Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Saying speed isnt important, I know what you mean by that, you mean that 1 fast lap means nothing. But I think most people look at the bigger picture, consistency and overall race results.

Quote from Leprekaun :

Its about the right strategy and driving consistently and knowing when to push and not to. Also, having good racecraft. Speed is important, I never said it wasn't but compared to the other things I mentioned, it is the least important.

I'm not attacking you QS, I just thought that maybe you didn't see my post or something .

Quote from Albieg :

So they told someone to take off a shirt just because they were played down by the subject of that shirt?

I know its a bit sad but thats not the point of the story. The point of the story is that Alonso wouldn't seem to be the kind of guy who's good with his fans.

I follow F1 . Don't start being a smart-ass with me.

If you what your saying is true, then how come Hamilton is able to out perform Alonso on a number of occasions? since you tell me I don't follow F1, how come Hamilton stated that he was able to do his qualifying lap at Hungary on the super soft while Alonso felt more comfortable with going with the soft prime? Sure, each driver has their own driving style but if Alonso gave Hamilton his setups, it would make more sense that Alonso would be able to maximise the car better than Hamilton.

Oh and so you know that I didn't get that info from thin air like you claiming that Alonso gave Hamilton his car setups, heres where I found the piece of info on the tyre choice in qualifying at Hungary

"It was intriguing that Lewis Hamilton could get his super-soft Bridgestone option tyres to last a complete lap in qualifying, and that Fernando Alonso preferred to rely on the soft prime tyre, which he felt was rather more durable for his distinctive driving style."

I got this info here

Last edited by Leprekaun, Wed 15 Aug 2007, 18:53.

Well, you know, lemme tell you a little story about the proud Spaniard. A friend of mine took a racing course over in Bahrain where he raced a Zip Formula car. Now, my friend is a HUGE Alonso fan and he wore the Renault T-Shirt when he was there and then a bunch of guys there who had been to the Bahrain GP that year told him to take off the shirt. He asked why and they told him that during the Bahrain GP that year, they saw Alonso around so they all went up to him to greet him and shake hands with him, Alonso didn't put his hand out to shake and simply looked away. Now, that kind of behaviour for me defines an ****.

Also, Raikkonnen is drunk and party boy. He isn't committed and then Massa, well, I don't like Massa because of how he got into Ferrari (his manager is Jean Todt's son) because there are many others on the track that deserve that place more than Massa. So, way I look at it, Hamilton is the friendliest of the 4, does better than the 4 (as I proved with this post with the average positions thing). So simply, Hamilton is better as a person and as a driver

@Ghostracer: How'd you know Hamilton used Alonso's setups? . You're a Mclaren mechanic, are ya?

Last edited by Leprekaun, Wed 15 Aug 2007, 17:37.

Well, I haven't read much about Paffet except that he either raced or still races in the DTM which then got him promoted to being a Mclaren test driver. I have to say though, there can sometimes be new blood and everyone is like "ooo! I bet he'll do well" (Vettel & Speed are examples of it). I remember reading a couple years ago about how everyone was stunned by Speed's performance (I was a bit too actually ) when he did an F1 test with RedBull and everyone thought that he'd be serious stuff but as we all saw, Speed didn't go anywhere (obviously, the car is to be blamed as well). Vettel is also quite the same story although, I still think Vettel has more to offer. He was meant to amazing in some of BMW's testing and like Speed, everyone thought that he was gonna be something serious when it came to competing for the champ but Vettel had already done a few races with BMW and compared to Kubica and Heidfeld, I don't think he's as good as they are.

Still, no one person is the same as another so maybe Paffet will be an exception

Well, look, Schumi is obviously skilled, I never said he wasn't. He's definitely one of the greats or possibly the greatest. No one has won 7 championships, he's broken numerous records, the man is definitely legendary. The problem is what he does to win those championships. He deserved what happened to him in 06 with the retirement at Suzuka. Even though the champions before him didn't achieve the records he had, they were much more respectable and fairer when it came to racing.

Just a little note for NitroNitrous, I honestly think the skin is top notch, very nice work . I'm sorry I went off topic commenting about Schumi himself . Great skin!

To be honest Kev, speed is of little importance in racing and I thought you'd know that . Its about the right strategy and driving consistently and knowing when to push and not to. Also, having good racecraft. Speed is important, I never said it wasn't but compared to the other things I mentioned, it is the least important.

I did some quick calculations of average position of each driver.

Here are the average positions for the top 4 runners (Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen and Massa)

Hamilton: 2.6

Alonso: 3.1

Raikkonen: 5.6

Massa: 5.6

So then, Hamilton is averaging between 2nd-3rd place during most of his races. When you look at all his positions, its scary to see all those 2nd places :eek: . Alonso is averaging 3rd place in most of his races and tbh, the Ferrari boys are disappointing for averaging between 5th-6th place.

True, I did throw in the retirement positions but still, Hamilton is mauling the Ferrari boys and still is performing better than Alonso. If Hamilton chose the right tyres at the right time in Nurburgring and do his magic, he could've gotten into the top 5.

So in conclusion, I leave you with this...



HAMILTON FTW!!!

I just want to say that I'm against the whole British pride thing, I bloody hate it!!! :mad:. I remember being at Silverstone in '03 and everytime Button past Copse (was standing at Copse obviously ) the crowd just jumps up and go nuts and when Schumi goes round, BOO!!!!. Talk about sportsmanship so don't think I like Hamilton because he's British, he's English and thats how he'll stand in my eyes. BOO! to the British Empire!!! . I like Hamilton because I believe he's different, just better than the rest, its as simple as that.

Hamilton deserves respect. Alonso's streak was short lived and I feel sorry for him (at least Schumi shone for 13 years ) but thats F1 and like any sport, each driver has his time and it passes. No sportsman will ever be the eternal best, only the best of his era because he'll soon get booted out of the sport because someone else comes along and can do what he do but much better. Its Hamilton's time now and anyone who thinks otherwise, well, I disagree

Well, tbh, Fisi was champion material during the late '90s. He had tons of trouble with Benetton (Renault now obviously ) and then moving to lower teams like Sauber and Jordan who wouldn't contend for the championship so he went back to Renault at a couldn't be worse time where Alonso just made him look shit and then Alonso getting all the support from the team and Fisi almost none. I feel sorry for him, he lost a lot of confidence because of that support thing. Now, compared to Kovalainen, he's more important but Renault are sh*t this year so no chance for a championship. Fisi just needs the right environment and right car and he'll get somewhere proper but really, you could say that about all the drivers. Throw Yamamoto into the Mclaren and he'll start winning races

Quote from tonix :

Skin is finished. Enjoy.

Where the hell is that Thank you button!? I want to press it 1000 times!!! . Thank you SOO much Tonix, you're my hero!!! . I will use that skin with pride

nice skin but tbh, I don't respect Schumacher, for the obvious reasons. He is the scum of F1 champions!

Quote from the e rocker :

I come bearing gifts

i made the prism logo for you, its not 100% perfect but it should be good enough. let me know if you need it bigger.


oh and it shows up only white when you click it because the background is transparent, don't worry its there just copy it or save it

edit: i made a black one so you can see it

edit 2 : i couldn't sleep so i had a crack at the other logo, sadly it didn't come out aswell but it's there if you can't find anyhing else

Thanks for the logos! .

Great work Tonix!!! . Can't wait for the finished version . Yeah, I know what you mean by those 2 logos, I was going to attempt to make the skin myself but I looked everywhere I know but couldn't find anything so I was hoping that maybe someone else, like yourself, would have more resources than myself. Take your time with it anyway, its looking really sweet so far

Quote from Sponge :

Awesome! good work. The F3000 skin fits the FO8 perfectly

If you compare closely the chassis of the FO8 to the F3000, you'll find they're basically the same

Quote from tonix :

I'm on it.

Thank you!

Hi all! well, I wanted to request a skin based on the 2003 Arden F3000 livery. Thanks . The images can be found below:

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Thanks!

Hi! I wanted to suggest mirror viewing. What I mean by mirror viewing is that if you can press a button that makes the driver (ingame) points his head towards the side mirror or rear view mirror. I remember playing Toca 2 back in the day where it worked in that fashion.

Quote from Becky Rose :

The centre mirror does not quite show the whole rear view render area, the side mirrors go a bit further. It would be nice if the look left/right could be configured to look in such a way that the mirrors were the focal point.

I agree. I remember playing some games where when you wanted to look behind, it would point the driver's head up to the rear view mirror and move the head to the side of side view mirrors. If the devs could add 3 extra buttons (rear view view, side mirror view), it would help a lot . I'll add this to the Improvement Suggestions section

Quote from dungbeetle :

Aren't the two wing mirrors simply the centre mirror view split in two?

No, not really. When a driver may attempt to pass you and is side by side, you most likely won't see him in your rear view mirror but in your side mirror.

yeah, thats the only thing to do really. I have my FOV set to 102 (allows me to view side mirror and full rear mirror). You'll have to bring the FOV quite a bit to view the other mirror but for me, it just feels weird

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

It would easily do a lap. In fact, most karts would probably do 5 or 6 laps. You might die of boredom however.

Yes, I agree . Does depend on the type of kart tho. I heard that the Formula Super A karts can reach up to speeds of 300+ KMH (or 180+ MPH for you English people ) so I'd say it would still be challenging. Also, apart from the fact that they reach those speeds, the fun part with karts is the braking zone .

Aside from the actual fun of having karts, I've read an article here which says that a lot of karters use simulators so if karts were added to the game (ofcourse, as Becky said here (I think it was Becky anyway ) the whole chassis flexing would have to be implemented to truly simulate karts but if it were done, it would bring in quite an amount of $ for the devs

Last edited by Leprekaun, Fri 10 Aug 2007, 08:28.

Quote from Hankstar :

Imagine if Canada pissed off the Whitehouse: would they rename maple syrup "Liberty Juice"?

no no, you got it all wrong. They'd have to call it "Freedom" Syrup

Great post!!! . Everything right to the point

Quote from Infiniti :

Yea, I spos' I can show you a typical life in the midwesties of the States. I'm in the center with short hair (buzzed it for a swim meet a few days before) Generally my hair is a bit longer. And yes women flock to me like fat kids and cake err rather a rabid :lfs: fan and the new g25.

Btw kids, teen drinking is bad and should not be abused.

Quote from BigDave2967 :

He's forgotton his pacifier/dummy, which is why he's in a cranky mood.

There ya go Leppy! *hands over the dirty dummy*

I want a clean one!

Too easy this. The monkey ofcourse! because there are 4 sides of bars for the monkey, but for the person, he only faces one. The only time the human could be counted as behind bars in that situation is that if inside that cage, there is something that the person REALLY REALLY REALLY wants but can never can reach it. Hmm... that sounds somewhat poetic, I think I might make a quote out of that situation

Quote from Dajmin :

I think you should be putting "X10" but maybe that's just me

ewwwwwwwwwww! you're a twisted sista!