Quote from Blackout :

Well... it's hardly pornographic. Even saying it has any nudity is stretching it. You see worse just watching MTV. It shows bad taste, lack of imagination and skill no doubt, but I can't really find it that offensive.

Well, I didn't want to bring it up but to be more specific , is there not some ass in that pic?

Somehow... I think there is

http://competition.lfs.net/lx_skinning/uploads/LX4/83.JPG

Placed a link and not the actual image for the kiddies

Erm... I just wanted to mention. Doesn't klid's skin (LX4_klid) go against the rules of the whole uploading skins thing on LFSW? (pornography or nudity?)

QS, what proof do you have that Coughlan didn't show it to his pals over at Mclaren?. The team claims that he was in possession of the documents, so thats a start but then IMO, like all major teams in sports, they just said we didn't see the actual documents but they did. No doubt Dennis' hands were itching for those documents and in one way or another, has kept the documents in some sort of secret Mclaren location (for example, could easily have placed it in any of the 100s of the engineer's homes).

This is why I doubt the teams I like tbh. I never said Ferrari had a clean slate but neither do Mclaren, Renault, Williams. All the top guns did some sort of dirty business all through the years of the sport. I know this is going a bit OT but people say when teams find loopholes in the rules (example: the TC thing in the early '90s) they just take advantage of it behind the FIA's back that its because they have the drive to win, to be the best!. Well, I mean, why can't they prove they're the best in a legal manner? its more rewarding isn't it? its more demoralising for the other teams who may have taken advantage of the loopholes in the rules. Wheres the nobility of winning for God sake!?

Thanks a lot alco! really appreciate it . Sorry for the late reply, just forgot about it for some reason . I'm downloading it now

Frankly, I find it a ton of bullsh*t that Mclaren were declared innocent. I mean, FIA state that because Mclaren don't have a significant advantage over Ferrari and that its all "hunky dory" I mean :wtf2:. Mclaren now know the secrets of the 07 Ferrari and can search for the weak points in the car and then also copy things over to their own Mclaren car. FIA are idiots! simply, IDIOTS!!! :mad:

Last edited by Leprekaun, Sat 28 Jul 2007, 01:49.

Great lap Misko! , very impressive stuff . I'll have a go again trying to be smoother with the throttle. I notice that your set allows you to do quite some speed into the slaloms(compared to mine anyway ). Now, before any1 starts attacking me , I know that you (Misko) have really drove your heart out there with that run and that setup was only a small factor but at least, please, if you could give me the setup as building blocks for me .

Cheers for the tips Misko! . I'll have a look at your replay later today. I know it seems I like to hit the power hard but the thing is, sometimes, I want the rear end just to skid a small bit to set me up right for the next section (example: after the first slalom and the right hander, the long left hander, I hit the power a bit hard to give me a good line into the 2nd slalom section). I did a mid 1:20 run there which I also have a replay of but I think I hit 2 or 3 cones so in total time was a slower run. I really don't know where I'm going wrong. I'll try to be smoother with the throttle and skid less but then I usually find myself understeering and having to slow down a lot to get the car round the curve. I'll practice at it a good bit today and observe your replay. I really want to be in a winning position for this thing but I really have to get the hammer down in terms of practice as there is only 2 days left now .

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Then there is the crash in Qualifying for the Monaco GP where Kimi clipped a wall. Also Massa running the red light and getting black flagged at Canada during the race.

Well, we're talking about reliability, I don't think Massa getting black flagged or Kimi's mistake at Monaco counts as a "reliability" failure.

Well, did a run today, tried to better it but couldn't without hitting cones . I forgot that I needed 2% so I had 1% which shows at the end where the engine cuts out. I would really appreciate it if you could tell me where I'm going wrong . Thanks!

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

this years Ferrari is more like last years Mclaren, fast when it works but blows up too much.

Thats quite an exaggeration, dont you think? . Ferrari have only had 2 retirements this year due to technical problems, Massa's retirement at Canada was due to a black flag which is Massa's fault. Mclaren's car had terrible reliability over the years, only this year, they finally understood the quote "to finish first, first you have to finish". Tbh, I have no idea where you got the idea that Mclaren had the best car last year because Ferrari and Renault were waay ahead of everyone else. Mclaren had some lucky days but often, they ended in retirement.

Tbh, I'd like Mclaren to stay, that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm a Mclaren man, always have been a Ferrari man but at the end of the day, each team has their dirty sh*t that the public doesn't know about and sometimes, just a bit of it released. I dunno exactly what happened with Stepney but from what I've read, Ferrari used him as their fall guy in the whole special magic white powder that they used in their cars at Monaco. So really, each side has their dirty intentions or doings, Ferrari might've used Stepney as a fall guy and then Mclaren might've accessed Ferrari's documents of their 2007 car so we can't know which team is being honest.

Well, personally, so far, my best time is 1:22.06 which I did offline!!! :mad:. I think I'm quite spot on when it comes to the first split (usually get 18.4-18.6) but then I lose a TON of time in the second sector where I usually get high 39s. On my offline run, I got 18.61 - 39.03 - 1:02.17 which gave me the 1:22.06 so I think I was going too careful in the final sector because I looked at the splits of zockmachine that day and he got a 1:20.85 when our splits were almost identical.

I found that for the first slalom, I power the car up all the way up to 80 whilst doing the first 2 cones then I lift to drop it around 73-75 and then I hit the power hard again after passing the 2nd last cone to go for the right hander. I notice that I need to go into that right hander with more guts but I'm just so afraid the car will skid a bit and tap a cone . Then, usually for the other slaloms, I like to maintain the fastest speed possible which will keep the rear end in shape and give me good maneuverability to negotiate the cones.

If any of the big guns would be so kind to have a look at a replay that I'll post up soon and tell me where I could gain time and please, don't be afraid to go technical because I like technical details , Thanks! .

Well, a good way to look at it Dan is that when you look at sims like GTR2, GTL and RACE, no one ever got the beta release or if they have, they were just the testers of the game but you didn't go on seeing testers making mods while they were testing, did ya? . You may think "well, LFS is released" but actually, it isn't quite released or to put it in better terms, finalised . So consider that the version of LFS we have now is an alpha version of the game, oh wait! I almost forgot, it in facts says "Live For Speed S2 ALPHA" at the start screen of the game . I'm just stating that I know that if I were in the devs position, still working away at my sim, I REALLY wouldn't appreciate people going round messing with my code to make mods and such because then it'll just complicate things big time.


Don't get me wrong, I totally get your point, I would love to drive the Enzo round Fiorano or drive the NSX round Suzuka *insert drool here * but I understand why no mods would be allowed. I look forward to the day when S3 is out and hopefully, the devs release their magical tools that they used to make the models, tracks and physics, that will be one funky day.

Can someone make me a promise that if the devs release their tools, to make an F355 Challenge mod? PLZ!!! with a cherry on top?

Very true points there Storm, very true indeed. Personally, I'm not quite sure whats special about my driving but I've understood that over the years, experience was an important factor to why I've improved. Sometimes, I notice that when I just think harder about my driving style and how maybe I could become a smoother driver, I can get some drastic results. I remember back in the CRC days in the 2nd season of the Challenge Cup (XFRs), in the first round, my front tyres would burn up easily and this ticked me off quite a bit so I kept increasing pressure in the tyres and while it helped a bit, I would still lose time so thats when I decided to go into deep thought about my driving style and consciously trying to be smoother and smoother till it became part of my driving style and I found that even with my new improved driving style that I was saving my tyres really well, I noticed that I was able to extract much, much more speed out of the car waay beyond my imagination which put a nice big on my face . So I believe that if someone just really thinks about their driving and try and analyse their driving style at every point in a corner and think about what the car is doing, you can go waay beyond your imagination when you improve.

I like to think tbh that its to do with how Senna looked at things. For example, Senna would comment on how when he was at Monaco, he reached such a stage of deep concentration and analysis that he could physically be outside the car to observe what the car is doing at each precise moment through each corner where drivers like Prost and Berger just couldn't comprehend how can someone reach that kind of level of concentration but Senna did and it proves to why he was so much more better than drivers when he was really in the zone.

In terms of my personal ability, I don't know where I gain my speed but I have a fair idea that its down to understanding of the car, the track and also really thinking about how the car responds to my various inputs. Thankfully, I think that yes, after reading many of the posters here, I believe I was incorrect to say that there is no such thing as "talent" because why would drivers like Senna and Schumacher be so much better than their team mates, well, perhaps with Senna, Prost was also very talented so there wasn't much of a big difference but with his former team mates, Senna did prove that he was something else. Like storm said, talent is just a factor to why someone can be better than someone else and even tho it is in fact an important factor, having talent alone won't get you anywhere without having determination, understanding and the drive to win.

Quote from danowat :

Phew, I missed this thread, so I'll just make a few obseravations.

Lepr, not sure what the bug in your ass is, but you must realise that the setup ISN'T key to making you fast, the difference between a good setup and a VERY good setup is miniscule.
Also, practice is good, but it won't make you a superstar, practicing the same combo over and over again without analyzing WHY you are slower than driver A is pointless, the same as driving the same lines over and over again is pointless.
You have a strange attitude, not only to those faster than yourself, but those slower than yourself, I would almost say you have illusions of grandier, maybe even an overflated ego/opinion of yourself.

Secondly, natural talent is THE key point in racing, overcoming mental boundaries in real life racing is part of being "a natural".

I have been riding "big bikes" for just over a year, and on the track I can go WAY faster than riders that have been riding for years, this ISN'T due to setup (although it did make a difference, but not huge), practice, black magic or whatever, it's just because my natural talent for riding is more than others, I have been told, on a number of occasions, I am a "natural" when it comes to riding, maybe I just have less fear, lower mental boundries when it comes to riding fast or whatever, but it's still all talent.

Kev will vilify me for saying this, but I also truely believe that a positive mental approach works wonders, preparing yourself mentally for ANYTHING is as important as lots of practice.

-> 2nd paragraph: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=491247#post491247

I'm getting a bit ticked off with people not paying attention to my posts. I've said this before in a recent post but still, same stuff is happening. I never, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER stated that setup is the "sole" reason for someone being faster than another. I stated that setup is important but at the end of the day, its the driver that maximises the car and the setup <- meaning that its more to do with the skill of the driver himself/herself, not the setup. People like Bawbag and Chriskart and Modoff, I'm sorry to say but IMHO, shows no proof to why they'd be very talented as I've said before, and before again! that we cannot account for offline mileage.

Hotlapping is part of having offline mileage so I apologise for not accounting the following hotlappers extra mileage as I have underestimated the amount of offline mileage they've done. So here are their hotlap charts:

Chriskart Hotlaps

Bawbag Hotlaps

Modoff Hotlaps

Leprekaun Hotlaps

So as you can see here, I have a mere 4 hotlaps compared to the other 3 drivers whom clearly have well over the 20 mark and I believe Bawbag has a monster rank (meaning having hotlapped with all cars on all track configurations) so they've clearly done waay more offline mileage than I have. It was my mistake to account for "online" mileage only, that was something bad on my part but when you try and put online mileage + offline mileage, I believe things change. Whether they've only done 1 run for their hotlaps which I doubt very much as they would have to have come across some HLVC problems with some of their runs forcing them to do it all over again but I won't put a number to how many runs on average that they did per hotlap because I don't know but without doubt, more than 1 run is definite. So then, Modoff and Chriskart, true, they have less "online" mileage than me but I would say altogether, have more. Also, note that I've never bothered with hotlapping, all this "being fast over 1 lap" business doesn't interest me. I race online, not hotlap online. The only time I drive offline is when I'm working on a setup and most of the time, a race setup at that so if I were to focus on doing the 1 lap wonders, I would probably be able to make myself a quicker driver and a much quicker one at that but I would also suffer from the case of not racing much, making me lose touch with my racecraft and consistency which has happened to me before briefly where I would stretch on in front of the other drivers, being alone so as if I would be practicing offline.

So my point is, we can't, simple cannot account for total mileage (online+offline) because there is no offline mileage counter. So way I look at it, my point has a lot stronger ground than yours Ray as you've done x2 the amount of online mileage, then including offline mileage, you could make it x3 or x4 in total of all that focusing on being quick over 1 lap. I know a few other racers who prove my point even further btw .

ALDI (licence username: Nobo)

SchneeFee

SparkyDave, the TBO specialst

Thats some really stuff . Personally, I'm not sure if its been mentioned but sometimes when I'm driving, I see a spike of a texture just flickers on my screen once, can be a bit weird. At first, I thought I was seeing things but then payed more attention and found that its definitely a glitch. The car I use is an ATi Radeon 9250 SE if that helps.

Maybe its an ATi issue...

OT: Flip, how do you get that clock on the top left of the screen?

Well, talent is based purely on natural ability (or as some like to call it "God-given gift"). Whether its how someone thinks, how someone reacts, it can a number of different talents. Personally, I feel that perhaps the difference or thing that I consider extremely important when it comes to driving a car fast, any car at that is knowing how to maximise it and before you can do that, paying soo much detail to how the car responds to your inputs (example: applying throttle in the XRT so that when you hit the throttle when you're around 35%-40% round the corner, upon completing the corner, you get max turbo boost and causing a bit of throttle steer or sometimes, very small skid to get the car to turn in just a bit more). I'm not saying thats anything special, I'm just saying thats how hard I think and try to understand the car by maximising the amount of power I can get out of it in a corner.

Thankfully, yes, I may have some talent but I also remember as well that back in the very early days of LFS, I wasn't very quick. I was generally struggling to get within 2 seconds of a WR on a combo which I would've driven almost 50 laps while now, I can get within 1-1.5 seconds of a WR in a matter of just 5-8 laps so I believe that my experience is what lead me to this level. Perhaps as well its because of my understanding of how to maximise the various different cars but I believe that people like Bawbag in their first LFS days were no different to how I was, perhaps better, same or worse, I couldn't tell because Bawbag was involved in LFS well before I was but my point is that he wouldn't have been anything special in those days. Unless someone can drive for only, say, 10k kms (including offline ) and then goes off to set numerous WRs, then I will realise that there are some who have an unexplainable ability to drive a car really fast in a very short amount of time. Even if you can tell me that there is infact a driver who is like that, you or I cannot judge how many kms they've driven as there is no offline mileage counter to account for. Bawbag is skilled, hannu is skilled, biggi is skilled <- No doubt about that! but something we, ourselves, unless we run some sort of lab rat testing , we can never know how many kms in total a driver has driven, I mean, even I don't know how many I've driven in total either! .

At the end of the day, I drive and try to improve to be the best, I'm not the best now and I may not be later either but I keep on driving anyway for the possibility that I can be (by the way, all this is largely if not completely to do with real life reference, while LFS has somewhat significance, I'm nowhere near as serious about sim racing as I would be about the real thing).

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be watching a fantastic show called "Trap Door" http://youtube.com/watch?v=q9H ... amp;mode=user&search=

Last edited by Leprekaun, Wed 18 Jul 2007, 23:32.

Quote from DaveWS :

To be fair Leprekaun, saying things about your good ability (whether true or not) isn't going to get you support from the forums...

But anyway, anything you say now is just digging you deeper. Who cares what people say? If you know how good you are then that's what counts surely?

Edit: If you believe you are the best, that's good, as you will be better in LFS because of it, but it isn't going to get you many fans by saying it on the public forum.

You're right, absolutely right. I shouldn't care about what others think as long as I feel I can become better. I never stated I was the best , I just said that I know I can be with the right amount of practice <- Personal opinion.

Quote from csimpok :

Lep, I don't mean to offend you, but considering that many people (involving those with less driven distance) are capable of driving faster than you it seems that you are not among the most talented drivers... there is nothing wrong with it, I don't know why you take it so seriously... And that you always try your best etc. has nothing to do with talent, talent determines how fast you will be able to go with a determined amount of practice.

I am not talented at painting for example, I won't "beat" Picasso even if I try my best And I don't feel bad if others say I can't paint.

Quote from Leprekaun :

when people tell me that I'm not talented, considering that I take my driving ability very seriously, just hurts quite a bit.

Thats why csimpok, thats why it upsets me because I care about racing a lot and I actually want to get into real life racing.

Reason why I'm taking this to a much more serious level because this form of thinking relates to real racing, does it not?. I apologise for my aggressive tone but when people tell me that I'm not talented, considering that I take my driving ability very seriously, just hurts quite a bit. When one person says it, it can be ignored but when a load of people say it, I mean, put yourself in my shoes. How would you feel if a load of people told you that you're not talented? I'm not just stating about a slither of talent but I compete to be the best, not second or third best, but to be #1. Thats how I race and you can see it through my racing. I admit, I sometimes have a crappy attitude, its a flaw in character that I'm trying to fix but you know, people can say that a driver's skill is based upon talent and thats fine, thats an opinion, I don't necessarily have to agree with it but its fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Reason why I got pissed is because there are those who have chosen to mention my name and compare it to others which wasn't on. I actually stated AGES ago in this thread that I admit that Bawbag and the likes are faster than I am and then all I said was that if I keep at it for a while, I could perhaps reach their level but then people beat me down by telling me that it'll NEVER happen.

I was being perfectly friendly in this thread, some people chose to get nasty and also, have missed VITAL points in my very long post near the end of Pg. 1 but then thats when the sh*t happened because people didn't read my post thoroughly as I thoroughly read theirs.

nothing personal!? are you f*cking serious!? :mad:. Whats all that "Lep is shit" "You're talentless". It wasn't said but so bloody clearly implied. Know what? you guys believe what you want to believe to make yourselves feel like a higher being but good luck to you the day you get beaten, that day will be a crushing day of confidence. Why build so much confidence that you have something "special" over others to know that you'll get beaten? All drivers know and those who don't believe it are idiots that there will always be someone who comes along to beat them (Schumacher -> Alonso & Raikonnen).

Maybe its a strategy to bring others down, if so, fair play, I'd say it would work on the weak minded. I know my stuff, I know my driving and I know I can be the best of my time, never actually be eternally the best because thats never happened and no chance in hell it'll happen in the future either but if you think I have fake beliefs, then you're entitled to your opinion as well as I'm entitled to mine but don't try and push your opinion over mine by trying to patronise me with saying "If it makes you feel better that you know those in front of you are better because they've played LFS more than I have" because one of the things that really gets on my nerves are those who patronise me.

Get the BSP sets (Base Setup Project) and try and get AS Cadet and AS Club sets, they're usually good bases for making sets .

Quote from Bawbag :

Because he had wr's he should be able to beat Lep?

The reason Modoff would beat Leprekaun is because he is capable of doing WR times, not because he has done so in the past.

I'm a shite driver, is that what you want me to admit? a lot of people here seem to think so. So there you have it, I actually stated that you're better than me but all you do is say how shite I am. Really appreciate this "Lep is shite" stuff guys, keep it up plz.

Having discussed with my brother about this whole subject about natural talent or not, he has told me about a few things which yes, can lead to making a driver better than another because of certain childhood experiences. Whilst I see that point clearly, this does not change my opinion on this so called "talented" drivers. The word talent for me is something to explain that someone is very good at what they do BASED upon the amount of practice, dedication, determination and experience.

I mean, for example, comparing myself and Ray. I know that Ray is better than me, I know that for a fact! but the difference in our opinions comes from why he is. If you compare our LFSW stats (which btw, doesn't include offline driving as well ), Ray has done over 180k km while I myself, only have 90k so throwing in some more mileage from offline driving, I'd say I've done about 100-120k altogether and Ray around 200-220k so my point is that he has done double the mileage I have done so, how can you compare me to Ray when he's played LFS double the amount of time that I have? perhaps if we make Ray go cold turkey for a few months whilst I go at it like mad for 3 months, I can achieve his mileage then it would be in a way, possible to compare altho there is another issue here and thats playing too much which would be an issue for me. As you know, back in 1990-1991 testing I believe, where Berger did all the testing for the team while Senna was enjoying the sun in Brazil but when Senna returned to testing, he went faster than Berger even tho Berger had been testing for months so it would be the same between myself and Ray if were to set it up like that.