Quote from MAGGOT :

It's not so much to do with the racing as it is to do with what Trans-Am was and should be. Trans-Am isn't for stock car racing; NASCAR and ASA Can do that. Trans-Am was for muscle cars duking it out on the track.

Could you explain a little of what Trans-Am is now (the 2009 season). AFAIK, the series reboot with only the GT1 class and the GTA class isn't there anymore.

You say the GT1 cars in Trans-Am currently are only "stock cars" with GT bodies?

I'm assuming everyone's running 34-35s?

Hey victor, can you make Timdpr admin of the I-SCAR section? Thanks

It does seem that Grand-Am is doing better in the sportscar petigree with it's KONI and Rolex. But why do you feel that the stock car class didn't belong there (except for the fact that they were obviously amateurs)

The racing seemed to be pretty cool (although I only watched 3 trans am races that had the stock car class)

Does anyone remember the Trans-Am series back in 2005 and relaunching in 2009?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... 6D901EA07AB04&index=0

Just curious on thoughts of anyone who watched it. It was very interesting to see GT racing with a stock car class (The GTA class are essentially ASA stock cars). I wonder if anyone has been following the Trans-Am if they might bring the GTA stock car class back or if the stock cars were too much trouble for the GTs.

Quote from alland44 :

I will not comment on the chinese part. They aren`t ready for that, over there.

I live in the United States thank you very much...(pretty obvious with my NASCAR/IndyCar posts tbh)

Quote from h3adbang3r :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-Yl2Yr8xo
Do you see anyone getting penalised? No. Bump drafting IS legal in some racing disciplines. None of them thinks that it is cheating. Are they all sick in the head too?

It started in closed wheel racing (specifically SCCA Touring Trucks here in the states) and became a legitimate tactic for almost all closed wheel racing on tarmac. Watch NASCAR, ARCA, Stock Car Brasil, BTCC, SCCA, and you'll see bumpdrafting. Heck I even remember seeing it in FIA GT and WTCC.

So is the entire closed wheel motorsports world cheaters?

Last edited by lizardfolk, Mon 17 Aug 2009, 01:07.

My god...what software did you use? 3DS Max? Blender?

Thank you so much for taking the time and creating this wonderful ticker

I have relinquished the #102 and have updated the lineup:

http://clockworkmotors.freeforums.org/post610.html#p610

I'm returning Falkes

Quote from alland44 :

I feel so sad when people lack words.

I could report this, or I could wait for an apology !?
I really dont`t find this a correct way of discussing matters, do you dawesdust_12 ??

I'm pretty sure racism isn't as well...

Wonderful finish for Papis, and a decent run for Lally...

Happy Andretti wound out 30th

Fairly happy

Quote from UncleBenny :

OT: Does the IRL race in the rain? I feel like they would, but I can't think of it happening any time recently.

I uhh....actually dont know....I know they tried to race in the rain on the oval back in 1975...but that was a massive fail.

EDIT: Nvm, found a video on youtube and according to the video, they raced in the rain at St. Petersburg street in 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnXIKXc4P1U

Quote from AstroBoy :

And you just stated why Nascar can be interesting

Bah, controversy is overrated.

I watch NASCAR for the close fights and finishes and that is perhaps one of the few reasons why I watch NASCAR over F1. I want clean good competition. Not some gray area demolition derby racing... which is unfortunately the image that NASCAR has (warranted or unwarranted).

I dont mind contact. But I do mind malicious contact which is what Robbie Gordon is know for and it seems also what quite a few NASCAR fans root for...

Quote from Falcon140 :

I love Robby. He is the only driver with the balls to stand up to NASCAR, and 9 times out of 10 he's right.

Perhaps when he's bashing NASCAR's questionable calls on conditions...

But it's very different when it comes to his conduct and incidents on track. Remember when he threw a piece of debris on a track to force a caution? That was pure LOL!!!! He was even caught on red handed on camera doing it...

and not to mention is multiple take outs...spinning P.J. Jones, overly blocking Boris Said, brake checking Michael Waltrip, smashing Travis Kvapil, blatantly spinning out Marcos Ambrose, his laughable track conduct with David Stremme (although Stremme was also at fault for this as well) and more recently taking out Joey Logano during a caution...I'm sure there's many more but these are all i can remember of the top of my head

Quote from dadge :

contact happens in tip top racing.

Nuff said close thread please....

Quote from garph :

Meh, I would have thought bump drafting would not be allowed in leagues, things tend to me serious so I would have thought it would be a problem.

bumpdrafting is allowed and used in real life closed wheel series (NASCAR, ARCA, BTCC, WTCC, etc). That's as serious as you can possibly get with any racing series.

Quote from garph :

p.s. I have never heard of the iTCC so that means nothing to me.

Then you are seriously behind the 8-ball.

iTCC...is only one of the most pretigious closed wheel touring car series to land in LFS. I am surprised you didn't hear of it...they have loads of videos, discussions and praises from alien drivers.

Quote from Mustafur :

They should seriously add rain tires to the cup cars because this wait is soo long.

what can be risked here with rain tires really?

AFAIK, goodyear didn't develop rain tires to use on the CoT cup cars atm. Only rain tires are available for nationwide on road courses. However, I will agree with you that they definitely should start to give the cup cars rain tires/wipers/rear lights as they do in nationwide in Montreal.

Sure it may only be once a year...but Nationwide goes to Montreal once a year as well and that's really the only place they need it.

NASCAR's rained out oval races are annoying but unfortunately unavoidable. NASCAR road course rained out races are definitely avoidable imho..and to not do anything about it would be stupid of NASCAR

Quote from garph :

I'm pretty sure bump drafting would/is not allowed in league races so that really tells you everything you need to know.

It's allowed in iTCC (really nuff said), and it is also allowed in closed wheel oval leagues as well. There's probably some other TBO leagues where bumpdrafting is allowed but i cant think of any atm

Quote from Mustafur :

We'll see how well he does among the cup drivers

GO LALLY, ANDRETTI AND PAPIS!!!!

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

I'm not trying to say what I said wasn't right... but since when did my word have some sort of higher meaning than any other person's opinion on driving standards? I don't consider me to do anything better than anyone else, nor have any higher understanding of them.

Does anyone actually think I know what I'm talking about?

Whether the words are the result of a higher level of thinking or just merely a happy accident doesn't really matter.

Fact is, it is a very astute observation from you dustin. Whether that's characteristic of you or not doesn't really affect the validity of that particular statement.

Of course, anyone who believes that brake checking is ok while bumpdrafting is not shouldn't really be regarded as having a sound standard of racing. :rolleyes:

Dont get my point?

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Stop being retarded. Brake checking is a clear cut example of wrecking/dirty driving. Bump drafting (in closed wheel vehicles) is a perfectly valid strategy unless you do disadvantage the car in front.

Idiot.

There...dustin has made it absolutely clear. Get that through your thick head.

Quote from alland44 :

Its up to you, if you wanna cheat - You choose to - Me not.

Why is it cheating? What's so different between drafting and bumpdrafting? Both are a cooperative relationship that does not involve gaining an advantage at someone else's expense (which IS intentional wrecking)

Intentional wrecking is cheating, and brake checking (which apparently you are fine with) IS cheating.

Quote from alland44 :

Have a happy life in China mate !

...I live in the United States. Can you even refute my argument without being racist? If not, then I rest my case.

Last edited by lizardfolk, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 00:32.

Anybody else here thinks that Robbie Gordon is an idiot...

BTW Joey Logano has the best looking car in 2009: http://www.jayski.com/schemes/ ... tionwide/20nationwide.htm

Last edited by lizardfolk, Sat 8 Aug 2009, 22:50.

Quote from hansonator69 :

Marcos is 4th
Hopefully he wins Nationwide and Cup

Whooohooo, Max papis and Andy Lally both got in.

BTW nasty crash that Leffler had: http://www.nascar.com/video/bu ... high.prac.leffler.nascar/

Is that the new channels that people have?

Curious, is there a way to removed the 10 minutes video limitation on your account?

I know before all you needed to do was just make your account a "director" account but that doesnt work anymore.

Someone has told me that you'd have to contact youtube directly to get them to approve your account.

Does anyone know a sure way to get that 10 minute limitation removed from your account? Is it even possible anymore? If you are to contact youtube how would i contact them?