Quote from hansonator69 :

Wasn't his fault though, Newman hit Stewart first and then they both checked up and Ambrose couldn't react in time because it was so sudden.

Agreed, i see the crash more of a product of that stupid rule than any one driver being stupid or overzealous.

Quote from Mattesa :

Geographical lines are superficial. It's the cultural differences that count!

...I know...I didnt say that the Pakistanis are more culturally related to the Chinese than the Middle East just because they are located in Asia. I did say that they shouldn't be considered a part of the Middle East (geographically) just because they are more culturally related to the Middle East. There's exceptions everywhere and we shouldn't just arbitrarily redraw geographical lines (no matter how superficial) when cultural shifts occur. I mean...if Pakistan is considered to be a part of the Middle East instead of Asia then what the hell are Central Asians now? Central Middle Eastern Outer Western Asians? This will just confuse the crap out of people. Especially since they are West of Pakistan and Pakistan is next to India (which is next to China).

Keep the geographical standards as it is and if anyone makes any prejudgement on a person or a group of people purely based on their geological origin than that person is an idiot. But lets not try to change standards to accommodate logical fallacy shall we?

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Generalisations are "generally" - useless.

IIRC you're American and you like NASCAR, so should I make assumptions based on history, ignore any cultural changes in the last 50 years in the southern states and assume you like to torch black people at the weekends?

I'm from the UK, we're incredibly unpopular in continental Europe and we've always lived - physically - on an island. Bundle us in with the Europeans if you like but you'll only demonstrate your own ignorance and piss off the Europeans at the same time.

Ummm....ok? I agree?

Only that you've taken my posts completely out of context? We're not arguing about how we should see people in specific areas. In fact if you read carefully you'll see that I specifically stated that geographically the standards should apply regardless of cultural shifts. blueflame stated that no japanese drivers have ever done well in any top tier motorsports. I argued that many top tier motorsport series are western euro-centric and I've stated various other regions such as eastern europe, middle east and asia. He started to challenge my notion of what would be "european" or "asian" and all I'm saying is I'm relying on standards that I was taught. So that entire posts was me defending my standard. Not an argument for generalization.

So...actually what you are saying would agree with what I'm trying to bring across (after we've established that Pakistan and India are asian countries since they are east of Central Asian countries and making them exceptions just purely because of cultural differences and shifts is arbitrary and superficial)

You guys are forgetting Central Asia. Which is Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Nepal, etc.

If those are Central Asians (which they are) and India, Bangladesh and Pakistan is to the East of that...then I've pretty sure those three countries are considered Asian as well.

Cyprus is a Middle Eastern country regardless if they are now culturally more European than Middle Eastern. Just like Egypt and Turkey are also considered Middle Eastern. I think Sam has it correctly: The Middle East is correctly Cyprus, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, the Arabian peninsula, and the land mass directly to the east of the Mediterranean Sea (Israel, Lebanon, etc.).

Of course cultural divisions will split and confuse this more but the fact is that geologically speaking. This is the standard that's used when defining different parts of the world.

I mean look at Philippines. They are not even remotely considered to be Pacific Islanders as they are considered to be Asians as well. but Kiribait, Micronesia, and Palau are very very close to Philippines. Both geologically and some what culturally. So, arguably, the Philippines can be considered a part of the Pacific Islands by that logic but general standards say it isnt. I see no reason why we need to suddenly make new division and standards as I see nothing wrong with the current one even if it doesnt reflect cultural shifts (and IMO it never will no matter how many times we redraw the map).

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Quote from -NightFly- :

americans are europeans undercover actually and Asian people are actually europeans with make-up.

*btw lizard you forgot flying Finns*

Then what are black, middle eastern, latin, native americans, pacific islanders and eskimos? :P

What does Muslims have to do with whether the Indians are asians or middle eastern?

Quote from BlueFlame :

Middle East - Narain Kartikeyan (who wasn't good in F1)
Denmark - Jan Magnusson (who wasn't good in F1)
China - There was a guy in A1 GP but don't remember his name
Norway - The most famous Norwegian race driver is Martin Schanche and he was crazy and crashed alot.

And for the record Kubica is Polish, not Lithuanian, Ukrainian or Russian.

1. Karthikeyan is Asian. Indians are asians.

2. Yeh, they weren't good in F1. My point exactly. There hasnt been successful drivers from any of those countries. Doesnt necessarily mean that those countries are devoid of racing talent. (like Japan)

3. I know Kubica is Polish. But he's also Eastern European (which indudes Poland, Russian, Lituanaians, etc). I said that F1 is pretty western European centric with the excpetion of Kubica

Please read more carefully.....

Quote from pik_d :

Is that 13 supposed to be upside down?

considering our team's horrible luck in our recent events (AND ending up with the #13) that steams from the beginning of this year. Chadwick had figured to put the 13 upside down to ward off superstitions

Quote from BlueFlame :

I've heard of the MotoGP riders before, RIP Norik Abe but in Formula 1 they just haven't sliced the cake, Toshi Arai I've also heard of but Production WRC isn't top class IMO most of the drivers don't make it to WRC (though Arai did) and the rest of the drivers you've listed I've never heard of

F1's pretty Eurocentric actually. And even within Europe they are pretty Western. Have you heard of Russian, Ukrainian, or Lithuanian drivers doing well in F1? Kubica is the only exception and he's recent.

What about China? Denmark? Norway? Middle East?

Doesnt mean that these nations are devoid of racing talent. They just havent done well in F1 or havent had the chance. While F1 is labeled as the "pinnicle" of motorsports, it is hardly the only motorsports worthy of consideration. Motorsports have too many categories and too many disciplines to have only one series be deemed the master of racing.

Quote from JackDaMaster :

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80002

I will be bitterly disappointed if Kobayashi isn't signed with atleast a decent team next year

*sigh* very bad news for Kobayashi...(*cough*NASCAR!!!!*cough*)

In all seriousness I do hope that someone does pick up Kobayashi, I'd rather see him than Sato and it would be quite the shame if he never sees an F1 car again

Quote from BlueFlame :

I'm not saying Japanese drivers are all crap because they are Japanese, but statistically, they are all crap.

I dont think Aguri Suzuki or Takuma Sato was crap.

Quote from BlueFlame :

The Prince of Siam probably had more podiums than the whole of Japan combined in F1 and believe me, the Prince of Siam did race in F1

Well no he scored 8 points and came close with 4ths but he never went on the podium. In fact, didn't Aguri Suzuki get a podium?

should have gotten Carl Edwards back

I have a quick question about free track. TrackIR is very very expensive and I'm on a tight budget. I've recently found out about FreeTrack. I've watched videos of both TrackIR and FreeTrack and they dont seem to have an difference.

Is FreeTrack good? Is it worth it over the TrackIR?

Also, regarding FreeTrack, if I want to be able to install it, what exactly would I need besides a webcam?

Sorry if these are stupid questions. But thanks for any helpful responses

Quote from bunder9999 :

yes. you're the team leader... what are we, chopped liver? that's exactly how i've felt for the past month.

I could have just kept this quiet. But instead I choose to share this with you and dan. If I hadn't cared about it I wouldnt have said anything at all. In fact, the only reason why you two know about it is because I talked to you

Ok you've misunderstood a LOT of things so let me just clarify the situation

Quote from bunder9999 :

During that time, I was informed by someone that lizardfolk was on iRacing, which made me rather upset.

1. It was actually rFactor.

2. I wasnt racing seriously on rFactor, in fact I wasnt racing at all. I was just making random videos of clean/hotlaps on rFactor using fictional cars.

3. My friend has rFactor and he would occationally let me do a lap or two. He doesnt have LFS nor does he care to install it and since he's using his computer for 99% of the time I've only been able to just do a few laps and make videos of it. That is it. I did not migrate to rFactor or iRacing and I was seriously inactive the entire time I had my computer problem (which the excetion of that last LFSCART race)

Quote from bunder9999 :

A few days ago, I get a message saying to join vent. So I join, and I get told by another team member that lizardfolk had tried joining SRLT and was denied... and then he said he's on leave again because his keyboard is broken, even though I've seen him on both LFSF and our own team forums.

1. I was invited to apply by S. Williams. Naturally I'd take the opportunity to join them to better my race pace and craft. I didnt just suddenly decide that I would remove myself from clockwork. If I was invited to any of the big teams would you think I'd turn this down? I thought dan explained this to you

2. I'm not inactive, in fact I'm trying my hardest to stay active despite my keyboard problems. I was using the virtual keyboard the entire time to fill in keys that wont work (specifically the F and I). It was a pain but i remained dedicated.

Quote from bunder9999 :

From my POV, it appears that lizardfolk has no intention of keeping this team alive for much longer, so I'm bailing right now. I'm still hosting the website and the server, until they can find another provider.

I have grown dishearten with clockwork I'll admit, party because of our horrible luck and partly because we threw away a lot of opportunities to get good results and didnt. Due to lack of practice, dedication, w/e. But I'm still here.

Quote from bunder9999 :

I've enjoyed most of my time on Clockwork. Don't get me wrong, these are a good bunch of guys. I've got most of you guys on MSN, so don't be a stranger.

Well good to see there's no hard feelings.

Fell asleep during the race because I only had a few hours of sleep before it I'll be trying to find the race at a later date but apparently I didn't miss too much. I'd still like to see the racing 4 myself b4 I judge.

the 6th by Kobayashi really surprised me when I checked the results. He beat Trulli. Impressive. He's really making Nakajima look silly. Hopefully he'll be the first successful asian f1 driver.

Oh well, I have talladega to look forward to anyways

Quote from aroX123 :

I think Kobayashi is a great driver, he can be in the top in the future (if he has a good car under him.)

he finished 16th twice in GP2 compared to Nakajima's 6th

Quote from TexasLTU :

Someone here said, that Kobayashi is a new Ide.

Maybe Alguersuari is? How can he mix up boxes?

Yeh, Bourdais for Alguersuari...great idea Tost...

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Again toyota looks boring...lol

Looking for Kobayashi to improve his last result

LOL mustafur did you just post this right after our MSN chat?

Anyways the new nationwide cars look awesome indeed. Hopefully this will show people that NASCAR and stock cars in general doesn't have to be ugly (now if only this can replace sprint CoTs :razz.

Curious thing is...what will Toyota do? They dont exactly have a muscle car, will they just use a camery and be boring as usual?

I'll be there hopefully

Dammit, I misunderstood the timezone. I thought the race would be at 14:00 EST instead of 10:00 EST. I'll have to race in the consolation race

Quick OT to plastik (agreeing with him):

Those of you who thinks that LFS has to have a graphics update to be better needs to see how popular Mount and Blade is right now.

Of course, it would be nice and will never be a minus for LFS but it's hardly the most important

kimi and alonso are like...damm kids...LOL

If there's anyone who should be angry it should be Alonso

my car's a female....