Spain were great, was looking forward to seeing them play and they didn't disappoint, can't wait to watch their next game now

There's a big difference between making a mistake in a race and ramming someone under a Safety Car. One is a racing incident, the other is just stupid.

"Hamilton, Rosberg hit with grid penalty

Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg will lose ten places on the grid at the French Grand Prix following their pitlane incident in Canada.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68140"


Good call. Nice to see some consistency after Nakajima ran into the back of someone under the SC in Oz and got the same penalty.

Quote from duke_toaster :

Mythdat, you can tell from the onboard (it's probably deleted from YT) that what happened at Bahrain was that Hamilton's front wing broke. The rather sudden reduction in drag speeded him up, which catapulted him in to the back of Alonso. Not a braketest, not a matter that Hamilton should have swerved - he couldn't.

Nah... firstly he was in Alonso's slipstream so the front wing wasn't producing much drag anyway. And secondly, the part of the wing that broke was the upper bridge, which does nothing but shape the airflow over the car, and if anything would produce more drag if it bent like it did.

He was just asleep, as he was today.

Great race, really enjoyed that one

Well done BMWs... Kubica in particular was amazing today, great drive

Massa too for being alert and making some nice moves

Hamilton gets his second Golden Arse award of the year to go with the one he got in Bahrain for driving into the back of someone and refusing to admit it's his fault (again). Wake the hell up

Track was pretty farcical and it's only going to get worse tomorrow

Ferraris are slow because they're just horrible on the kerbs, it's very obvious from the onboards... McLarens and Williams just float over them, the Ferraris bounce and lurch a good distance after they've landed

I'm not too fussed England didn't make it, I'd rather watch a team that's more interesting than a trip to a pencil museum

Looking forward to seeing Spain the most, their squad is incredible this year, so much talent... they should win it, but they'll likely underachieve as usual

Quote from Karoti :

I don't think moaning about it saying Merry Xmas in June is petty

What do you want them to update it with? "Today I went to the shop and bought a pint of milk and some rich tea biscuits, here's a picture"?

It'll be updated when there's something to put there

Opera... used to use Firefox but sadly it was developed into a big heavy bloated hog

I guess it depends how bad the setup is that they're currently using. If they're 6 secs off the pace using a setup that handles like a drunken elephant and has the downforce set at completely the wrong end of the scale then a great setup would probably make a big difference. If they're 6 secs off using a setup that's reasonably drivable, then yes, the setup isn't the problem.

Cheers, I'll have a look for some of those. Also had a quick look at the stuff on the link Bob posted, looks like it covers a lot of the base physics but doesn't really go into how it applies to setting up a car

Hey folks

I'm going on a trip this summer and need some books to kill some travel time. I thought it would be interesting to learn more about car setup so I'm looking for a book or two on that topic, preferably books that give a general overview rather than focus in on one specific area of the car. Any recommendations?

I think ITV just hit a new low... that was ridiculous

Poor Sutil/Force India... guy was amazing today, easily driver of the day, really unlucky for them. Nice to see Webber finally getting a run of good races without anything going wrong though

You get unlimited time on 3 cars and a track and free online play... I think that's very generous for a demo, in fact it's pretty much a free game on its own. If you want more content then pay for it.

Also, I agree... I think the FBM is easier to drive, probably the easiest car for me. It just sticks perfectly, very stable and doesn't really have enough power to spin the rears

Aye, Kimi said his wing was damaged and I'd be inclined to believe him, he's one of the few drivers that don't BS

Wow... great stuff Victor

Ok

XRR by far, the lack of weight over the rear coupled with the turbo lag make it a pain under throttle. Plus it's rubbish under braking with the rears dragging easily and bogging down the diff if you use anything other than a locked diff or a silly 400+ preload clutchpack. Also, it flips easily

He definitely lost the wing bridge, you can see it fly off in this vid at 1:20 (or you can see it until Bernie takes it away... as suggested by the name of the guy who posted it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOj6E2XRGDs

It won't have made much difference since he was in the slipstream anyway, doesn't make him any less of an idiot for driving into the back of another cat

There's some PR crap on McLaren.com:

Quote :

Lewis Hamilton: I am really disappointed and feel like I let the team down today as I always am the first to blame myself. The whole weekend has not been ideal starting with the accident on Friday, but I will keep my chin up and bounce back at the next race. I messed up at the start as I didn't hit the switch early enough and therefore had not engaged the correct engine setting, and the anti stall kicked in. I lost a lot of places but things were still salvageable at that point. Then I had the incident with Fernando. I was behind him, and I moved to the right, and he moved to the right and that was it - a racing incident I guess. I am confident that we have the pace to be fighting at the front so the confidence is still there. I have had such a good run in Formula 1 until now, and it was almost inevitable that at some point things would go wrong. However there is a long way to go in the Championship and I intend to win it."

Basically admits he was a numpty at the start, but won't take responsobility for driving into the back of another car

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Bit more interesting race this time, mainly thanks to BMW's impressive pace

ITV and Hamilton share the golden arse award - ITV for choosing to go to an ad break rather than show the press conference, and Hamilton for cocking up the start, driving into the back of Alonso and then making gestures at anyone who "dared" to try to race him... a true backmarker monkey drive today

Congratulations!

T'would take off.

If you imagine a car on the same conveyor, it puts its power to the conveyor through its wheels - in effect, its wheels are pushing the conveyor backwards. Hence, if the conveyor matches the wheel speed in the opposite direction, the car's forward movement is nullified

But a plane doesn't put it's power to the ground through the conveyor, or through its wheels. A plane's forward power comes through thrust pushing on the air, it bypasses the conveyor completely. The wheels don't provide any form of forward thrust, they only exist as a buffer to keep the plane off the ground. A plane's engine still provides exactly the same amount of forward thrust regardless if there's a conveyor belt there or not... the only difference is that the wheels will rotate faster before the plane lifts off the ground


(wow that's a lot of thrusting)

Quote from axus :

If you have half a brain on you you should be able to suss out what's subjective and draw your conclusions from there.

Indeed you should

It won't be a shock to Renault, after all Alonso only signed a 1-year deal with the option of more if he so wishes. The whole point of this is that Renault either show him that they're capable of building a great car again, or he's off.

^agree with Clownpaint, all the desperate bashing is really very funny

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Quote from axus :

It only took two races for him to start bitching at Renault.

Which tabloid did you read that in?