Voted for Fern Bay Rallycross

Can the 2 people who voted please give me their identity. I'm assuming that they're interested in competing so if so, please send me a PM to tell me that you're interested in competing.

Hi all! I've decided to make a poll to see what Rallycross track you'd like to race on in the memorial event. Please, if you're not competing, don't vote. This is strictly for the people who plan to compete.

Sorry about this, but for any of those who vote for a track, can you please post a reply stating your choice.

Example: what Niko has done

Last edited by Leprekaun, Tue 18 Sep 2007, 19:32.

After this race is completed, its suffice to say that the winner will be the champion of the Colin McRae Memorial Rally and can feel proud of his/her achievement.


















14. bleu wolf

Last edited by Leprekaun, Wed 26 Sep 2007, 17:36.

Quote from harjun :

R.I.P. Coling McRae

I sincerely hope that was a typo and not taking the piss

Hi all! I just got GTR2 a couple days ago and I've been looking around on some sites but they don't have many addons so would anyone here know a good site or a few good sites for download mods, cars and tracks? Thanks!

Such a sad time . Colin was different from other rally drivers.

Rest In Peace Champ

Well, back on the discussion of Schumacher's driving style. Tbh, I think the main difference between Schumacher and other drivers is bravery. For example, when braking for T1 at Blackwood in the XRT. If you brake at the 125 marker, you'll go through the corner comfortably and you can get the car to the apex without any real difficulty. Now, I've personally tested it myself, you can actually brake at 110-100 meters which is better but obviously, it'll require a bit of work to get the car into the corner but it is faster. The difference between braking at 125 and 110 is calmness. When you brake at the 125 marker, you can brake hard, then let go of the brakes where you're in a period of not having any brakes or throttle or just "coasting" to the apex then when the time is right, hit the throttle while braking at the 110 mark, you have to brake all the way till the apex and then you instantly switch to putting the throttle in.

Like what Herbert was saying, drivers like Hakkinen and Senna keep dabbing the throttle as they approach the apex and also use it a bit for the exit. I think they do this to keep the car balanced and not having too much weight at the back or front when it comes to weight transfer. As for Schumacher, he probably sets the car up so that he can brake hard and late into the apex with the car still being stable then instantly applying a small amount of throttle after he's finished braking to keep the weight at the back thus giving him rear end grip then he can just gently power it out not to lose traction.

It seems quite simple but like I said, I think its to do with bravery. Actually, something which validates this point is what Watson was saying about how fast Schumacher went through Becketts.

avoid 32 bits Chris. Trust me, they may make a very slight difference in the colours but its hardly noticeable . I'm using 800x600 but then again, I have to because of my shite processor and gfx card

Hi all! well, I've been thinking about it for a few days now and I'm starting to think that 10tacle might've finally got their physics right. I remember thinking back in the first GTR days that the car was too nervous and that you couldn't get away with a 5 degree slide which I thought was very unrealistic because from watching vids, I can see them doing corrections with slides that have a much higher angle. GTR2, however, they seem to have made some great improvements in the physics department in that you can feel the car more in the steering and can get away with some slides but still, to be realistic, not get away with crazy angle slides. I don't know but I just feel that they've got it right. True, I only got GTR2 yesterday and M3 Challenge the day before but going by first impressions, I'm starting to believe that the LFS developers might have some competition .

Just a little request please, no flaming. I'm only posting my opinion and would appreciate it if this could be discussed on a mature level. My opinion is not final and I'm still with LFS but GTR2 seems to come very good. I've never driven a racing car (Single Seater or GT car) so my opinion could be a load of shite but I base my opinion from racing vids that I've seen.

If you disagree (and I bet that most of you do ), please provide reasons to why you think GTR2 or M3 Challenge or both is unrealistic compared to LFS.

Well, tbh, I stopped racing online for 3 reasons, the impression I get from most online users on the track, from the way they chat are complete arseholes and besides, my PC has a tough time driving with a full grid so I just thought "screw it". I'll be giving the BILSTEIN a proper go tonight to see what kind of times I can get. I love the BILSTEIN because its so stable under braking and then it bites into the apex and then you can just floor it without worrying about the rear sliding, my kind of setup I guess .

You Mercury boys using BILSTEIN and no driving aids?

Well, try and look at it judging the driver on his own or basing his speed and consistency in testing and qualifying. Senna, Prost, Schumacher and many other champions were all cheeky but what made them unique was their character and driving ability.

Well, I'm not planning on getting into an argument about this but only Mercedes and Porsche really know why the car did that. True, it could've been the reason to why the cars did that but all true racing enthusiasts or racing drivers know that sometimes, you have to take risks. Its up to Tristan if he wants to go ahead with it or not.

Quote from FL!P :

How about Senna? Remember how he took out Prost at Suzuka in 89 and 90?

Everything is fair in love and war, they say!

ah! but in 89, it was Prost who took Senna out and then Senna took out Prost out in 90. Tbh, judging by the reasons for why both drivers did it, they had 1 reason in common and that was winning the championship but in 90, Senna should've had the left side of the track for pole position after it had been agreed before qualifying that it would be on the right but a mr. Balistre (I think ) changed it to the right after qualifying which was very unjust to Senna so he had the right to be angry whilst with Prost, his only reason was to win the championship. That doesn't mean I don't respect Prost, Prost is one of my favs

Oh right! sorry, I forgot, you're French FLIP . Just joking , I know everyone has their opinions of drivers

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okay... don't get that bb .

Cool . Well, please please please, let me know if it fixes it or not. I'm still learning car setup so I'm interested to see if my theory is correct

Quote from tristancliffe :

Although we recently increased the spring rates, that was because they were too soft, and the car was bottoming a bit too much. We've gone up by just 25lbs/in on the springs, and carefully made sure the wheel frequences also correlate. I don't think it's springs, and softer isn't an option. I am tempted to try slightly stiffer front though.

Well, that could work, yeah so stiffening front springs could help out but if you don't want to go near the front of the car for setup, I think you should lower the rear according to the front. If lets say, you have 50mm set for the front, maybe make the rear 40-45mm to give more stability at the back? but I guess that won't work if the track is too bumpy. Its a real toughie Tristan and considering your vast knowledge on car mechanics and you having a problem, must be a real pain in the ass problem. Well, thats the only thing I can think of if you want to change rear ride height (make the rear lower than the front to produce more downforce at the back), otherwise, you're just gonna have to make some human setup in your driving style to suit the car

Well, I'm not setup guru or technical man, I'm still learning but as far as I know, if you're talking about the rear of the car, softening rear suspension should really help. I remember testing that in a few sims(incl. LFS) and they all gave the same effect, lots more traction. If you're talking about medium to high speed corners, I think the roll bar comes into play big time so maybe softening the rear roll bar?

About the ride height bit, like Dan, all I can think of why the ride height would make a difference would be because of weight transfer. Have to say tho Tristan, you can't really think in the way that you don't want to change the settings at the front of the car because the front and the rear are equally important when it comes to car setup. The word balance is really spot on because its all about the front cooperating with the rear and vice versa.

Well, after 2 days of squeezing out the M3, I got a 2:16.353 with the standard suspension and no driving aids and got a 2:13.179 with the BILSTEIN suspension system so me says... GO BILSTEIN!!! . Having all the aids on, I remember getting a 2:15.240 with the standard suspension but its no fun at all . The game is called M3 CHALLENGE after all so if its not challenging, you're playing the wrong game

OT: <- ooo! post no. 666 :evil:

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Downloading now . I always loved the M series (well, late '90s M5 and M3 CSL but I'm growing to like the new versions of them now ). Any chance of Ferrari doing the same with Blimey and getting an F430 round Mugello or better yet, Fiorano?

Oh! Look, its the Hacker Attackers! . As far as I know, you can use the object editor on any track layout so since you're a demo user and have blackwood, I think its pretty legal to place objects on a demo track

Oh and its Shift+U

Quote from theirishnoob :

as for the rs6 understeering... changing your driving style , it solves that issue striaght away

Well, nobody can exactly change their driving style completely. I mean, I know that if I don't have a setup that makes the car either suffer from slight understeer (I like to have some rear brake bias to help me turn in and then feel confident to hit the power when some of the understeer kicks in ) or if the setup is neutral (just bites into the apex, no oversteer, no understeer, just bites into the apex) which is what I like the car to do most.

You can adjust your driving style but its more about adaptation and not changing your way of thinking about how you want the car to react under certain situations. You still think the same but you usually have a bit of conscious thought like "Well, the car understeers a bit too much for my liking, wait till it bites in" or "It oversteers too much, must be gentle with my applications and use minimal lock". That kind of thing but you can't go from having Senna's(R.I.P.) throttle stabbing technique to having Schumacher's ultra smooth throttle modulation .

Also, there is one major factor and thats how long you've been using a particular driving style. I'll give you an example of what I mean. When I used to race in the 2007 R4R Stock Cup where I drove an XRT, I loved the car and it seemed to love me too but after practicing for a while, my throttle technique started to change quite drastically. I'm a NA man really, FZR, Single Seaters, they're my kind of cars so I was used to using the throttle modulation technique for quite some time but when I got used to the turbo in the XRT, I started being more aggressive with the throttle where I started to understand exactly when I was getting full boost from the turbo so I would hit the throttle hard and just let the boost build up while when I'd be driving the FO8 or FZR, I would put the power down smoothly. Anyway, point of the story is that after I raced in that league, I couldn't drive the NA cars properly. I'd always be exiting slow corners, having to do a slight correction because I hit the throttle too hard. Thankfully, its fixed now but point is that when you're used to driving in a certain way for a long time, its very hard to change it and then if you do, usually, hard to revert back. Thats how I felt anyway.

So my advice, head down to the Audi factory or call them up and tell them to change the car setup to suit your driving style more

Well, the RS4 is AWD so I'm sure it could handle the same power as the RS6. The RS4 has 420 HP which is pretty good . My advice is, throw the RS6 Avant engine into the RS4 and you've got yourself a proper Audi .

ah, the RS4, beautiful car really

nice car but it all depends on heavy it is and what kind of suspension and general setup adjustments of the car. I really don't get it though, why not make it into at least a Saloon car like the way all the special BMWs (M5, M6) are saloons but with tons of power. I mean, putting a powerful engine like that in an estate seems totally pointless. Good engine, heavy car and probably not very good aerodynamic design.

I'm getting the feeling that the German car makers have hired some US engineers. I mean, look at some of the US's V8s. For example, the new Mustang GT, it has a nice 300 HP engine and probably tons of torque but throw it up against an Evo or an Impreza and they'll just eat it up because of its shite car setup and aerodynamic design.

Last edited by Leprekaun, Wed 5 Sep 2007, 12:45.

no no, you lads got it all wrong. Its...

BRAZIW!!!