Quote from Pablo Donoso :

According to Newman Haas Racing, their test center said that IRL cars can produce enough downforce to drive on the roof of a tunnel, without falling, @ around 100mph.

Well...people do say that Indy is crazy

Too bad these are sprint races. I wish the races would be longer but oh well

(PS, I got my questions answered)

Excuse me but exactly when is the races in regards to GMT?

Last edited by lizardfolk, Wed, 1 Jul 2009 01:39.

Quote from Pilchje3369 :

we are gonna set out to plan enduros every 3 or 4 months so we all get a good break in between. This is the 2nd of many more enduro events to come so im sure there will be one which will be good for you date wise

WONDERFUL, I've always wanted to compete in a 24h but this one's timing is off for me.

Glad that you folks will do it again in the fall/winter You can bet I'll be there when the time comes

Dammit I can't make it. Too bad this isn't in the fall or winter. Are you going to have another similar enduro event then?

Alright I'm interersted this time. I hear the next season is starting up. When are you guys going to start the next season?

I am interested in entering the 350
- FZR
- Pilot : 0 lizardfolk
- Team Clockwork Motorsports

(PS, plz give me a msg if Race 1 is cancelled)

Last edited by lizardfolk, Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:45.

Hey, a long time ago I saw a video with a very neat IndyCar intro. I think it was Milka Duno's qualifying run for the 07 or 08 Indy 500.

I'm not interested in Duno herself so to speak but I would like to see that intro again...unfortunately I could not find that video or any other IndyCar video with that intro.

It's an older intro around 07 or 08 and it shows a CGI IndyCar on a speed test treadmill and cuts to real IndyCar footages with epic orchestrated music.

If someone can find that intro (idc what video is about i just need the intro), I would appreciate it

Lizard

EDIT: Ah, I think the intro was in Milka Duno's 2007 Indy 500 qualifying highlights that was on youtube. If anyone can find that video that would be great

Last edited by lizardfolk, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:53.

Quote from racer hero :

I'm pretty sure thats what they did in the KY250, the system gives a DT, but they cleared it and had them start at the end of the longest line. This is also what happens in NASCAR.

Yes, but during the XSCC R1, they just gave people the DT. Again, that's too harsh IMO and it should be at the end of the longest line

Personally I think it's not reasonable to expect people to just not pit especially when they have a large amount of damage when a caution comes out

Instead of a DT (which is too harsh imo), Y dont you enforce that the people who pit while the pits are closed will have to start at the tail end of the line.

This have people avoid pitting right when the caution comes out to take advantage of it and it'll be reasonable to those who were involved in an accident and their cars are rendered almost undriveable

At the risk of sounding patronizing I have to ask everyone to calm down a little. It is rather unfortunate that Jeffy's marvelous words before the race fell on deaf ears as everyone just scrambled as if the race was only 20 laps anyway. Personally I am still very very frustrated and like many here I want justice (my race lasted one straight and half of T1 for godsake!!!!). However, I took a step back decided to hold my tongue about this incident or any of other clockwork's incidents that saw all three of us get into someone else's mess.

So...why am I bring this up? Very simple, this is gradually turning into a witch hunt. Although we're all not yelling "off with their heads" yet, I ask you (and the admins) to be cautious on reviewing these incidents. Many of these are really just racing incidents...sure you can argue that you must be careful. But keep in mind, we're in a 30 car oval race with no spotters. This is the main thing, no spotters. Which means what we have left is just our senses and intuition. That's really quite insane when you think about it. I mean sure, you can diligently look, but unless you are racing in chase view the entire race there is really no way that you can be 100% sure of where everyone is around you. Unless of course we have a competent spotter...which we dont.

So what happens? This is a long race, after a while we start to use our intuition much more than actual looking, then from this we start assuming and it is the assuming that's what gets people wrecked. But tbh, what are we really suppose to do? No competent spotter and our only means of driving safetly is just looking around? This would probably cut it if it's 10-20 competitiors but we're looking at 30 cars and all of which are competently fast...We're all human who've been basically thrown in the dark with the pack scrunched up going 3 and sometimes 4 wide. Mistakes, I'm not excusing stupid mistakes or suicide runs, but honest and reasonable mistakes will be made. We're not psychics, and heck most of us aren't real racecar drivers and even the pros on oval make the same mistakes that some people made during the 500

I've gotten the feeling early on that racing incidents were being viewed as deliberate wrecking or incompetency in the practice sessions, and I've talked to Clockwork guys about this as well, but I'm breaking the silence now because things have gotten so heated recently. Angry that your race was unjustly cut short? Unfortunately, that's just the nature of oval racing. One mistake, nay one unlucky situation and you're out. Look at some of the NASCAR/IndyCar wrecks and you'll see similar if not identical wrecks in the 500 (as well as the finger pointing and frustration that follows).

Of course, some wrecks are inexcusable. I'm not saying that everyone was just involved in unavoidable racing incidents and no one's to blame for anything. But, again, all I'm saying is to just not blur the line between incompetency and hard racing gone wrong however fine that line may be.

Lizard

Last edited by lizardfolk, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:17.

Quote from Pablo Donoso :

The SCCA sanctioning body will revoke anyone's race license for any class for pulling that stunt in any other league other then Nascar, that is if they are caught doing it. It is in the rules, and forbidden, not to mention dangerous.

The rule covers it like this "intentional contact with intention to gain position by means of an unfair advantage." (sorry the SCCA loves to sound like lawyers, everything has to be specifically worded or people would try to get out of race infractions by some technicality lol)

I've seen touring cars bumpdraft before...BTCC specifically although I forgot who it was as I dont watch BTCC enough to be able to recite drivers by memory.

Also...again...bump drafting first STARTED from the SCCA in a touring truck race. I dont think that the SCCA completely disallowed it. Case in point it's allowed in Spec Miata:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_GvSqrov0c

Quote from Pablo Donoso :

Besides, people that bump draft usually are the ones blocking or crashing others, because they don't have good sportsmanship skills, if they did, they wouldn't be doing that. I'm not singling anyone out though, that is just from my own observations.

What's wrong with blocking? Much like bumpdrafting as long as it's done in a reasonable fashion i see absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to defend your line.

I'm sorry if I dont want to be a compete sitting duck and automatically give the inside line if I'm fast enough to hold it.

Falkes can you make an AUS template for the LFSCART?

But besides that here's Test Driver's #62

Quote from TFalke55 :

If lizard is okey with this, you can take his car together with his number, as #61 belongs to Clockwork Motorsports. For the Clockwise 300 lizard can join again.

Ya team signs up the numbers.

Luke you are now in the 61. Falkes james used to have the 102. I would like to retain that number in case he would come back or if there's three people entering for the 300.

I'm still thinking if I'll make a return (which i might cause it's an oval anyways) so I would like to hold that number for Clockwork.

If everything's ok here's the new confirmed lineup:
http://clockworkmotors.freeforums.org/post610.html#p610

If any other clockwork members would like to return I'll update asap

Quote from TFalke55 :

Sign ups are reopening now with new entry requirements:

you need to be within 103.5% within the world record on two (2) of the upcoming tracks or you need to have participated in the New Dimension Racing 2009 Kyoto 500 Qualifying session.

Your sign up is only taken, when announced officially. The LFSCART administration has got the right to refuse someone's entry. With these words Sign-Ups are reopened...

I am beyond frustrated right now. My K500 was 1 straight and half of T1. Not much of a race . I've lost my motivation to continue and I've just about had it with this horrible luck that's followed me ever since I started Clockwork.

I'm going to sit out for the rest of LFSCART but I will like to participate in the final Clockwise 300 race if Falkes permits.

But for now...car 61's seat will be empty:

http://clockworkmotors.freeforums.org/post610.html#p610

Last edited by lizardfolk, Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:21.

What was the article's complaint?

Quote from chanoman315 :

His brother saw the accident, he was his teammate...

Ah I didn't know who that was so I refrained from identifying him. Ty for that clarification

Quote from Shadowww :

It is. Unlike techno, which isn't. Techno "music" is bunch of beats, and no way it's music.

I disagree, Chiptune which is considered a subgenre of techno is pretty much music that pays tribute to the 8-bit music of old video game systems. They are quite awesome for 8-bit game nostalgia (i.e. old mario) fans.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp6612hD970

Quote from Rappa Z :

I think it was $53 when I bought it.

It still pisses me off that i had to spend about $20 extra for the same game, and license when my roommate got it for about $33 at one time

Quote from CSF :

I will have a 1l bottle of Jagermeister ready for a party after the 500... hmm tempting...

Pffff it's the Kyoto 500. I'll be preparing a bottle of milk after the finish

Quote from DragonCommando :

I've seen bump drafting many times in racing, not just in Nascar. The problem with drafting that close is that you don't get enough air through the radiator, the car will overheat very quickly.

Yeh, overheating is a major issue with bumpdrafting as bumpdrafting isn't just mindlessly slamming into the back of someone and unfortunately engine temperature isn't a factor in LFS

Quote from buck77 :

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what did I say wrong??

is it inapropriate to say THANK YOU PLEASE here?

and chupar me bolas is not a good thing to say as well...

could some one please explain this to me?!
im sad right now!

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Quote from pik_d :

I'm fairly certain that the formula cars are eventually getting an update where the (front?) wings can brake off if they're damaged (too much?). I can't back this up because I don't know where I would even find the quote, but I'm pretty sure I'm remembering correctly.

Hullef#$ingllujah!!!!

(BTW touring trucks: http://www.rangerpowersports.c ... m/showthread.php?t=245597)

Quote from Pablo Donoso :

Yeah it's a tactic that came out of Nascar,

Actually that's not true. It's actually came from the Archer Brothers in the SCCA Sportruck series during the late 1980s. It was first made famous in ARCA by Frank Kimmel and NASCAR drivers started using it after Kimmel. But since NASCAR is so well known people assume that bump drafting came out of NASCAR and oval racing when in fact it didn't.

So in essence it's a tactic that came out of an SCCA touring trucks series (a discipline that never took off for some reason)

Quote from pik_d :

Of course bump drafting in formula cars is only possible due to the shortcomings in LFS damage model, but that will eventually be fixed. Until then you should just join in and enjoy the ride.

This actually does annoy me and hopefully the damage model will be improved in the near future.