Quote from PMD9409 :

Yeah, I was meaning family teams as like father/son owning/driving it.

Stanton Barrett?

Ya I understand what you mean now, I mean Scott Speed is now behind Andretti by 1 point in 36th. LOL, with Andretti's reliability no corporate team should really be behind even if it is 1 point

Hmm I looked at my own incident again and I looked at some videos where wrecks like mine happened.

Basically in RL, the axis if the front wheels break or bends (along with the chassis) due to the impact. We have all seen how extreme the LFS chassis can bend (without breaking) but the wheels are floating in the air.

I think what I want isn't too difficult to incorporate.

Have the axis bend with the chassis and have that "unrepairable" (which it really isn't in RL in a short amount of time).

I think another problem is that the chassis and the wheels are sorta independent from each other. I see chassis and wheel merging without any consequences as well as the chassis going through the wheel.

I think I'll make a list:

*Axis damages by bending or breaking (in which the wheel doesnt spins anymore)
*Crushed chassis will wrap around the wheel or "hinders" the wheel
*Actual engine damage
*Pit repairs (or removes) damaged sections of the chassis, repair tire damage, and maybe other minor things but nothing major like broken suspension, broken axis, damaged engines etc.
*Extend pit repair time for damage. 50 seconds to completely repair a severely damaged suspension? Sorry no...

I think with these 4 things incorporated I can have what i want in terms of damage. There is almost no way for any sim to full cover every single wreck situation and emulate it completely realistically. But are these 4 things so much to ask?

I personally dont think so but feel free to prove me wrong.

Alright, many of you know who I am, therefore many of you will also know that I dont usually complain about the game too much (unless it comes to damage models :razz. However, I would like to ask the community it's thoughts on the current LFS pits model and I would like to ask what would be needed to change to make LFS more "realistic" in terms of damage from crashes and how the pits handle them

Basically my problem is this:

During the Dystonia 350 race yesterday, I cut a tire and went straight into the wall. I was driving the FZR (but a engine damaged FZR so I was going 10 mph slower than usual). Now, after that wreck my car was almost undriveable, but still going....ok fine.

I went into the pits and it took about 50 seconds to make my car completely new again (apart from the engine damage as pits doesnt repair that).

Does this seem realistic to you that the pits can literally repair absolutely anything?

I mean my incident almost mirrors this crash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkpxSu5oJeg

The only difference was that my tire blew during the turn instead of at the exit of the turn and I didn't hit the inside wall (although I would have if Kyoto was as tight as Bristol so that's pretty realistic ). That car immediately retired after that crash....however, I was able to get the car repaired in just over 50 seconds and came back out like nothing had ever happened. I was even able to come out of the pits with just one lap down.

I've seen people retire from much lighter wrecks than that and this as got me thinking.

Should the pits just magically repair everything and the car will run like nothing had ever happen to it? I know if the pits had a stricter repair model that it would suck for people to get into wrecks that wasn't their fault and retire due to too much damage....BUT....isn't that a big part of racing as well?

Also, my contact with the wall was pretty severe and yet I was fully able to continue. I went straight into the wall at 162 mph...why was I able to continue? Should the car axis damage be incorporated? Is it engine damage that wouldn't allow the car to continue? What features would have to be introduced in order for me to mimic Jeff Burton's situation in which I just had to retire and couldn't possibly continue?

Last edited by lizardfolk, Sun 12 Jul 2009, 20:52.

Isn't DEI a family organization?

NASCAR redbull front row and F1 redbull front row?

BTW I'm not happy about the 82 qualifying that well...it means greater potential for Speed to outscore Andretti this race (which might mean Andretti falling out of the top 35 in owner's points)

Quote from hansonator69 :

Red Bull is the biggest joke ever. The reliability of their Toyota's is abolsute crap, but they do have pace and one decent driver (Brian Vickers) but one big wrong decision they made was to let go of AJ Allmendinger when he was getting around that steep learning curve.
Oh and supposedly they're considering switching to Chevy's next year. (from Jayski)

Ehhhh, ur right that they should start to improve since MWR's toyotas have been improving (and improving tremendously I might add). As for a total joke, I wouldn't call them that, they still somewhat qualify although with the 82's current record they are behind Andretti's 34 in points (which...is actually pretty bad considering Andretti's horrible reliability). But...look at Blackjack Motorsports...the 51 car has only qualified for 1 of all it's attempts (which is actually most of the past races so far). IDK if it's Dexter Bean's fault or if Blackjack's car is just that crappy...but in either case they are a complete failure as a team overall...something RedBull hasn't managed to do yet.

Although getting rid of Allmendinger was a bad idea...an F1 driver over a ChampCar driver? Seems logically enough eh? But what they forgot was they are trading Allmendinger for Speed (LOL)

Last edited by lizardfolk, Sat 11 Jul 2009, 07:59.

Quote from SparkyDave :

Is it not best to let them have a battle and not to ram either of them??

on the oval? At your expense? NO WAY If i can help the person in front of be pass the guy faster and...better yet, get me to go along with him you can bet I'll do it.

Quote from SparkyDave :

I just dont get how some people cant see the fact you shouldnt contact other cars!!! especially when they are in a battle for position

If this was single seater racing I would completely agree. But if you are referring to touring cars and stock cars I wouldn't. Contact is a part of closed wheel racing...especially oval stock car racing.

It's an entirely different set of discipline and circumstance and it's unwise to compare the two imho. (i.e. the example I just showed you). I mean after all you wouldn't apply the same standards that you mentioned above to rallyX or CORR off road trucks. Just as well you shouldn't apply single seater standards to other different sets of disciplines.

Racing is racing but racing is vast and no one set of conduct will be able to apply to all forms of racing. Unless your talking about having good sportsmanship (i.e. no malicious contact as in pit maneuvers, squeezing or "schumacher" blocks), but good sportsmanship should be there in any sports or games regardless so I see that as a given

Last edited by lizardfolk, Fri 10 Jul 2009, 07:04.

IDK .... it's too early to tell whether MWR will dominate NASCAR in the future to fully mirror BAR's situation. But they both mirror each other's beginnings.

With both Ambrose and Reutimann behind better equipment perhaps we'll see them winning sometime soon

Would BAR be considered as the same team as honda? Even though BAR became Honda I thought that Honda became a different team so to speak in terms of techniques and management? If that's the case then it's a different team in my book.

MWR is still MWR. They changed their car format a little bit because they are co-operating the 47 with JTG...but all in all it's still MWR.

Bahhhh!!! MechWarrior.....I was a Starsiege fan. Oh gone were the glory days of the Earthsiege/Starsiege and MechWarrior rivalries that produced great mech squad games.....

Anyway I'm mildly curious as Starsiege:2845 completely flopped...we're let with no more modern mech games unless you consider chrome hounds and exteel as games worth mentioning.....

Still...I'm more interested in the korean game Metal Rage. I just pray a playable version comes out soon as most free to play korean games have that retarded KSSN requirement.......and that korean f2ps typically takes years to develop an international or english friendly version

Metal Rage: http://m.youtube.com/watch?des ... IBxKKpk&v=TVVbIBxKKpk

Quote from The Very End :

I find bump drafting easy, but you need to take the bumps really carefully in the tin tops. A hard nudge + lag will give you your ride of your life!

I've only truly bumped with the FO8, xrt and fzr.

Bumping with the FO8 was very easy for me. But the XRT was pretty tricky as it's so easy to loose it while bumping. It's timing the bump that's tricky and the car in front of you has to be smooth or else a wreck will ensue. You can't bump...nay...even nudge hard or else you'll loose it. I've ruined my own race before just because I was bumping too hard and being as how the XRT is so fricking unstable on the oval.....well....that was that. FZR is hell for bumping, and with the oval wall suddenly becoming a black hole that draws your car in like a vortex I wouldn't say it's easy or easier than standard draft and pass.

Of course this is all on the oval....

Last edited by lizardfolk, Thu 9 Jul 2009, 09:38.

So it's another cold race?

Quote from Pablo Donoso :

rofl relax bro, we're not whining, t's just people discussing how an unfair advantage makes each of us feel, some are for it, other's are against it, but nobody here is whining, lol that's what you see in MySpace forums because half the time it's down for maintenance.

The only thing that's unfair about bumpdrafting is that it takes two skilled drivers to do it and not everybody comes in groups like CoRe :P

Seriously, most of the time I don't bump because each time I bump I loose it. Laugh all you want but if you can bump the car in front of you and not loose it yourself at any section of the track then I will applaud your skill. Each time I bump on the oval I'm usually sucked to the outside wall...it's just how the aero works. It's so much easier to get the draft and slingshot pass.

Its not as simple as slaming into the guy in front of you.

This is of course if we are talking about tin tops. With single seaters I don't bump in any circumstance

Contact is just a part of tin top racing. Specifically, stock cars and touring car racing. Bump drafting was created in touring car (well trucks but w/e) and it will continue to be a part of it. You can't apply single seater standards to it just like you can't apply single seater standards to rallycross or CORR.

It's **Lizardfolk as I'm participating as a Clockwork Member

PS: 12 FMs.....wow.......I'm going to drown in an FM sea

Quote from Danny LFS :

This would be really crazy, because maybe some people can make a FZR do FO8 times on some tracks, so... IT'LL BE THE BEST EFFING RACE EVER, TO BE HONEST!

Tbh, your other leagues aren't bad ideas. I was personally interested in the Turbo Sports at Kyoto and the Pan-Euro XR League

If it's well organized it could be great fun.

But the "Race of the Century" is not going to work....sorry. Before you ask why or even try to defend it. Let me just give you this thought.

Why would anyone want to compete in the UF1 if the UF1 and BF1 are scored together.

In all honesty you and Belgian Starters should focus on more rational events and leagues

Female Body Inspectors (Aussie team), have made a deal with Clockwork to partner up for the rest of LFSCART.

FBI and Clockwork are still separate teams outside of LFSCART

I actually wouldn't like to see Truex go to MWR. Mainly because Carpentier was once linked with MWR...

Now it appears that Carpentier isn't going to have a stable ride anymore. I mean he has the 36...but Baldwin racing's been a mess after Scott Riggs left.

MWR is doing great tbh. Especially after a disastrous and embarrassing maiden season. I remember MWR's fail back then reminded me of BAR's fail in F1 lol. Fortunately looks like they wont follow BAR's road to oblivion

Congrats ken

Quote from EliteAti :

What are you talking about? your ultrabeta LFS Race Simulator is doing it wrong

Dont worry Ati I doubt this guy is really serious

Wow....


COUNT ME IN!!!!

I'm very impressed with Regan Smith. Rookie of the year with no DNFs and he STILL doesnt have any DNFs despite being with Furniture Row (a team known for equipment failures )

Clockwork Motorsports is interested in joining

I would like Clockwork to be renamed to:

FBI-Clockwork Motorsports

Quote from zeugnimod :

I'd rather watch a race without crashes but with a lot of clean racing and passing than a race with a grid full of idiots wrecking each other.

LOL ARCA

Quote from Mustafur :

Ill just say I don't agree on your views with Shumacher at all but lets just leave it at that becuase this isn't the topic.

Nascar is completey different to Circuit racing.

What i ment was, its allowed in a way because any contact made from anywhere apart from the back of the car is sure to make a 10 car+ pile up and in 90% of the cases no one will be punished because it would be unfair to with such slight contact when doing speeds of close to 200MPH.

When there are 40 plus cars going around an oval at 200mph with Huge heavy highly powerful Cars it creates a great specatcle.

Racing incidents on the oval is very easy to misjudge and say "ZOMG THAT WAS INTENTIONAL" Sometimes things that happen on the oval is just a racing incident even if something like that will never happen on circuits short of being intentional.

And if you start regulating it to death (which I think NASCAR is but that's a different topic). Then you'll loose that wild nature that is oval racing. Contact is just a part of stock car racing just as it's a part of touring car as well.

Quote from G!NhO :

Well crashes make a race enjoyable to watch.

Speak for yourself I was pissed off when I heard that Andretti was involved in the mess that wasn't his doing

Ok then I took ur comment out of context and I apologize.

I don't speak for him but I believe that mustafur was using hyperbole. Nascar is quite strict on contact (they issue warnings for bump drafting wtf...) but a lot of people are unhappy that nascar doesn't do anything about the last minute blocks/wrecks.

In all honestly, there isn't much you can do and it all comes down to individual drivers. Kyle Busch is the kind to go big or go home. And you can't punish people for just having that kind of personality.

But if you regulate it to death (which strangely is what a lot of people seem to want). Then you'll loose that wild characteristic that oval racing is known for.

I say leave it, if you want to pull a schumacher block, then you face the consequences (which Busch did). I personally don't understand the controversy, if stewart got taken out instead of busch then that would warrant the controversy but he didn't...

Last edited by lizardfolk, Mon 6 Jul 2009, 09:56.