What are you offering a potential host in exchange for hosting this server? Basically, why should you get a free server when others pay?
Not a stab, not taking the piss, not joking, just a question..
Not a stab, not taking the piss, not joking, just a question..
Thanks for the offer deko, I had a little fiddle earlier, and it does look impressive. When I have more time free, I may take you up on that.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out in private testing, but personally, I wouldnt be using it anyway 
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A possible suggestion for the iTCC future tho.
.A possible suggestion for the iTCC future tho.
No idea what that is, but good for them
Just to correct.. It HAS been thought about and several applications HAVE been made, however, personally, the single time I used either of them, I've failed to see them work as expected. - Thats probably more my own user error than any of the programming, as I know the quality of the work these clever guys put into these applications.
However, to answer quite simply.. It is my personal preference NOT to use such applications to sort the grid. I prefer a manual method, and if such a way takes longer than others, so be it. I will feel more confident sorting grids manually, always have, most cirtainly always will.
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Reason : thick fingers ;)
A short note from me..
This was the 2nd ITCC race where I was asked at short notice to stand in as Race Director for ICON Darren whom again failed to make it. I did my best, this time learning from my own mistakes at round 2, and frankly, most of it went simmingly, which is far more than can be said for the shameful driving of some drivers this evening. Most drivers kept thier cool and got on with thier races, but some lost thier dummy and threw it at those around them.
I'd like you to note for a moment that I am only human, I will and do make mistakes, I am not a robot, and basically, when I ask for "NO CHAT" I really do expect there to be no answer to that. I may have working processes that you disagree with, like for example ending the session to start a new one, to reform the grid, or to change other settings as instructed or suggested by the race control team.
I quite honestly didnt think of doing it that way.. If I should be called on again to run these sessions, then that way would cirtainly be easier for me, with all the usernames in the same colour, its hard for (my) eyes to find everyone quickly, as those in my race control team will atest to.
Exactly, I dont understand the problem with this.. Pickard, whom has always made himself known as a childish cock to me, once again shows his worth, representing his team, to both the other drivers on track, and the 60+ audience watching over the broadcast.
Overtaking under safety car periods IS dumb. The fact that you personally find such a rule dumb is of no consequence, a rule is a rule is a rule, which is a point which many many drivers who enter leagues fail to realise. You dont have to like the rules, just respect them. It's not your job to even question them, expecially within a race server, where your sole job - through choosing to be there - is to drive your car with respect to yourself and others on the track, following whichever dumb rules you agreed to follow by simply entering the series.
This was the 2nd ITCC race where I was asked at short notice to stand in as Race Director for ICON Darren whom again failed to make it. I did my best, this time learning from my own mistakes at round 2, and frankly, most of it went simmingly, which is far more than can be said for the shameful driving of some drivers this evening. Most drivers kept thier cool and got on with thier races, but some lost thier dummy and threw it at those around them.
I'd like you to note for a moment that I am only human, I will and do make mistakes, I am not a robot, and basically, when I ask for "NO CHAT" I really do expect there to be no answer to that. I may have working processes that you disagree with, like for example ending the session to start a new one, to reform the grid, or to change other settings as instructed or suggested by the race control team.
I quite honestly didnt think of doing it that way.. If I should be called on again to run these sessions, then that way would cirtainly be easier for me, with all the usernames in the same colour, its hard for (my) eyes to find everyone quickly, as those in my race control team will atest to.
Exactly, I dont understand the problem with this.. Pickard, whom has always made himself known as a childish cock to me, once again shows his worth, representing his team, to both the other drivers on track, and the 60+ audience watching over the broadcast.
Overtaking under safety car periods IS dumb. The fact that you personally find such a rule dumb is of no consequence, a rule is a rule is a rule, which is a point which many many drivers who enter leagues fail to realise. You dont have to like the rules, just respect them. It's not your job to even question them, expecially within a race server, where your sole job - through choosing to be there - is to drive your car with respect to yourself and others on the track, following whichever dumb rules you agreed to follow by simply entering the series.
Me again ,
Just to add once more, im happy to help with advice or whatever's required. I dont like to see series die, or start out and just stop without a champion (ok, its never me, but ho hum).
If it's not too much trouble James (and co), i'd like to place myself back on the grid for Round 3.. Would that be possible? (It's Mother's Day that day, so anything I can do to get away from family would be great)
Cheers
,Just to add once more, im happy to help with advice or whatever's required. I dont like to see series die, or start out and just stop without a champion (ok, its never me, but ho hum).
If it's not too much trouble James (and co), i'd like to place myself back on the grid for Round 3.. Would that be possible? (It's Mother's Day that day, so anything I can do to get away from family would be great)
Cheers
Has anyone tested this before posting? If its just an idea, sorry, but its a little silly as it will inspire posts like #10, then you start being held to ransom etc.
Do some testing, research etc, then come back with a working concept before introducing it to drivers.
Just the opinion of an outsider.
Do some testing, research etc, then come back with a working concept before introducing it to drivers.
Just the opinion of an outsider.
Nice to see one of the strongest still going..strong. Congratulations CoRe.
I am not a series driver, but I do have an opinion.
- We carry on racing most/all rounds left to be run.
The above would be the best solution in my eyes, otherwise the reputation of the IMA becomes another one of those which start a season which never finishes. It's better to finish with a failure than to just give up.
You need to give some consideration to your broadcasting. I realise people are trying thier best but first thing imo to improve would be the quality of the stream. Ask for help from those around you if you need it, dont let pride get in the way of quality streaming. If it's proving too much, drop it completly.
Its a nice addon to be able to have, but it is just that, an Addon. Its not required for the completion of the season. Get your broadcast crew to race instead.
If you are admining the racing yourselves rather than racing, consider changing that, race yourself, that puts extra cars on the track, and most of the time you will find a safety car (if running one, or in standby to run one) will cause more problems than its worth!
One thing which you need to stop right away, is allowing your commentary people to keep saying that the future of the series is not secure, that "it may be scrapped" - Its pointless telling those few who are watching that they are basically wasting thier time watching something which may not be around, that is reputation damaging to say the least.
Big grids are great, if you can get them, however, again, not essential for good quality racing. Small grids annoy me, but so does the attitude of holding dedicated series entrants (those who do attend) to ransom for the actions of those who say they will but dont attend.
I think this is a discussion which is definatly required, but internally within the IMA, then, open things to drivers when you make your decision, dont give people the impression you are giving up, till you've given up, that just pushes thier buttons.
While im here, if totally honest, I dont think you gave this series long enough to actually fly. It was very soon before or after the first round that you announced your second series, the TBO league. New things will always draw away attention, even for those who are dedicated. Cross advertisement is great, but not to the detrament of your breakthrough series.
Decide yourselves where your priorities lay, what is your end goal? What is it you are trying to do? - That will give you direction and perspective as to where you are towards achieving what you want. Otherwise, I fear you will find the same kind of reaction just two rounds into your TBO series that you have towards this one.
Best of Luck guys!
- We carry on racing most/all rounds left to be run.
The above would be the best solution in my eyes, otherwise the reputation of the IMA becomes another one of those which start a season which never finishes. It's better to finish with a failure than to just give up.
You need to give some consideration to your broadcasting. I realise people are trying thier best but first thing imo to improve would be the quality of the stream. Ask for help from those around you if you need it, dont let pride get in the way of quality streaming. If it's proving too much, drop it completly.
Its a nice addon to be able to have, but it is just that, an Addon. Its not required for the completion of the season. Get your broadcast crew to race instead.
If you are admining the racing yourselves rather than racing, consider changing that, race yourself, that puts extra cars on the track, and most of the time you will find a safety car (if running one, or in standby to run one) will cause more problems than its worth!
One thing which you need to stop right away, is allowing your commentary people to keep saying that the future of the series is not secure, that "it may be scrapped" - Its pointless telling those few who are watching that they are basically wasting thier time watching something which may not be around, that is reputation damaging to say the least.
Big grids are great, if you can get them, however, again, not essential for good quality racing. Small grids annoy me, but so does the attitude of holding dedicated series entrants (those who do attend) to ransom for the actions of those who say they will but dont attend.
I think this is a discussion which is definatly required, but internally within the IMA, then, open things to drivers when you make your decision, dont give people the impression you are giving up, till you've given up, that just pushes thier buttons.
While im here, if totally honest, I dont think you gave this series long enough to actually fly. It was very soon before or after the first round that you announced your second series, the TBO league. New things will always draw away attention, even for those who are dedicated. Cross advertisement is great, but not to the detrament of your breakthrough series.
Decide yourselves where your priorities lay, what is your end goal? What is it you are trying to do? - That will give you direction and perspective as to where you are towards achieving what you want. Otherwise, I fear you will find the same kind of reaction just two rounds into your TBO series that you have towards this one.
Best of Luck guys!
I.. forgot, regardless of the 4 or so pm's over the last two days, it completly slipped my mind! - How did the test session go?
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=54018
Take a look at this thread, posts 43 and 44 particularly. Not intending to piss on your fire, but to try and save you some time, it seems there are others working on filling that "void".
Take a look at this thread, posts 43 and 44 particularly. Not intending to piss on your fire, but to try and save you some time, it seems there are others working on filling that "void".
If i'm around, ill pop along to this one.
Zeugi ain't that bad
I'd love to make this one, but I dont think its possible, see where im at nearer the time.
The admins of the series filled me in fine dwb. Race Control was talking during the races, I had guidance for every decision made during the races. Apart from the first Safety Car, no other driver stayed on the track long enough for a safety car to be scrambled. Guidance told me that Safety Car's were for cars on thier roof/side/beached etc.
If drivers are supposted to wait and/or signal, none was forthcoming. Not following the first Safety Car. If drivers dont wait, there is no reason to scramble the safety car, and disrupt the racing further.
As for the speed in which I reorganised the grid.. Firstly sourcing the replay/list of qualifying times took half the time. Then drivers thought the'd help by adding themselves where they remembered, which confused me more. In the end I was left with was a list of licence names rather than numbers followed by names, and it was a case of flicking between LFS and other software to make sure people were in the correct order.
31 licence names to usernames later, we got it sorted out. Then of course I had to check it again to make sure there wasnt another cockup.
Dont take this as an excuse, I made a mistake, I know I did, but I found out the problem, took action to correct it, and you had your racing. After reading some of the comments, I thought I'd post to try and shed some light on what happened, and what was being done to sort it out.
Agreed, thats a preference.
Hopefully, you guys shouldnt have to put up with me again
The qualifying order was what I transfered over to the Grid Ordering App Joe wanted to try. Once that order was set, that request was successfully sent to LFS. As it turns out, as far as I'm aware there were there were a few errors in this order. This was spotted and the race shortly afterwards stopped under the direction of Joe.
Race 2 grid was incorrect BigTime? - This was checked by three of us, so please, enlighten. I did this one in a more, old-fashioned way, manually, using my brain power.
It was incorrect, the Pole position guy was placed to last. This was spotted, the race ended, then the task of resorting the grid was undertaken. - These situations are stressful, and while everyone wishes to help out and do thier best, when drivers take over and place themselves on the grid, things can easily get confusing.
I got confused. The "10 minute delay" was extended through my confusion. But the grid was set and the racing eventually got underway.
To my knowledge you are correct, and this is initially what I thought would happen. However, we had no knowledge that there should be a problem.
Personally I prefer a manual grid set in the lobby, I have more control over the order. (or at least in my head thats how it works). But this manual method requires co-operation, without this, confusion creeps in.
Im sure your racing wasnt ruined by my failures. Once the racing was running, I was told everything was going fine. There was some really exciting racing happening, when you wernt all trying stupid moves.
Re-read my post. I never said i'd spend hours selecting the best possible angles. I said I'd offer to record the mpr from the LFS TV camera view. Thats all. - As far as I was aware, thats all the OP was asking for.
Oh, and they wouldnt be "my" camera angles, they are nobodies angles, they just exist - if and when anyone chooses to use them is thier business, there is no ownership over a camera angle.
Like most things, it's what you do with it that counts.
Also, you seem to be under the impression that the OP is asking for a lot - He aint really, ok, he's not totally clear on what he wants, but its a 3-4 minute mpr, the raw file was approx. 6.9gb, and that didnt take much effort.
Regardless, if you think im "wasting" my time, thats my business not yours. To the OP - the offer stands.
Erm, hmm..
Ok, I downloaded your replay, but you didnt really specify what you wanted recording.. There are three drivers on the mpr, two drifting together, and yourself drifting alone..
Happy to record with the normal LFS TV Camera view so you are not "using any one elses camera work" - Quite possibly the silliest thing ive read on these "pages of gold"! But yes, if you want to specify more what you want, or wish to try again with another mpr, im more than happy to record and host the file while you download.
Ok, I downloaded your replay, but you didnt really specify what you wanted recording.. There are three drivers on the mpr, two drifting together, and yourself drifting alone..
Happy to record with the normal LFS TV Camera view so you are not "using any one elses camera work" - Quite possibly the silliest thing ive read on these "pages of gold"! But yes, if you want to specify more what you want, or wish to try again with another mpr, im more than happy to record and host the file while you download.
+1 to that the "GFC Method".
EDIT: Dont forget to add whatever method you choose to your Rules & Guidelines, so they are as up to date as they can be.
EDIT2: I'll find out throughout this next week what my timetable is like for the actual series - will let you know my availability asap.
EDIT: Dont forget to add whatever method you choose to your Rules & Guidelines, so they are as up to date as they can be.
EDIT2: I'll find out throughout this next week what my timetable is like for the actual series - will let you know my availability asap.
Right then, now that i've had time to think and reflect, here are my thoughts and opinions presented to you for your reference, for you to do with whatever you please, ignore or not
The following are my opinions, based upon past experience, and trying to offer up any advice that may be helpful. Please remember these are opinions, and as such should not matter one way or another.
Firstly, congratulations to ERT for completing thier first event, thats a huge step to take, and well done for sticking with it till the end was reached.
Secondly, to the guy who said about drivers having thier names sorted before thier arrival in the server.. Take heed please.. For a good 10-20 minutes during the inital practice sessions on the server, three or more people asked about the name format. For the first few minutes, nothing was said in response, then ERT team members seemed to be discussing it amoung themselves, and slowly people started to change thier names. However, from my recolection, I dont remember anyone actually being told the correct format in which they should name themselves. I also cannot see anywhere in the discussion in the forums which specifies the correct format in which we should have named ourselves.
Thirdly, Speaking with your drivers, as I mentioned before, can be a right pain in the arse of any race director. Personally, my own style is to publish everything drivers need to know pre-race in a briefing, and then if questions which have been answered come up in the race session, the drivers are simply refered back to the documentation. - I understand it can get on nerves when people ask questions, when they talk during end-session... periods etc. There isnt really anything fair that can be done by race adminstration. - If you ignore drivers, then you are branded arrogant, if you constantly ask for quiet, then you are considered rude, if you do nothing and wait for silence, you are wasting time - its hard to win. You guys need to find your own balence there. If you are going to go as far as to punish drivers for excessive talking - use a strikes system.. Warn drivers up to say 3 times for talking, then start applying penalties. If you write this into your rules, you dont have to keep saying things in the server. Remember, for as much time you are giving up to organise these events, your drivers are choosing your event to attend, dont treat them badly, else, they may choose not to return. (It goes without saying that if drivers themselves are being offensive to administrators, or to other drivers for that matter, they should be delt with (kick before ban)).
Fourthly, make decisions before you enter the server. If there is more than one administrator, decide on what to name yourselves. Decide who has the overriding vote. Decide on the race length (advertise 20 minutes for example if you wish to, but make sure you are aware of how many laps that converts to). If drivers witness you discussing this on the server, they will jump in, breaking chat rules and disrupt your discussion, opening it to more and more ideas and opinions. At the stage where you and them are on the server, the discussion should be closed. You should have already had the discussion and decisions should be made.
Fifthly, if testing additional things or processes, be clear with yourself as to what you are doing. Then, when decided, communicate this directly and clearly to your drivers. - With reference to the safety car start you tried in the second test race, dbpFlip's suggestion to test out a safety car wasn't intended as a rolling start... he meant if you were using a safety car to control the field within the race.... I cant honestly see the need for a safety car start with single seaters on a dry track (or a wet one for that matter), but thats your choice. As long as you are clear with your drivers.
Sixthly, be clear on your proceedures, what are you asking drivers to do at the end of a session - Else people will take the piss and start driving backwards around the track, as I seen one driver do, only just passed the start/finish line, and another driver saw another one later on. Communicate your intentions with drivers to. The biggest frustration is not knowing what is going on or why.
Seventhly, make sure you have your server config setup right... ask for help if you need it, there are pleanty of people out here willing to help. Confirm everything before you start a race or qualifcation session - For example tonight, your car's-on-track restrictions cost at least one driver the chance to qualify.
Im done I think - Not intended as a rant at all Guys. I dont think there are many actual problems, just needs tighting up a little, and that comes with experience.
I wont be able to make another test session within the next week, so best of luck with that.
Kev
The following are my opinions, based upon past experience, and trying to offer up any advice that may be helpful. Please remember these are opinions, and as such should not matter one way or another.
Firstly, congratulations to ERT for completing thier first event, thats a huge step to take, and well done for sticking with it till the end was reached.
Secondly, to the guy who said about drivers having thier names sorted before thier arrival in the server.. Take heed please.. For a good 10-20 minutes during the inital practice sessions on the server, three or more people asked about the name format. For the first few minutes, nothing was said in response, then ERT team members seemed to be discussing it amoung themselves, and slowly people started to change thier names. However, from my recolection, I dont remember anyone actually being told the correct format in which they should name themselves. I also cannot see anywhere in the discussion in the forums which specifies the correct format in which we should have named ourselves.
Thirdly, Speaking with your drivers, as I mentioned before, can be a right pain in the arse of any race director. Personally, my own style is to publish everything drivers need to know pre-race in a briefing, and then if questions which have been answered come up in the race session, the drivers are simply refered back to the documentation. - I understand it can get on nerves when people ask questions, when they talk during end-session... periods etc. There isnt really anything fair that can be done by race adminstration. - If you ignore drivers, then you are branded arrogant, if you constantly ask for quiet, then you are considered rude, if you do nothing and wait for silence, you are wasting time - its hard to win. You guys need to find your own balence there. If you are going to go as far as to punish drivers for excessive talking - use a strikes system.. Warn drivers up to say 3 times for talking, then start applying penalties. If you write this into your rules, you dont have to keep saying things in the server. Remember, for as much time you are giving up to organise these events, your drivers are choosing your event to attend, dont treat them badly, else, they may choose not to return. (It goes without saying that if drivers themselves are being offensive to administrators, or to other drivers for that matter, they should be delt with (kick before ban)).
Fourthly, make decisions before you enter the server. If there is more than one administrator, decide on what to name yourselves. Decide who has the overriding vote. Decide on the race length (advertise 20 minutes for example if you wish to, but make sure you are aware of how many laps that converts to). If drivers witness you discussing this on the server, they will jump in, breaking chat rules and disrupt your discussion, opening it to more and more ideas and opinions. At the stage where you and them are on the server, the discussion should be closed. You should have already had the discussion and decisions should be made.
Fifthly, if testing additional things or processes, be clear with yourself as to what you are doing. Then, when decided, communicate this directly and clearly to your drivers. - With reference to the safety car start you tried in the second test race, dbpFlip's suggestion to test out a safety car wasn't intended as a rolling start... he meant if you were using a safety car to control the field within the race...
. I cant honestly see the need for a safety car start with single seaters on a dry track (or a wet one for that matter), but thats your choice. As long as you are clear with your drivers.Sixthly, be clear on your proceedures, what are you asking drivers to do at the end of a session - Else people will take the piss and start driving backwards around the track, as I seen one driver do, only just passed the start/finish line, and another driver saw another one later on. Communicate your intentions with drivers to. The biggest frustration is not knowing what is going on or why.
Seventhly, make sure you have your server config setup right... ask for help if you need it, there are pleanty of people out here willing to help. Confirm everything before you start a race or qualifcation session - For example tonight, your car's-on-track restrictions cost at least one driver the chance to qualify.
Im done I think - Not intended as a rant at all Guys. I dont think there are many actual problems, just needs tighting up a little, and that comes with experience.
I wont be able to make another test session within the next week, so best of luck with that.
Kev
I will post a larger post later on, but I feel I must say about the talking and the general way you admins speak to your drivers - that is important. Do it firmly but politely.
Not STFU, not shhh, expecially when you guys talk, or argue amoung yourselves too..
Sort yourself out, make decisions away from the lfs server, as in some voice server perhaps - so that you dont look so disorganised, and are not seen to be arguing amoung yourselves.
More later guys
Thanks for the timetable, im not used to racing in such early events, but will make as much of it as I can.
Firstly, are you aware that the shortest "timed" race LFS can currently do is 1 hour.. So, to do 20 minutes, you would have to make that a laps race rather than time, unless you decide the race at the 20 minute point. Then you have the decision to make as to how you signal, and end the race.
i.e. 20 minutes +1 additional lap, or just 20 minutes then the lap the leader is on becomes the last lap, which is less fair to anyone in postions 2nd down.
Secondly, can you please explain this "FOX guys dont finish earlier, due to FO8's being done first." Im afraid I really dont see the logic in that..
How will the fox guys finish earlier, they will be behind, as in lapped by the FO8's.
Rather than planning your race lengths etc around one group of drivers FO8 OR FOX, plan for the distance or length that YOU want. Unless drivers really suck, it will be an FO8 which takes the win, thus completing the highest number of laps.
Just some thoughts guys.
Firstly, are you aware that the shortest "timed" race LFS can currently do is 1 hour.. So, to do 20 minutes, you would have to make that a laps race rather than time, unless you decide the race at the 20 minute point. Then you have the decision to make as to how you signal, and end the race.
i.e. 20 minutes +1 additional lap, or just 20 minutes then the lap the leader is on becomes the last lap, which is less fair to anyone in postions 2nd down.
Secondly, can you please explain this "FOX guys dont finish earlier, due to FO8's being done first." Im afraid I really dont see the logic in that..
How will the fox guys finish earlier, they will be behind, as in lapped by the FO8's.
Rather than planning your race lengths etc around one group of drivers FO8 OR FOX, plan for the distance or length that YOU want. Unless drivers really suck, it will be an FO8 which takes the win, thus completing the highest number of laps.
Just some thoughts guys.
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=53524 - Link to the calendar Tom, however, there are no start times on there, except for one, which is apparently at 1pm...
Could we have a little more detail on the calendar please? - Thanks!
Could we have a little more detail on the calendar please? - Thanks!
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