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JCTK
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another thought came to me just now.

Can Kobayashi pit on the very last lap (if his pitbox is before the finish line) for the option tyres?
JCTK
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Quote from Bee :Webber's crash felt like an LFS crash.

Oh, and loving the what, 8 drivers, being investigated after the race, the result won't be sorted till Tuesday at the earliest.

I believe if they're saying investigating after the race at this point, it couldn't be a time penalty?

it'll be either a "warning", or 5/10 places grid drop in the next race.
JCTK
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Wtf half the field to be investigated after the race???
JCTK
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Quote from DevilDare :Cry more. And make sure to read over my post couple more times.

Nothing lost to Mclaren/Hamilton. Sure they are behind Vettel now, but still. Hamilton is still 2nd.

Blind.

"Meeeeeh. I was fair and lost!!! Meeeeeh"

Hehe.

if Lewis didn't brake but legally stomp on the throtle and pass the safety car instead, Alonso probably would be able to do the same.

But well, now Lewis finally get one back on Alonso and screwed him nicely.

On another note: when the cars are coming through the start/finish straight under SC condition, there is a red light at the end of the pitlane and all cars should stop. Shouldn't the same apply to the safety car when it's trying to exit the pitlane? It could have been very dangerous...
JCTK
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Quote from zeugnimod :

That penalty isn't disputable at all.

HAM should have just stayed on the throttle and he would have passed the SC way before the line.

yeah, McLaren must have yelled on the radio pass the @#$@# safety car Lewis when they saw Lewis slaming on the brakes for it. But by then it was too late.

but well, he would have been MUCH WORSE if he didn't pass the safety car.

on hindsight, Alonso must be thinking he should've done the same....
JCTK
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Quote from zeugnimod :I saw Hamilton go into T1 overconfident, brake too late and touch Vettel because there was no room left for him.

because Vettel try turning in on him as if he isn't there.

Lewis had the braking and the grip to get out of it when Vettel squeeced him, how was that overconfident?
JCTK
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Quote from CSF :No way he made his one move to make it obvious that he was letting him go and Webber kept trying to slipstream into a braking zone. Utterly moronic.

Don't forget these cars are travelling at over 300km/h at point of impact, the drivers wouldn't get much time to think. Webber was thinking of moving to the left to brake round the outside of him, but just as he started doing it Heikki jerk to the left.

but Webber (again) havn't thought better of how early Heikki would need to brake, but it surely does seems to be VERY early. And Heikki certainly didn't say he's letting Webber go, he said on the radio he was racing Webber...
JCTK
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Quote from zeugnimod :LOL what?

I didn't see him do anything wrong.

I think Vettel at the start was a dirty and very desperate for defending a position.

But that wasn't illegal and it worked.

PS. nearly same thing happened at the restart, ran wide, and turn back into the corner as if no cars were there, which also worked because Lewis chickened out and couldn't get into his draft.
JCTK
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Quote from CSF :The BBC team can be bloody pig headed when they want to be. They heard Merc telling Schumacher he had no power steering, but use him only just getting through, and being 0.25 behind Rosberg as a basis to criticize again...

after what Michael did to Daimon Hill, I wouldn't blame the British to be harsh on Michael ever after...
JCTK
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Quote from bunder9999 :another forum i frequent provides an alternate theory on the topic of USF1...



i wonder how much of that is true. and if that is the case, the team should be fully banned from motorsports.

yeah banning the team would be useful isn't it. They'll just close it and start another.

If it is really a scam, they would need to ban the senior personnel in the team. But that wouldn't happen, I guess Peter Windsor have a decent enough relationship with the FIA...

and beside, they did spent a shitload of money already, what with the entry fee, getting a factory, employing some people, these all costs money. Just that they didn't get enough money so they couldn't spend enough money to get things properly sorted...
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JCTK
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Quote from tinvek :apparently ferrari are the first team to get a version of the red bulls exhaust onto their car, whihc is supposed to be worth 0.5 secs a lap. basically all red bull had done is ressurect the "blown" diffuser from the 80s so people are now copying it. mclaren are planning to introduce it at silverstone. naturally at least one team will find it doesn't work as planned.

what will be interesting is which type of car is the most efficient at utilising it, it may be that the red bull's compramises forced on it by the low suspension and emphasis on upperbody downforce limit how much it gets out of the idea and the other teams are able to gain more. of course it may turn out that the red bull gets the maximum out of it already, and the other teams won't be able to achieve any better results with their layout

Merc and someone else will also have it at Valencia.

I think the Ferrari one will work out as planned, heck, they've done plenty of mileage at a "filming day" already anyway.
JCTK
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Quote from NotAnIllusion :Hehe, the irony of monetary fines for a business that didn't make it due to lack of funding..

I think FIA did it purely for procedual reasons. I think they fully expected the effect of their penalties are nil anyway.

a). the fines won't be paid, FIA can sue the hell out of them but it just won't happen.

b). they only disqualified "US F1", not its senior personnel, so next time Peter Windsor and co start again, it'll be called USA F1 or something.
JCTK
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Quote from DevilDare :How is that not "testing"?

because it's a "filming day".
Funny that there are probably more cameras outside the gates trying to get a shot at it, than the number of cameras Ferrari actually arranged at the track.
JCTK
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Quote from lizardfolk :Milka Duno needs to GTFO NOW. Did anyone see her almost take out Will Power on like lap 21? She was also lapped AGAIN just 10 laps later. She is not just slow, but dangerous as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC4YAs2QqSs#t=2m59s

That was absolutely ridiculous. Both Power and Andretti did a fantastic job to avoid her.

a badly prepared, badly setup car driven by a crap driver. Life couldn't get much tougher than that. But that was ridiculously slow and dangerous.

But since she's a female, it would be easier for her to find sponsors, so we might get to see her for a few more years yet.
JCTK
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Quote from samjh :I think that the teams are required to use demo tyres for promo videos, or at least non-GP tyres. So it wouldn't help them much.

Autosport now reveals that Ferrari is saying it's a shakedown during a special 'filming' day.

But yeah I remember reading somewhere for promo videos, they have to use GP2 spec tyres or something different from F1 spec. And for shakedown, they can't do more than 50km with the car?
JCTK
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There are a few things they could do to test a car, and I think there are voluntary code of conducts for these events. (The testing ban was just a voluntary ban adopted by all the teams?)

Basically they could do a shake down, they can claim they're filming a promotional video, and they can do some straight line tests.

So there were nothing busted. lol
JCTK
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Quote from Mustafur :Bridgestone is going to make softer compounds for the following races as it was shown After probably the best dry grand prix seen in 10 years that high tyre degregation = Entertaining GP.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84544

done at the right time too as Valencia needs some challenge and considering its quite green as well we could see similar conditions happening as long as the tyres are soft enough.

didn't it also said in the article that the super soft compound for the super soft tyres won't be ready for Valencia?
JCTK
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Quote from Mustafur :Badoer is the worst driver to race in f1 ever, even Ide and yoong make him look crap.

how about Fisi?

he was fighting for win at Spa one weekend in a Force India, and was struggling and qualified pretty much last the next weekend in a Ferrari.
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Quote from Intrepid :The thing is that McLaren for the 2009 season built a car to the new aero and tyre regulations that when it hit the track in winter testing Lotus/Virgin would probably be competitive against. SO I think the new teams have done a great job. Also every front running team has to deal with backmarkers... Alonso just did a bad job of overtaking them.

It was more of bad luck.

The first one with Buemi, they were racing for position. So Ferrari should just shut up about this one. But Alonso did put himself in a very nice position to be overtaken by Lewis there.

The second one with Chandok, ideally he should have given way before entering the corner, but he didn't, and he nicely followed DC's advice of not going out onto the marbles to let Alonso pass. And Alonso wouldn't dare going out of the racing line himself because he crashed at exactly the same place a couple of years ago.

Bad luck for Alonso, great opportunistic moves by the McLaren drivers.
JCTK
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Quote from JPeace :Looked to me as if he got pissed off with him and just repetitavely rammed into the side of him, imo a great drive from Luizzi to save his career.

on hindsight, what Liuzzi should have done was:
Go dead straight when Massa made his first chop to him going into the braking point for T1. Spinning him nicely, and then that'd hopfully take out a couple of whichever of the McLaren/Red Bull/Ferrari that was unlucky. Hence giving Sutil a easier run to more points.
JCTK
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Quote from BreadC :also alonso slowed right down too...

he was on buttons ass then ended like 10 sec back

The top three were cruising to the finish, and the last thing they'd want to do is to cruise home while right up someone ass, wouldn't do their engine temp any good.

Or perhaps he needed to nurse the tyres more than the McLaren, or he needed to save fuel to get to the finish. Or he just plainly gave up.
JCTK
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Quote from Cornys :WTF? F1 is supposed to be the most technicaly advanced form of motorsport in the world, and they can't handle a little bit of banking? WTF?

Look like Martinsville and Bristol are out of the equasion (to those who posted those)

I guess my Daytona Road Course idea is out of the equasion too

nah he was just talking rubbish. Aussie always do.

What he was referring to was the high speed blow outs the Michelin tyres were suffering a few years ago, which forced all Michelin cars to pull into the pits and retire without even starting the race. And that only happened because the oval part of the track have been resurfaced, and the track surface was much more abbrassive on the tyres than Michelin estimated.

It wasn't a problem for Bridgestone because they got data from the Indy 500 (they supply tyres to the IRL).

But 24 F1 cars going round Bristol for 400 laps would be brilliant!!
JCTK
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Quote from mr grady :love the way that "notanillusion" keeps kissing schumachers ass.

a certain ex gp driver who has been his team mate discribed his actions in a very bad light.enough for me.

he is the monty python black knight of F1......"none shall pass"

his ego is such that its almost like "how dare these pups attempt to take me...dont they know who i am?"

good to see his younger less experienced team mate is showing him the way in equal equipment.

I wouldn't expect anything less from Michael Schumacher in terms of race craft and agressiveless on track.

It was good that most people he was battling with was having none of it. It was also brilliant that the Force India managed to shove him out of the points on the last lap. (as well as the red Ferrari that ruined a FI at T1 got shoved out of the point by Michael)
JCTK
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Quote from tristancliffe :Schumi was ahead and had the right to move to block the overtake. Kubica could have got out of it, as Schumi blocked in time, but instead he tried to keep his foot in and stay alongside on the grass.

Since when should modern F1 be fair? They're paid millions in exotic machinery to score championship points for their team within a specific (albeit sometimes quite grey) set of rules. Schumi stayed within them in both the Massa and Kubica incident in my eyes.

if I was Kubica I would keep all four wheels on the black stuff, and if Michael continue to move over I'll spin him off rather nicely. But then I'm too crap to be a F1 driver, and if Kubica really did that he'd be worse off himself too.

Would have been interesting if Kubica didn't went wide and short cut the chicane there. Michael was agreesive on the turn in, he deliberately turned in early and screw Kubica up there. But that is Michael Schumacher, he races hard, smartly, and agressively.

The one with Massa, the FIA declared it as a non-event anyway. And I agree that Massa didn't need to stick a nose there, it was never going to work to out brake someone from behind on the outside into that chicane. And Michael have the right to expect on that particular braking point, it would be ok to move across a bit to get a better line through the chicane.

But the turn one chaos was definitly caused by Massa, three into two in turn one would never work, but he shoved Liuzzi to the inside, and then tried to stick one up the inside of Button when Liuzzi was still there.
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JCTK
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Quote from AstroBoy :What was the deal at the end with the red bulls finishing so far behind? Like that gap was 10 seconds or so on the last lap. Then by the end of the lap its like 25 seconds or something anyone know what happened?

Don't know about Webber. But in a post race interview, Vettel was talking about some gearbox problem.
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