Interested in competing Dan. Please add me to the list

LFS Licence name: Leprekaun
LFS Screen name: [DR] Leprekaun

Last edited by Leprekaun, Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:36.

yep, just saw the schedule. Ah well

Is MRT series for everyone?

Hmm... I'm starting to notice a pattern

Do you like making vague topic titles?

Other thread: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34698

I do try to visualise everything mechanically but thats not the point. I want to know why stiff front springs with soft rear springs makes oversteer because as I tried to visualise mechanically, it didn't make sense to me. As the car's weight is thrown at the back, softer rear suspension should mean that the car has more traction, RWD or FWD because when you apply throttle, the weight will always go to the back. So why would softening the rear springs or stiffening the rear springs cause oversteer? the same logic also applies to the ARB (soft rear should mean more grip at the back but it increases oversteer so thats a lack of grip there). Maybe the ARB bit is a bit more complex since it involves the idea that when you're cornering, a softer rear ARB means that there will be more weight transfer that will exceed the saturation level of grip but if this was true then how come the car understeers with a stiff ARB?

Well, the clear difference is the side pod area (more curvy bits sticking out). I'd really love to see the 07 car, it'll be quite hard to make, I understand but it would be nice to have a new car and besides, from a business point of view, the BF1 is one of the main attractions to why someone would get into LFS because not only is LFS the most realistic driving simulator there is, they've included an F1 car in it. Its kind of embarrassing for me when I'm trying to encourage friends to buy LFS and I tell them that theres an F1 car and then they ask "What car?" so I tell them its the 06 BMW Sauber and then they reply "Oh... cool" so if its the new car, would get a lot more interest .

I'm not saying that I'm displeased with the devs but I'm just saying that from a personal perspective, I would really love it if they added it and from a general perspective, it'll make them more $

Thanks for your detailed reply Bob . I'm still trying to understand it but I'm getting there .

About the differential, if you can just confirm that I understood it properly , when the diff is loose, because the inside driven wheel isn't getting much torque due to a loss of traction, the car balances the torque on both wheels? (i.e.: Inside wheel is producing 275 Nm of torque so the outside wheel has to be 275 as well?). I thought that if the diff is loose then the torque would be uneven between the 2 driven wheels, hence no real adjusting or locking is occurring.

I just thought I'd mention that during the tests with a FWD car, I only changed springs, nothing else so the setups are identical except with opposite suspension settings.

Forgive me if you've stated it in your post but I still don't get why having stiff front suspension (stiff springs and stiff dampers) on a FWD car gives oversteer and vice versa.

Quote from felplacerad :

I've got a nice setup for the FOX, shipped with R1 tyres. After about 2 laps on Westhill the tyres are completely warmed up (both inside and outside). But i'm not sure the R1 tyres will last for as long as i want them to, so i simply replaced the R1 slicks with R2.

However, now the inside of the wheels stay cold (blue in the f9 menu) and only the outside gets hot (Hot on the outside as if you've done a burnout.) - even after 20 laps.


Im guessing it's a bad thing, so i am wondering whats the best solution? Push harder (kind of hard since im pretty much going as fast as i can already) or alter the setup? If so - how?

Or is the cold inside/hot outside a good thing?

Try using more camber, -1 degree at time because you're problem seems like more of a camber problem. If you say the tyre temps on R1s are completely balanced, that means that yes, it is good but try and look at it in the way that because the compound is different because R1s are quite sensitive tyres so the tyre in general can build up heat easier than R2s but generally, a little pointer that I learnt in OWRL, never use R2s. Also, at a track like Westhill, tyre temperature shouldn't be much of an issue as there are long straights to give the tyres a chance to cool down.

In my opinion, more negative camber OR if you're willing to do it, decrease the pressure so that the insides are at optimum and outsides are a bit hot but really, there must be something very wrong with the camber on your setup because its new for me to hear that the inside is cool and the outside is warm. Generally, its the other way round.

EDIT: WOAH! this is an old post . Ah well

Differential

Hi all! I was messing about 2 nights ago in the BF1 when I decided to try and learn the Clutch Pack differential. So, at first, I put it at maximum locking power (80%) which made the car oversteer quite a bit on the throttle and then made it loose as possible (10%) which made the car understeer. Now, I understand how a differential works, more locking means that the differential will make the drive wheels spin at similair speed and vice versa.

However, something that puzzles me is that if the differential is loose, meaning that the inside wheel will spin at a higher speed than the outside wheel, why does the car understeer, I mean, isn't there less grip at the back if one wheel is losing traction and all the strain is being thrown onto one wheel? and vice versa with a locked differential.

FWD oversteer

Another thing that I tried recently was messing about with setting up a FWD car (i.e.: XF GTi). Like anyone who is trying to learn setup , I tried extremes with the suspension. From what I understood and read about suspension:

Soft front suspension: more oversteer in the phase of deceleration (i.e.: braking for a corner, lifting off the throttle)

Stiff front suspension: ^ Opposite

Soft rear suspension: more traction or understeer on the throttle or when the weight of the car is pushed towards the back.

Stiff rear suspension: ^ Opposite

I know that my setup knowledge is very basic but thats the reason why I'm messing about so that I can learn .

These rules apply fine when driving a RWD or 4WD car but whats confusing is me is that it seems that the opposite of all the above (i.e.: Stiff front suspension: oversteer) happens with FWD cars. I was told a while ago to look at in the way that since the drive wheels are on the other end when comparing it to a RWD car then the setup changes would flip around but I mean, I think I understand weight transfer so it just doesn't make sense to me.

Thanks!

For me, its more like

1. Brake

2. Disengage clutch, blip and shift down

3. Engage clutch

So I do it simultaneously. I'll record my feet and then play it in slow mo and get back to ya

Quote from Racer556 :

Ferrari Project, an ISI division made game, wich looks really neat in pics, but I belive it'll be as all ISI games good graphics, a lot of publicity (not yet though), and it's been published, wich is a clue that they want ppl to buy it! As all ISI games... pretty popsim

I thought that game was made already? . Something like Ferrari Challenge where Bruno Senna was involved in helping with the physics.

EDIT: Realised its a seperate game, sorry :doh:

Where'd you get the pics?

Last edited by Leprekaun, Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:01.

"Stop screwing with my head man!"

Well, if you observe in the video, you notice how the XF driver takes a tighter line than the ideal racing line in order to avoid the other AI driver so I'd say theres a good chance they have some form of awareness.

Hi all! something that I feel like I'm reaching these days is a form of insanity. No joke, I do mean it. I appreciate the driving ability of such drivers as Bawbag, hannu, flotch, Biohazard and biggi (and any of the other usual WR setters if I forgot to mention ). Anyway, even though I appreciate their skill, I do want to be as good or even better than they are, its only natural as I am quite a competitive character but I feel like I'm so far away and that its almost impossible.

Some of you may think that I take it too seriously but racing is a HUGE part of my life. Even though I'm not racing anything yet, I strive win, to be the best in any form of racing that I'm involved in and in this case, LFS.

So, do you believe that if someone were to work hard enough that they can be as good or better as the best or should I just give up hope and just depress myself?

The Prancing Horse all the way

Quote from xaotik :

Oh hey - forgot about this - here you go:

"And look! look! Its Ducky, Ducky is half a lap ahead of the 7 times World Champion, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!! I SIMPLY CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!, we're entering a new era, DUCKY ERA!!!!!!!!!!"

Hi all! I've taken the SAT Reasoning Test in November this year but CollegeBoard.com tells me to check back after the 30th of November and nothing so then I heard a rumour from a friend of mine that its meant to appear online today but nothing .

Anyone here got their scores?

Quote from thisnameistaken :

The sidepod stripes remind me of an old Benetton F1 car.

I agree . I think it was between 94-97

No problem, thanks!

@Kev:

"Its just for me and my dog, Kiora, den denen den, Kiora, da dee da dee, Kiora"

Vykos, I just wanted to ask about email activation because I registered on the etm website but I didn't receive an email. I've checked my junk mail and everything, nothing there

The reason why people are assuming its tomorrow because Scawen has regularly uploaded patches in the past on Fridays and considering how that the CMX viewer was released very recently, there is a large possibility that the release is tomorrow. I'd say that if its not tomorrow, definitely next Friday.

Thank you

I'm sorry to go OT in this thread but I've been told that a 2048 wireframe was made for this car but I can't find it .

Quote from geeman1 :

Me too. Friday next week would be alright with me.

Its just that I've got a world geography exam on the Sunday after next. Bah! who gives a shite about the triangular trade? +

PATCH Y FTW!!!