No no, I'm against all that "We said "duck"" stuff and all that. I know this may seem like an indirect insult to you Daj but I don't respect those who do that kind of thing. Thats not what I meant by showing disrespect. I mean, I'm still pondering whether that time I drove with a black car, all black, nothing put on it (perhaps the original league skin appeared slightly but you'd have to stare at the car for a while to see the detail) showed disrespect or showed respect. I understand the side of it where it shows that you're thinking of them but like I said, theres the other side where sim racing is ridiculous compared to some of the great events that can happen in real life.

@Widdow: it has nothing to do with religion . Its just my personal thoughts on the matter

That is F106. If you look at the helmet there, you'll notice that the top of it is Raikkonen's old Mclaren helmet. I also recognise the HUD. Theres a small competition that Mobil 1 are running over here where they have that same game. Shite game really , no realism at all but hey, I'm in it for the prize!

Last edited by Leprekaun, Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:40.

Hi all! something which I've been thinking about for a long time is that, do tribute skins show respect or do they ridicule the importance of a person?. I have, in the past, raced in a league in which my cousin's son had died the same day of the race where I drove a black car to show respect. After doing the race, I felt that perhaps attempting to show respect only showed disrespect to others. Reason why I think it shows disrespect because I try and look at it from afar. Here I am, playing a sim, in real world (or real life if you prefer) terms, which hardly has any importance so am I showing disrespect to the person I'm attempting to show respect to by using a tribute skin in a sim?

Apart from sim racing, I'm also starting to doubt it being used in real racing as well. Its like combining one of the most important events in a person's life comparing to how much of little importance competition is.

What do you think?

Last edited by Leprekaun, Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:34.

Well, I haven't looked at the replay but I will tomorrow . I just want to say, if its happening when you lift off the brakes, I know EXACTLY what you mean. For some weird reason, after you finish braking and let go, the car suddenly decides to really turn in like mad. I found that the best way to avoid this crazy amount of oversteer is to use less brake pressure or to not brake for as long and just the let the corner itself scrub speed off the car so that you can take the corner safely.

Come on lads, anyone?

Quote from DieKolkrabe :

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=278832 <---- Slight flaw

May have to look at the 'interesting' sites

Or ask somebody who knows

Yeah! that guy is sad! :mad:. He can't make tracks and then sell them. He doesn't own the licence to the tracks so most likely, he's putting himself in a worse position by saying "give me money for my conversions" because the track owners will whoop his ass about it.

Well, I might have a look at that but for now, I would like the track conversions that were made for Nk Namie

Hi all! well, I got back in the groove with netkar namie again . Great sim, I know LFS is better but its nice to drive the Modena round Imola . Anyway, I've looked everywhere for Suzuka and Monaco (GP4 conversions) but all the links I found were dead . I have quite a collection of tracks for netkar namie in anyone wants to make a trade .

These are the tracks I have:

Adelaide

Albert Park

Blackwood (S1 blackwood)

Brands Hatch GP

Cocomaro

Croft

Crystal Palace

Kartodromo orobico

Donington GP

Falkenberg

Hockenheim (have 2 different versions, one seems to be of higher quality, both are the new Hockenheim)

Imola

Kyalami

Laguna Seca

LeMans

LimeRock (have both standard and chicane versions)

Monza (Like Hockenheim, have 2 different versions, one seems of higher quality, post 01 track)

Mountain Sprint

Mugello

Newbury

Nordschleife (Nurburgring)

Nurburgring (F1 track)

Oulton Park

Oval

Philip Island

Phoenix

Rockingham

Sepang

Silverstone

Spa-Francorchamps (same story as Monza and Hockenheim)

Sugo

Test track (for top speed testing)

Valencia

Zandvoort



Right, quite a list there I think . So if anyone here has Monaco and Suzuka, I would greatly appreciate it if you could upload it somewhere and give me a link or just send it to me . Thanks!

Quote from tristancliffe :

How do you know their cars are pretty equal? Maybe the Ferrari is crap but Kimi and Filipe are awesome? Maybe the McLaren is amazing but the two novices in it can't drive it for shit. You can't say "You can't compare drivers in different teams" and then say "you can compare drivers in different teams".

well, tristan, I don't think you can say Fernando and Hamilton are noobs. If you want to say that Hamilton is, then ok but I strongly disagree because if you look at how well Hamilton did in former racing series, he won all of them and to jump into GP2 and win it in his first season, I think Hamilton is something proper. As for Fernando, well, he gave Schumacher a really tough time last year as they both battled it out to the last round and we all know how good Schumacher was. As for Raikkonen and Massa, Massa is doubtful for myself because he's never been spectacular but Raikkonen has raced with Alonso on many occasions. Its just that Kimi was unfortunate to have the flaming Mclaren over the last 2 years while Alonso had the super Renault. Way I see it, Kimi and Fernando are on equal ground and if perhaps one is better than another, it would definitely be Raikkonen. So, suffice to say, they're both very equal but its just that Hamilton has the edge over them.

As for the team mate comparison thing, yes I can say that you can compare drivers from different teams but at the same time, with certain teams, you can't compare them to others.

The Mclaren and Ferrari are equal, its that simple really. Each team have had the edge over the other in some races but overall, they all had their glory days. Thats why I can compare the 4 of them.

The reason why I can't compare other teams against each other is because really, all other teams except perhaps for Williams and Renault, are quite different from each other so it would be unfair to say that Yamamoto is nowhere compared Kovalainen because the Renault is much better than the Spyker.

Quote from Blackout :

Relying on statistics to say Hamilton is the best and at the same time saying you can only compare the teammates against each other doesn't really make any sense to me.

And off-topic? Here? Never!

I know what you mean. I perhaps misworded it . What I was saying is that you can't say that Button is worse than Massa for example, same way you can't say that Massa is worse than Button but you can compare the Mclaren and Ferrari drivers since their cars are pretty equal so as I said, out of the top 4 runners, I believe Hamilton is the best. Reason why I said that the only real way to rely on knowing who's a better driver is to compare him to his team mate, I meant that for the lower teams because we all know that there is no chance in hell that a team like Honda will win a race this year since Honda only have 1 point. So, thats a good example for you for comparing team mates, I've come to the conclusion that Barrichello is more talented than Button because as Button has been with Honda now for 4 years to completely understand the car while its only Barrichello's 2nd year with the team and he's equaling Button's performance. True, Barrichello spent a few years with Ferrari where he was able to learn things from Schumacher but still, Barrichello was nowhere last year compared to Button and now he's really giving Button a run for his money.


So with a top team like Mclaren or Ferrari, the drivers have the ability to win races because they have winning cars so whoever scores highest out of them, I'd say it would make him the best driver (out of the 4 ).

The logic of comparing team mates also applies for the top runners, however, its more like you're comparing 4 team mates than just 2.

Quote from Blackout :

If your car brakes down it doesn't really help how consistently fast you can be, or if your car is not good enough. The tracks we got left this season should be better for Ferrari than the last few though, so I'm looking for few good races.

Blackout, you do seem to think I'm a bit thick to think that when the car has problems or car performance, you can still go quick. I understand this, I'm not the brightest guy around but I'm smart enough to know that .

See, really, the best way to judge a driver is to see how he does against his team mate. For example, I would suggest that Sato is better than Davidson because Sato sometimes can get into Q2 while Davidson rarely does and in race performance, Sato nearly always out performs Davidson. So this means that Sato is a better driver than Davidson, meaning that he is quicker, more consistent. I wouldn't necessarily say has better racecraft because mr. TV director doesn't like showing the battles some of the lower field drivers do so I can't tell.

Anyway, this has gone waay off topic. I've proven the statistics with Hamilton and I'm not a fan of the whole crazy media stuff myself but I do respect Hamilton as a driver and so far, as a person as well .

Theres something cool that I found out last night too . Now, I swear to you that I heard this from my brother who used to race in a local F1 Challenge championship a few years back whom he met a former Mclaren engineer there and became friends with him . Anyway, this friend of his has a friend that is still involved with Mclaren now so he's hanging out with Hamilton and Alonso . Anyway, point of this is that this friend that still works for Mclaren told his friend who told my bro (I know it sounds confusing ) that apparently, Hamilton is a really really bright guy or to put it in his own words "really with it". Now, all F1 drivers are smart, they have to be when you're racing at that level but considering that this engineer has been working with Mclaren for quite some time, he came across drivers like Raikkonen, Montoya and not to forget to mention, the test drivers as well like Paffet and De La Rosa. So, theres something special about Hamilton

no, I never mentioned for how long. I mean that a driver needs to be consistently quick throughout the whole season.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Saying speed isnt important, I know what you mean by that, you mean that 1 fast lap means nothing. But I think most people look at the bigger picture, consistency and overall race results.

Quote from Leprekaun :

Its about the right strategy and driving consistently and knowing when to push and not to. Also, having good racecraft. Speed is important, I never said it wasn't but compared to the other things I mentioned, it is the least important.

I'm not attacking you QS, I just thought that maybe you didn't see my post or something .

UFG!? thats a new car, isn't it? hmm... I think we have a secret LFS beta tester on our hands who let the cat out of the bag

Quote from Albieg :

So they told someone to take off a shirt just because they were played down by the subject of that shirt?

I know its a bit sad but thats not the point of the story. The point of the story is that Alonso wouldn't seem to be the kind of guy who's good with his fans.

I follow F1 . Don't start being a smart-ass with me.

If you what your saying is true, then how come Hamilton is able to out perform Alonso on a number of occasions? since you tell me I don't follow F1, how come Hamilton stated that he was able to do his qualifying lap at Hungary on the super soft while Alonso felt more comfortable with going with the soft prime? Sure, each driver has their own driving style but if Alonso gave Hamilton his setups, it would make more sense that Alonso would be able to maximise the car better than Hamilton.

Oh and so you know that I didn't get that info from thin air like you claiming that Alonso gave Hamilton his car setups, heres where I found the piece of info on the tyre choice in qualifying at Hungary

"It was intriguing that Lewis Hamilton could get his super-soft Bridgestone option tyres to last a complete lap in qualifying, and that Fernando Alonso preferred to rely on the soft prime tyre, which he felt was rather more durable for his distinctive driving style."

I got this info here

Last edited by Leprekaun, Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:53.

Well, it was an interesting season. This season was interesting for me, I had my angered thoughts and then have some good happy ones of some good close, clean racing . I was very pleased with my performance at AS Historic, car felt right and I could trust it fully going into a lot of the corners (T1 was a bit weird on the brakes though ). I've just realised that I was the reason why Niki didn't get the championship so for that, I am sorry Niki but you know, I'm looking out for my own championship too

2nd season discussion: Well, I think LX6 would be really nice and I love it but if you want close racing, unfortunately, not everyone can drive the LX6 fast. Same way as everyone can drive the XFG quite well, I think maybe go LX4

Last edited by Leprekaun, Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:51.

Well, you know, lemme tell you a little story about the proud Spaniard. A friend of mine took a racing course over in Bahrain where he raced a Zip Formula car. Now, my friend is a HUGE Alonso fan and he wore the Renault T-Shirt when he was there and then a bunch of guys there who had been to the Bahrain GP that year told him to take off the shirt. He asked why and they told him that during the Bahrain GP that year, they saw Alonso around so they all went up to him to greet him and shake hands with him, Alonso didn't put his hand out to shake and simply looked away. Now, that kind of behaviour for me defines an ****.

Also, Raikkonnen is drunk and party boy. He isn't committed and then Massa, well, I don't like Massa because of how he got into Ferrari (his manager is Jean Todt's son) because there are many others on the track that deserve that place more than Massa. So, way I look at it, Hamilton is the friendliest of the 4, does better than the 4 (as I proved with this post with the average positions thing). So simply, Hamilton is better as a person and as a driver

@Ghostracer: How'd you know Hamilton used Alonso's setups? . You're a Mclaren mechanic, are ya?

Last edited by Leprekaun, Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:37.

Well, I haven't read much about Paffet except that he either raced or still races in the DTM which then got him promoted to being a Mclaren test driver. I have to say though, there can sometimes be new blood and everyone is like "ooo! I bet he'll do well" (Vettel & Speed are examples of it). I remember reading a couple years ago about how everyone was stunned by Speed's performance (I was a bit too actually ) when he did an F1 test with RedBull and everyone thought that he'd be serious stuff but as we all saw, Speed didn't go anywhere (obviously, the car is to be blamed as well). Vettel is also quite the same story although, I still think Vettel has more to offer. He was meant to amazing in some of BMW's testing and like Speed, everyone thought that he was gonna be something serious when it came to competing for the champ but Vettel had already done a few races with BMW and compared to Kubica and Heidfeld, I don't think he's as good as they are.

Still, no one person is the same as another so maybe Paffet will be an exception

Well, look, Schumi is obviously skilled, I never said he wasn't. He's definitely one of the greats or possibly the greatest. No one has won 7 championships, he's broken numerous records, the man is definitely legendary. The problem is what he does to win those championships. He deserved what happened to him in 06 with the retirement at Suzuka. Even though the champions before him didn't achieve the records he had, they were much more respectable and fairer when it came to racing.

Just a little note for NitroNitrous, I honestly think the skin is top notch, very nice work . I'm sorry I went off topic commenting about Schumi himself . Great skin!

To be honest Kev, speed is of little importance in racing and I thought you'd know that . Its about the right strategy and driving consistently and knowing when to push and not to. Also, having good racecraft. Speed is important, I never said it wasn't but compared to the other things I mentioned, it is the least important.

I did some quick calculations of average position of each driver.

Here are the average positions for the top 4 runners (Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen and Massa)

Hamilton: 2.6

Alonso: 3.1

Raikkonen: 5.6

Massa: 5.6

So then, Hamilton is averaging between 2nd-3rd place during most of his races. When you look at all his positions, its scary to see all those 2nd places :eek: . Alonso is averaging 3rd place in most of his races and tbh, the Ferrari boys are disappointing for averaging between 5th-6th place.

True, I did throw in the retirement positions but still, Hamilton is mauling the Ferrari boys and still is performing better than Alonso. If Hamilton chose the right tyres at the right time in Nurburgring and do his magic, he could've gotten into the top 5.

So in conclusion, I leave you with this...



HAMILTON FTW!!!

I just want to say that I'm against the whole British pride thing, I bloody hate it!!! :mad:. I remember being at Silverstone in '03 and everytime Button past Copse (was standing at Copse obviously ) the crowd just jumps up and go nuts and when Schumi goes round, BOO!!!!. Talk about sportsmanship so don't think I like Hamilton because he's British, he's English and thats how he'll stand in my eyes. BOO! to the British Empire!!! . I like Hamilton because I believe he's different, just better than the rest, its as simple as that.

Hamilton deserves respect. Alonso's streak was short lived and I feel sorry for him (at least Schumi shone for 13 years ) but thats F1 and like any sport, each driver has his time and it passes. No sportsman will ever be the eternal best, only the best of his era because he'll soon get booted out of the sport because someone else comes along and can do what he do but much better. Its Hamilton's time now and anyone who thinks otherwise, well, I disagree

Well, tbh, Fisi was champion material during the late '90s. He had tons of trouble with Benetton (Renault now obviously ) and then moving to lower teams like Sauber and Jordan who wouldn't contend for the championship so he went back to Renault at a couldn't be worse time where Alonso just made him look shit and then Alonso getting all the support from the team and Fisi almost none. I feel sorry for him, he lost a lot of confidence because of that support thing. Now, compared to Kovalainen, he's more important but Renault are sh*t this year so no chance for a championship. Fisi just needs the right environment and right car and he'll get somewhere proper but really, you could say that about all the drivers. Throw Yamamoto into the Mclaren and he'll start winning races

Quote from tonix :

Skin is finished. Enjoy.

Where the hell is that Thank you button!? I want to press it 1000 times!!! . Thank you SOO much Tonix, you're my hero!!! . I will use that skin with pride

nice skin but tbh, I don't respect Schumacher, for the obvious reasons. He is the scum of F1 champions!

Quote from the e rocker :

I come bearing gifts

i made the prism logo for you, its not 100% perfect but it should be good enough. let me know if you need it bigger.


oh and it shows up only white when you click it because the background is transparent, don't worry its there just copy it or save it

edit: i made a black one so you can see it

edit 2 : i couldn't sleep so i had a crack at the other logo, sadly it didn't come out aswell but it's there if you can't find anyhing else

Thanks for the logos! .