from 6th to 2nd in the first corner, and on hindsight they most probably should have switched to a 4 stopper since Lewis had to pit early on the first stint to jump the Renault.
McLaren's strategy was usually pretty good, as long as it sticks to their plan...
They certainly never planned a Renault jumping from 6th to 2nd in the first corner, and on hindsight they most probably should have switched to a 4 stopper since Lewis had to pit early on the first stint to jump the Renault.
Although I do think the FIA ain't totally unbiased, but Lewis DID swerve more than once. Although the swerve was VERY SUBTLE, especially on a track so ridiculously wide, it was still hard fact that he swerve more than once.
Interesting how easy he made it for Heidfield to pass through.
Interesting how easy he made it for Heidfield to pass through.
Martin Brundle's comment after the race:
Alonso said this race was all about damage limitation, but what he was doing was damage creation.
I believe Webber would be 4 stopping...
But I can't understand at all the strategy of McLaren. Can their prime last 20 laps? Their third pitstop could have been a few laps later as their pace was still good?
But I can't understand at all the strategy of McLaren. Can their prime last 20 laps? Their third pitstop could have been a few laps later as their pace was still good?
that is so sad... :'(
but then an infringement is an infringement, and there are no other penalties other than disqualification...
lesson from the race: never ever underestimate Peter's Sauber ability to spot talent! Perez did so much more than a lot of people first thought he could, which was mainly to bring some logos onto a blank sprankling white car!
Because FIA and FOM is two different things.
Bernie can't do sh!t about the rules being make by the FIA.
FIA can't do much about where Bernie is bringing the sport to. <-- but the FIA do need to approve the calendar, and the safety inspection for the tracks.
The sky have dump down buckets-load of rain, which would hopfully means today would be dry!
Can't wait to see the footage!
how dare they cut the first safety car period out!!!
The first pitstop behind the safety car was well, where the funniest actions were!!!!!!
well, obviously at least they must still had a version that could last them one race.
looks like your definition of what is racing is different from everyone else...
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