Quote from Vinnylegends :

Maybe for some people it is?
Ever thought about that?

How is that even a justification?

Anymore progress?

Quote from PMD9409 :

I wish I knew.

Anyone see Denny Hamlin slaughter Reutimann and Ambrose? Was very sad to see, and the best part is he doesn't get penalised for aggressive driving like Stremme.

@Benny - 2 words "Freaking lucky" - and have a nice weekend.

Yeh, that was screwed.

BTW Marcos Ambrose was sponsored by iRacing LOL!!!!!!

EDIT: Villeneuve might be in NASCAR this weekend: http://www.google.com/hostedne ... gd2KLHXgNuSzmB_hJdM9EFK3Q

Last edited by lizardfolk, Thu 6 Aug 2009, 01:23.

Quote from alland44 :

Try to "bump" my car, and I will hit the brakes !
Me and other danes, once drove with numberplates with this text "NO BUMP".

So brake checking someone is better than bumpdrafting?..... Either you haven't thought this through or you have some seriously screwed up standards...

If i see that on someone's car I will never bumpdraft that person.

However, if i see someone i know and that person is fine with bumpdrafting. You can bet I will bumpdraft and I will not let some no skill noob who has no friends or teammates tell me that it's cheating.

Only place where I can see bumpdrafting be outlawed based on principle is open wheels.

Quote from alland44 :

In all computergames, people looks after cheats, so they can win and feel divine. You can cheat all you want, my friend, but you are NOT using my car to do it !

Your way - Why not weld the cars together ???

Yes, you know what else people do in video games? intentional wrecking. Bumpdrafting is a grey area but if you brake check someone, that's malicious wrecking...no if ands or buts.

Bumpdrafting is a part of closed wheel racing. Does it get irritating that someone is winning because of good bumpdrafting? Sure...but it's no different from having a very good drafting partner. Learn to adapt to different disciplines of motorsports

Quote from The Very End :

Did I head the word RALLYPACK ?...

Did I hear MOAR OVALS + STOCKCAR

Quote from Thunderhead :

The one I made or the highlights video? If you're looking for mine then i can upload it...

It's this one: http://www.vimeo.com/2672428

Thank you Victor, much appreciated

Hello, I was wondering if there's a high-res download available of the iTCC promo video?

Quote from Victor :

alright, that's fair enough.

Victor...

I've given it a day and we've gotten quite a few sign ups already. Even if no more people sign up we will still go forward with this league.

So, I'll submit my request again.

I dont mean to be a pain, but this isn't a normal league. Due to it's modded status it is a nightmare for us organizers to try and set it up properly mainly cause we have to do so many things manually that LFS previously did automatically (such as client sync and skins).

The special rules for oval leagues are also an additional burden (and needs additional discussions).

The admins of I-SCAR have did their best to make sure that signed ups and potential competitors can transition between the normal LFS and modded LFS clients smoothly. Currently there's no hitch, but as time goes by, we will need to be able to sync skins, support threads (for any possible problems with the modded client) and discussions (setups, strategy) easily.

I think the relatively large amount of initial sign ups, as well as the lengths that the organizers went through to test before the annoucement, goes to show that we are very serious and dedicated to see this thing through.

So, victor, may be please have a section?

Quote from lizardfolk :

Hello Victor, there's a new league running.

May we have a subsection please?

name: I-SCAR
site: http://iscar.webs.com/

Mod: lizardfolk, 88Reasons, Smokey_4643

REPOST: updated banner

Also. If you decide to give us a section. Please put these two threads in the section

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=59990

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=59989

Sincerely,
Lizard

Last edited by lizardfolk, Sat 1 Aug 2009, 06:38.

A modded stock car series is now opened for signups: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=59989

Quote from Victor :

Your preparations are definately well on their way. But please try to find out first if there is enough interest. There are already quite a number of leagues with a section and I try to make sure that every league listed here is actually one that works. And leagues should not need a section here for them to work. If a league cannot exist without a forum section, then a forum section will not save it.
That is why I state in my first post in this thread that a league should already be running first.

Thanks,

Alright victor,

I guess I will announce the league without the section and see how many people are truly interested.

BUT, if we get quite a few sign ups within a week. I will submit another request. While it is true that a section will not save a league. I-SCAR is not a normal league. There will be (if there's interest) a need for multiple threads that would discuss the special rules, mod distribution, tires (completely new car, completely new tires), tracks, setups and even race strategies as the braking points for this car actually changes due to such a high amount of tire wear. (Stock cars are heavy).

In other words, this is a new territory for most of the LFS community and good hard discussions will be needed before and during the league.

However, I do understand your position and concern on interests. So, I'll announce the league and see how many sign ups will follow. But if this league were to take off, a section is important as it keeps things organized and simple...especially since this is a modded league.

Lizard

Last edited by lizardfolk, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 00:29.

Quote from Intrepid :

Most of the people that accuse Schumi of being a cheat have never stepping inside a motorsport arena. Motorsport is a dirty trick game FULL of people trying their best to beat YOU anyway possible. When people are spending millions or getting paid millions they will push it to the boundaries.

Then people "who realizes this" should complain about NASCAR bump and run moves.

I think there's a double standard being displayed by those F1 fanatics who defend Schumacher as "just following the dog eat dog world of motorsports" while bashing other motorsport's "questionable conduct" like Plato moves in BTCC or NASCAR's bumpdrafting or bump and runs.



Isn't the world just grand? :rolleyes:

Last edited by lizardfolk, Thu 30 Jul 2009, 22:19.

Quote from evilpimp :

Thats cuz they were on slicks though, if they had rain tires it would've been cool. Problem is, rain tires would get destroyed in abouttttttttttttt 5 laps if they're lucky imo :P

They were on slicks instead of real actual rain tires for a reason

Quote from el pibe :

thats why ovals are not fun.... racing + rain = awesome to watch.... but its lame when they have to stop because of a little shower...

Did you even watch that video I posted?....

How can anyone say THAT was fun....

Quote from tinvek :

better to stress the need to develope steadily and improve results year by year than doing a BAR and claim you're going to win your first race

Of course, there's Johnathan Summerton in A1GP...but idk how "prestigious" anyone would consider A1GP as F1 rejects such as Narain Karthikeyan, Alex Yoong and Vitantonio Luizzi have done very well in that series...

Again, US drivers are more focused on tin tops (GT and stock cars) than open wheel atm. Look at the drastic decline in Americans in IRL recently.

But let's look at the Americans who said no to USF1 right now:

Danica Patrick says no (and good for her imho, although she wouldn't exactly do better in NASCAR...)

Scott Speed says no (struggling in NASCAR barely holding on to his current team)

AJ Allmendinger says no (impressive in ChampCar, but just landed a stable ride in NASCAR...no reason to give that up tbh)

In the rest of the Indy field you have both Marco Andretti and Graham Rahal. Both are a bit too underdeveloped for F1 imho. They still have a lot to learn and polish before they get into Grand Prix racing

Finally, on the outside...you have A1GP's Johnathon Summerton, and NASCAR's Jeff Gordon and Kyle Busch. Summerton wasn't impressive in the A1GP field...a field that saw the likes of Alex Yoong, and Narain Karthikeyan see success. Then you have NASCAR...Kyle Busch is NOT A GOOD DRIVER imho. Way way too haphazard. Jeff Gordon has proven that he can keep an F1 car on track which is a lot more than I can say for a few other previous F1 hopefuls (Sakon Yamamoto, Yuji Ide). But Gordon's old and may not be motivated to get anywhere in F1.

So...when it comes to "americans" there's not exactly much to choose from...unless you want to now start drawing from the endurance/GT field...

But Jean Denis Deletraz won the 24h of Le Mans three times...

Quote from evilpimp :

Because they dont race in the rain... Now they do in some NASCAR series' on road courses so they have rain tires, they didn't before so it was all slicks... On oval it would be way too dangerous to race in the rain... Rain tires would get shredded in 2 secondes...

Yeah, due to some flak that NASCAR has gotten for shortening or delaying races because of rain, NASCAR has opted to add in the option of using rain tires/wipers/rain lights on road courses.

This first got put into motion in Montreal last year.

Ovals? Forget it...it's dangerous enough without the rain...anyone remember the indy 500 rain fail? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T95GgQJnOdM

Yeah...i'd rather have a race delayed than watch that...

Quote from tinvek :

i do actually know the difference, along with the fact that both marco and danica were from indycar rather than champ car. also the last us driver to win the indycar series was sam hornish jnr in the 2006 series that had only 3 road courses out of 14 rounds in it that year and in those 3 he finished no higher than 8th and behind danica in all 3 of them.

That's probably why F1 is so tentative in recruiting Indy people because Indy focuses a lot on ovals instead of circuits.

However, this has changed drastically since the merger so we'll see

Quote from Zay :

I dont think she'll have much succes in NASCAR if she makes the switch. I dont know why everybody thinks she is so great.

Well...if open wheel drivers such as Christian Fittipaldi, Jacques Villeneuve, Scott Speed and Patrick Carpentier completely flopped, IDK why she thinks she can best those group of people (ok...she's better than Scott Speed...but still).

Fisher's been there and done that and her failure in NASCAR should be a warning sign to Patrick.

Quote from Zay :

Of course,a very driver for being a female,but to me she is like a Marcos ambrose,not good,but not bad either. The simple fact of the matter is she just shouldnt even think about getting in to NASCAR,because she would go right back where she came from.

Marcos Ambrose is wonderful imho. In almost every single one of this races, he ran respectible...which is much more than I can say for someone like Scott Speed. Of course, Logano has outshined him a little bit...but Logano grew up in a stock car environment. Ambrose is from touring cars which is very different.

I give the man kudos for a successful season in MWR.

Quote from tinvek :

to be fair she has apparently being doing a lot of work to improve her road work and her overall performance. that sort of attitude will go a lot further with people in F1 than michael andretti's attitude did in 93 when he wouldn't believe he needed to do more and insisted on living in the US and "commuted" to test sessions and races. obviously with USF1 there won't be the distance problem but for any F1 driver to be really succesfull they need to dedicate themselves to the team almost on a daily basis so hopefully marco will learn from his father's mistake if he gets the chance.

....

I wonder when you Europeans will ever realize that CART (ChampCar) and IRL are not the same. Yes, American open wheel racing has a history of sending champions to F1 only to find out that they are rejects in the eyes of international motorsports. (For various of reasons that may or may not include a lack of talent).

However, most, if not all of these failures were from CART/ChampCar. IRL is as different from CART/ChampCar as F1 is to A1GP.

Take a quick look at the driver line ups/failures that were in F1:

Alex Zanardi = CART
Michael Andretti (lol) = CART
Sebastian Bourdais = ChampCar

Now...the success that F1/euro rejects had in American Open Wheel were also all CART/ChampCar. But the story isn't the same with Indy.

Robert Doornbos (he isn't a bad driver) = struggling in Indy but impressed in ChampCar
EJ Viso = struggling in Indy

The only people I'm aware of that did well in both series were Buddy Lazier and Gil de Ferran...non F1 people.

Now, I dont want to get into the argument of which open wheel series is better...(because frankly that's a very useless argument). But the difference is absolutely stunning imho and people always confuses the two. In fact, I can't think of any IRL driver given a chance or a ride in F1. Ryan Briscoe got a test but no Indy driver has even been invited in the F1 field. Hmmm...

Quote from PMD9409 :

Watch ARCA.

You mean Always Ready to Cause Accidents?

Quote from The Very End :

Haha, you win
Well, if the admin doesn't see that, and you don't get banned it's a win. Might a little selfish, but hell, you won didn't ya?

+1 vote ban

Quote from Victor :

Have you already done some test races and/or have you already got sign ups? In other words, is the league tested and ready to start for real? I cannot find any information on that.
The reason I ask is because I don't want to keep adding subsections for leagues that may not work. A subsection does not make a league successful and I do not want to clutter our forum with sections that become redundant quickly.

We've (AW and **) actually been discussing this league for quite a while now. We've been talking about servers, the mod, and tracks.

While we haven't done any online test races, each of the admins (and potential competitors who were interested) have tested the car and tracks offline.

I've also had a few people interested in the league asking me to reserve places and the admin list is basically set and burnsy was kind enough to offer us a server for league purposes (which is currently online now).

So I would say that we are reasonably prepared and ready to go. I would not have asked a section if otherwise. May we have a section please?

Quote from Vangaurd :

Hey mate just got your email and id love to join the team.


username:Vangaurd
nickname:Vangaurd
preferred car number:22
motorsports discipline: Race

Get back to me

Since this is an invitation there shouldn't be any problems. Go ahead and post in our official forums

Quote from mythdat :

Most likely is Gené, he at least won Le Mans this year

Jean Denis Deletraz has 3 Le Mans class wins...doesn't make his eligibility in F1 any better.

The idea that talent can "cover all grounds" or talented people can hop around is overrated....

Bourdais isn't bad. Have seen worse, and it isn't like Toro Rosso is the best environment/car to be in anyways. But it's all circumstantial and Bourdais' situation was highly circumstantial. I mean, look at Massa. He wasn't exactly impressive before going over to Ferrarri....and look at him now.

F1's weird like that

Quote from J@tko :

IIRC Bob made it have too much engine power as the transmission losses in LFS are bigger than IRL. So it has the same wheel bhp

Oooooh...ok glad to see it's accurate then.

Quote from AstroBoy :

Does anyone have the correct skin layout, i see all the black spots randomly on the skins. Mostly where it joins.

Yeah, I was going to see if I can make a small skin pack for the FXO.

Excuse me but I would like some clarification on the mod. I took a quick look at the engine specs and i'm slightly confused. Does 900 plus bhp seem a little too much power since a CoT's hp is 850? The rpms seems a bit right with 9,046 and I think bhp is lower than hp....

So idk...does it have too much power?