this is not a dictates but suggestions, you're always taking the extreme side of things..., as the community we have the right to give our opinion or suggestions, many of us was/still playing this game and we somehow keep this game alive, so the community is a full part of this game, that's why I said ignoring such important part is a big mistakes.
Now, no one know if the devs will take those suggestions as a dictate from lazy/failure people like you said, or a friendly advice, but hey there is no rules against so I presuming they are ok with that.
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this is how 3d industrie work, I explained it a bit for people wondering why they make so much times about content, like I said in the previous thread no one can change their mind about their own business, but I took the house exemple to explain how fastidious the work can be for only one man.
we are not talking about someone private project, but an massive multiplayer game where the community play an important role to keep the game alive, I think the devs are prepared to receive comments and suggestions, playing stubborn who don't care about what happen outside is the biggest of mistakes.
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You can make a track with any mainstream 3d software ( 3ds max, blender.... ), starting from google map data or CAD blueprint, using laserscan give the most accurate result but it's heavily expensive.
also the most difficult part of making a track is the amount of objects needed to make a nice moderne looking track, and the texturing part with the UVs things that give headache to every 3d artists even the most experienced one, because if you want to give a natural looking for your track, you need to work every transitions of textures between every part of the track, from sands to grass or from tarmac to grass, baking every object to give them fake shadows etc...
3D work it's a bit different from software programing, the more people you have the fast your project will reach completion, it's like building a house if you are alone you will make 8 years but if you are 5 you will make 1 year.
yea still infinished atm, but it's a mervelous thing for importing google map data and making the early layout ( Id like to have the same capablity into blender )!! you have only to export to an external 3d software and add details etc.
but I don't think that you can make a detailed physics mesh, btw an improvement to the lfs track in this area is very welcome.
one detailed average 3 mils track will take 6~8 month at least if there is only one man working on his free time ( this is what I think about eric situation ), there is no miracles about this if the devs won't increase their man powers they will take years to make 3/4 tracks/cars.
I think the actual LFS physics is good enough to create an average general profil about a classe of car ( fwd/rwd.... ), but why scawen went into the new physics development ? I think it's because when you add the real cars data into the actual engine it will act weird in some situation, yes you can tweak some parametre to make them acte more natural but you will not get the best result and you will save alot of time later when you want to make another real/fictional car.
you have all the right to ask such question, if this discussion keep calm and respectful ( not for long time though ).
I think the actual LFS physics is good enough to create an average general profil about a classe of car ( fwd/rwd.... ), but why scawen went into the new physics development ? I think it's because when you add the real cars data into the actual engine it will act weird in some situation, yes you can tweak some parametre to make them acte more natural but you will not get the best result and you will save alot of time later when you want to make another real/fictional car.
you have all the right to ask such question, if this discussion keep calm and respectful ( not for long time though ).
and many of them are ripped from Assetto corsa.
EDIT : is those mods working online or ?
EDIT : is those mods working online or ?
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thanks for the news Scawen!
Looking forward to the new reflection system!
and it's better if you can make them advanced enough to simulate fresnel effect, diffuse, specular, blurriness etc.... is not easy task, but it will give the lfs cars a even nicer look. 
As for the tracks shaders, improving shadows rendering, making a normal map system and multi layering textures will be enough to make the track look awesome for a start!
Yes I can't help my self! as a 3d amateur artiste I'm quite happy with every little graphical improvement!
Looking forward to the new reflection system!
and it's better if you can make them advanced enough to simulate fresnel effect, diffuse, specular, blurriness etc.... is not easy task, but it will give the lfs cars a even nicer look. As for the tracks shaders, improving shadows rendering, making a normal map system and multi layering textures will be enough to make the track look awesome for a start!
Yes I can't help my self! as a 3d amateur artiste I'm quite happy with every little graphical improvement!
Wait a sec! we spoke only about graphics and the benefits/cons of steam business modele, it's you and cargame.nl who start thinking that we are bashing lfs and praising AC, calm down guys! don't throw your hate attitude at use so easily, your extremism are making you blind about some obvious truths.
don't you like to see LFS with better graphics and more content ? so we can enjoy even more the acutal mp system, and with more people to have racing more often compared to the actual situation with almost only cruise servers, it's obvious that we can't change the devs mind with only that, but it's not prohibitive to make some suggestions and discussion about LFS future, isn't it ?
it has actually pit stop only in the multiplayer.
look like the success of AC are pissing off some people here
, but you like it or not it's still a good example to how a platform play a great role to make your game successful even if you are independent.I compared LFS to AC with my mind set on the 3D side, but instead you improve the debate with respectful discussion, you picked the opportunity to start a bashing campaign toward AC, and this "joke" is still a sim even without a proper netcode, many people including myself are enjoying this game as we enjoy what LFS have good to offer.
don't you think it's time to grow up and stop treat people with names, what on earth did i said to being treated 'kid'?, this is not a hate thread toward LFS to being so quickly pissed off, so please don't start a flame war and pollute this thread every time.
it's already huge for the weird mp system of AC, LFS have better netcode but there is no much activity in the public racing servers compared to AC.
and at first I used to compare AC and LFS on the artistic side, because AC never pretend to be a massive multiplayer game and never will be ( until stefano improve his skill on mp coding ).
I meant shaders stuff etc... maybe it's like the AC editor idk.
no you can't make quickly a detailed track with only 1 artist, even with a team of 3 or 4 you can take 2 or 3 months to finalise a normal track with 5 km length, and don't forget all the cars update etc...
of course any lonely artist can do every thing by himself, but it will take ages and people those days are not willing to wait any longer.
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Eric can take the role of the artists group leader, the one who care about the work integration into the game engine, because he's used to work with the tools needed for LFS.
LFS is a Multiplayer "game" and in this moderne era if you want to advertise your product you need to look where the players are the most active, and like I said they don't have to make such move without putting some effort to bring some attractivity in this game, even with fictional cars and tracks if they are well made it will be enough with the solid multiplayer system of LFS.
as for the money subject, let's be honest did you got your s2 for free ? no, sure at the beginning they started this project to make living with their passion but back then players base was pretty easy to satisfy compared to now, and since 2008 the motivation was dropping drastically for some unknown reason, maybe the tires physics was too big for a task for scawen or they needed to change air and stopping development of lfs for some times, no one know the exacte truth about that, but in the end what I'm trying to say is even if you are truly passionate about your job you can't reach something like a moderne simulation without a big income to get licensed cars, track, and the most important things is to hire people to help you to expend your game or to give you fresh idea and advice when you are struggling with a problem.
IMO what LFS really need now, is 2 or 3 artistes to update existing contenent and bring new one, to get new players and make them occupied with that until scawen will finish the imporvement of the core game, if you look at other small indi studios the majore part of the team are graphics artistes, and only one or two people have to deal with the core game development ( juste like LFS ), because the 3d work is the longest process in game development especialy when you aim to make something big.
this is just our oppinion, only the devs have the key to make LFS moving forward, we have only to wait for now, and sorry for my english!
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have a nice day.
have a nice day.
intensity =/= cruise.
hey don't you think we have already numerous cruise server around ? maybe you will attract more people if you think to another concept, Rallycross for example with track rotation or somthing else.
anyway good luck.
hey don't you think we have already numerous cruise server around ? maybe you will attract more people if you think to another concept, Rallycross for example with track rotation or somthing else.
anyway good luck.
why not.
more money to motivate the devs, more drivers to race with, what else ? maybe that will bring some kids crashers, but hey they existed since forever in LFS.
it's ok for me anyway, but I think devs will see it somehow like losing controle on their product, but who know maybe they will change their opinion on this subject, and tbh I'd like to see them finish what they started now ( S3, graphics enhancement, physics ) and update all cars and track to the new standard in a nearly future before any risky move in a unknown territory.
more money to motivate the devs, more drivers to race with, what else ? maybe that will bring some kids crashers, but hey they existed since forever in LFS.
it's ok for me anyway, but I think devs will see it somehow like losing controle on their product, but who know maybe they will change their opinion on this subject, and tbh I'd like to see them finish what they started now ( S3, graphics enhancement, physics ) and update all cars and track to the new standard in a nearly future before any risky move in a unknown territory.
like always, it's easy to say but hard to make.
raise tu FFB overall force by 10 or 15% compared to the previous version.
Thanks for the patch, I also tried on my laptop with an I5 4200m and Nvidia 720M and my fps's there up from 80 to 115 !!
on my desktop PC my fps's seem locked to 333 most of time, so I didn't noticed any difference from the previous versions.
how many things still todo until you go into official release ?
on my desktop PC my fps's seem locked to 333 most of time, so I didn't noticed any difference from the previous versions.
how many things still todo until you go into official release ?
thanks for the test patche work like a charm for me.
and the experimental shadow/reflection/shaders system! we can't get enough of those!
and the experimental shadow/reflection/shaders system! we can't get enough of those!
because the screen of your laptop is directly connected to the IGP of your CPU (the HD intel), not the same on desktop pc's when the dedicated GPU have their own slot to plug the screen (VGA,DVI,HDMI....).
a dedicated GPU work on laptops like a co-GPU to transfer heavy task from the Intel IGP, that's why you can't disable the intel HD from the bios... eh it's hard to explain with my english.
but you can set the default from the Nvidia Control panel:
3D Settings->Manage 3D Settings
Tab "Global settings"
Preferred Graphics Processor
Select : High performance NVIDIA processor
a dedicated GPU work on laptops like a co-GPU to transfer heavy task from the Intel IGP, that's why you can't disable the intel HD from the bios... eh it's hard to explain with my english.
but you can set the default from the Nvidia Control panel:
3D Settings->Manage 3D Settings
Tab "Global settings"
Preferred Graphics Processor
Select : High performance NVIDIA processor
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