Conclusions from Monza & Singapore:

'05/'06 Alonso is back

'07/'08 Hamilton is back, unfortunately for him

I really don't get all the fuss about this. Ferrari used team orders.. so what? The are multiple instances of team orders every season. Hell, there have already been at least two instances of top teams using team orders this season, but nobody kicked up a fuss about those. Why the furore this time? Because it's Ferrari and Alonso?

Smells like driver sponsorship bidding war..

Webber looked pretty ticked off in the press conference. I don't blame him.. Vettel's new front wing breaks, so they take Webber's off him to give to Vettel? Hmmm..

lol @ Heinze and the camera

same thing popped up last year.. straight line testing is allowed, all teams do it. he was crawling around the corner

Whoa.. here I thought France were nailed-on certs for worst team of the tournament, then England suddenly surge through to become real contenders.

I'm actually quite shocked at how bad that was..

Dumbest question of the World Cup award goes to.. Alan Shearer:

To an old guy who lived through apartheid and is now in poverty:

"So.. how did you feel about being segregated?"

"...you don't have to ask me that"

hell yeah!

I think (or I'm hoping) it'll get a lot better in the next round of games. Nobody wants to lose their first match, which is why they've all been so cagey.

Goalkeeping blunders aside, we've seen England's major problem: with Rio out (he was playing crap and getting slow anyway so no loss) and King's dodgy knees, the centre backs are too damn slow. So many times the USA got behind them, putting Terry/Carragher in positions where they have to make desperate challenges. Against decent strikers, they're screwed.

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+1 million.

They seem to have a good offense. Didn't one of them score 35 goals in the Dutch league last season?

Yeah.. Suarez and Forlan have 77 goals between then last season

Spain are kinda good..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPNjELcdyUw

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Ever wondered what millions of tiny dead fish would look like? BP helpfully provides the answer:

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Was karting in Rowrah only 2 weeks ago, lovely place. Such a shame something like this has happened to the area.

Yeah I've done a fair few laps at Rowrah too. It's kinda odd how you don't realise how lovely an area it is til you see it on TV - I guess so many years living here desensitises it a bit. Weird, very surreal.

Hi from Whitehaven.. geez, never seen so many cameras in my life, place is crawling with news reporters!

Quote from JazzOn :

BTW not everyone would have done what Webber did. Please look at the same section Hamilton vs Button.

Uhm, Button did exactly what Webber did. Actually, no, that's not right. Button did MORE than what Webber did - he actually actively pushed Hamilton across the track on the start/finish straight, whereas Webber simply held his line.

Quote from JazzOn :

In all fairness, i'm just saying that Webber is at fault too and that's for the most part.

He should, with his age and experience, use the whole right part of the track (how much was there?) to start his counter attack or for that matter, defend his position.

How do you know he wouldn't have if Vettel hadn't wrecked him? He never had the chance to move back over to the right for the braking zone, Vettel had crashed into him well before the point that he'd move back onto the racing line.

Quote from JPeace :

and who gets the new parts specially flown out? Webber.

Uh, Vettel got the new rear wing before Webber. Vettel had it in Friday practice, Webber only just had it flown in before quali.

Quote from JPeace :

Trying to force Vettel off the road when he was coming by anyway (why leave a space big enough for Vettel to come through anyway). A championship leader should be thinking, here comes vettel, where is he in the championship? oh there he is about 35 points adrift and in 8th or w/e. Not OMG VETTEL KILL PUSH HIM OFF DIE BITCH DIE.

That to me isn't using his brain. He should let Vettel take the win, and come second, keeping his (main) rivals behind him, (Button mainly).

Huh? He didn't try to force Vettel off the road. Webber didn't move at all, he kept completely straight, until Vettel tried to force HIM out of the way.

I don't think Webber really 'squeezed' Vettel, though. I mean it wasn't as if Webber pushed him across the track - Vettel was already up against the left side of the track, he put himself there. Webber just held him there.

Quote from Kazu2799 :

I agree with the hand gesture but imo Webber had the opportunity to avoid the crash and even get his position back by simply going back to the normal racing line. In the end i guess vettel caused the crash all by himself but webber didin't help one bit xD

I'm sure Webber WOULD have gone back the racing line to brake had Vettel not crashed into him. This incident happened well before the braking zone.. there was no reason for Webber to move at that point.

Did anyone watch the BBC's post race forum? Very interesting going-ons there. Basically they discovered that in the three laps prior to the Webber/Vettel crash, Red Bull told Webber to turn his engine down, while they told Vettel to turn his up.

Suggesting more going on by Webber's responses in the press conference:

Q. Is there any reason why he had a jump on you on that particular lap?
MW: Hmm. Maybe.

Q. Did you come out of the previous corner a bit slower on that lap?
MW: Hmm. You guys need to dig more, somewhere else.


Also quite disappointing to see that Horner seems to be taking Vettel's side in this whole thing and blaming Webber. And Vettel's hand gestures after the incident were just embarrasing.

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Clearly Red Bull's secret is this man.