I've been playing since the first demo. Whattizzat? 7 years?

Never more than a few months off. Sometimes everyday for months. It doesn't wear out. It gets upgraded constantly. The focus is playing against real people - the game itself almost disappears.

I don't think I've ever gotten more value out of a dollar. Looking around at my entire house and recording studio, and massive collection of snowboards and skateboards, and racing kart...

I'm sure of it.

I. Have. Never. Received. More. Value. On. A. Dollar.

Period

Well, yes...

Read that first.

When SS1 was PWed it showed up as an LFS race server and showed people racing.

Silly me, I did not associate what I saw with a webcast.

Last night I was racing freely on the CTRA SS1 server. Today it's asking for a password. New format? Or did I click something I'm unaware of?

907

Am I doing something wrong?

Actually, I've found the opposite. I have to add brake force. weird, eh?

Quote from Burnzoire :

It either comes down to the size of the dev team (or lack thereof), or that Scawen simply does not with to commit to anything by giving us hints on his plans for the future of LFS. Personally, I think this is a mistake...

I don't know. I think it's a very good idea. There have been a few things that have been in LFS in the past that are no longer there because they didn't pan out as being in sync with the sim's philosophy, or because the masses dismissed them as unrealistic or uneeded. I can't remember anything in particular, but I think I remember it like that. Maybe someone can help me with an example.

The end result is, that if you announce or plan for something, you're kinda stuck with it for eternity. Whether it's good or not.

I always take the blue flag very seriously. I follow Becky and Leprekaun in my philosophy for the most part. It's a fluid situation. You have to take each one as it comes. Being unpredictable is not helpful. Fighting for a position that isn't really a position is maddening. Some places on the track are easier than others. Sometimes the car behind is slower, but ahead. Etc...

But! In LFS we have another situation. Mid race join. Being able to warp to the pits and/or join at any point during a race means that sometimes we will find ourselves in a place we really don't belong. People are racing out there. They've worked hard to fight their way up to a good starting postion, alligned themselves to race their chosen opponent on a given server, and then the crowd comes along floods the track.

If I am a drop in the flood I do whatever it takes to stay out of the way. The worst social foul, in my head, would be to mess up a race I am not rightfully involved in.

I voted NO by accident. Read the thing wrong.

I'm not so worried about simulating an experience where I can pretend I'm Martin Brundle. I much prefer just knowing that I have some racing software on my machine. At any time I can go have a real, genuine race. Not simulated. If I can have that race through a simulated Spa, sure that will be very nice. But a simulated Aston is every bit as challenging and rewarding. The other drivers are what makes it a race.

Quote from rovens :

chicane, people.

Gerhard Berger used to call them Chickens. Fitting, eh?

Quote from Cue-Ball :

How about three?

Ummmhup...

I've seen those things go through the corkscrew on so many days I can't count. Up ahead, past the turn nine hairpin, are all the Porches. (That is, if this is a photo of lap one.)

I was there one day when Mark Donahue was tuling around in the Penske 917. guh guh guh guh guh guh guh... He tore some part of the car off every time he went through and he kept going quicker and quicker and quicker.

By comparison to the blue and yellow, them cars in the picture there aint race cars.

Twizzled it a little, BF1, no TC. It's certainly different, but I'm not feeling it completely. Anyone have an explaination that may help us who aren't too slick to use it more effectively?

Without question. I hear a lot of people talk about value on the dollar, I think I have myself, when talking about LFS. At this point the money is meaningless. The product is a phenomenon. It exists on it's own, a new entity in this grand universe. Another beautiful activity that humans have achieved.

Thanks!

Quote from XCNuse :

Welcome back if.. thats what you mean? I guess.. I have no clue what he's rambling about to be honest, I think its just he is amazed about the philosophy "If you don't use it, you lose it."

Bingo! Been since Novemeber or so that I've raced online. Got a new puter. Love it.

Did an extensive search on setting up Momo. Didn't like any of it. Been racing real kart lately. Steering feels different.

Love the rumble on the curbs and the kickback when locking the BF1. Keeping FF for now. Getting better.

BTW Overall Force = 100%, Spring = 50%, Damping = 90%, Self Centering = Off, LFS Controller Menu Strength = 75% (Or whatever those settings are called.)

Love the looky-lefty-righty and F9-F12 buttons on wheel. Now have more plans for TSW.

Love LFS.

Internet next week.

(GRAMMER_SCHMAMMER!)

Yeah, so...

All winter in Breckenridge. Learned a lot. Cool.

Home in Santa Fe. TSW don't go with new computer, yet. Got Momo for cheap while saving to upgrade TSW to USB.

Force Feedback. Telling me crazy things about the car. Can't catch a slide. Can't drive my usual 0.10s consistancy at Blackwood even.

Wouldn't plague you fine racers with my shannanagins just yet. Don't have internet at the house anyway. Will soon. Love to get on the track with all of you...

If I can figure out how to safely drive this thing. Back to a single car, eh? Laps and laps.

Hi!

Love Ya.

...and just to make things more difficult for you:

Perhaps some way of naming straights and complexes of corners.

That is a very nice website. I love the idea of LFS corners having names. I only blipped through quickly, but intend to investigate further when i have more time. Only one thing missing in my opinion:

Corners named after drivers.

Scawen, Victor, Eric, Tweak, Tristan, RMachucaA, Amp88, Viper, Gunn, Gimpster...

Any famous battles out there? Or funny vids? Anyone we would all agree should be celebrated in some way?


(Westhill H should be called "Sack". Because you have to grab it every freakin' time you go through there.)

Another late entry...

Happy Birthday Mate! The fact that you were born has given me, and will continue to give me, great joy in my life.

Cheers!

Spa 67
Jerez 92
Ring 67
Isle of Man
Bathurst
Laguna 74
Mosport
Rouen
Spa 92
Monaco 92
Suzuka

MP4/5

Quote from Woz :

I started to snowboard very early on when many resorts still banned snowboarders and there were big snowboard/skier fights. This took years to resolve and now the two side get on and there is a cross over between the two in people and technology.

Looking back it was ALL caused by many of the early snowboards acting like arses that believed they were right and everyone else was wrong. They assumed they had the right to do anything they liked, when they liked. They also assumed everyone owed them respect and didn't realise people treat you how you treat them.

The current state of the drift community is the same as those early snowboard days and the fights will stop as drift becomes more mainstream and popular as this will pull a bigger mix into the community.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say but I know it will go over your head in the same way it went over the heads of meany early snowboarders.

But then hindsight is 20-20 vision

Not the same. If the comparison were between cars and motorcycles it would apply. Skis and Snowboards are identical in construction and performance on the snow. Snowoarding gives you more control over the ski. Skiing give you more control over your inate bipedal balance instincts. Both require huge skillsets to master. Drifting would be like making only skidded turns on your skiis or snowboards and then calling that a sport.

Who would do that?

(Oh yeah... 95% of the people on the mountain. Hacks...)

Quote from Slidaaaa :

Then.. and so does racing..boooring, loong, too much under control , OLD, anybody can race, just a few can drift...people dont like it because its not for everybody,and they just cant compreend it.

Good Drifters can race just as fast as most, good Racers cant drift anything at most.
Fact, period,goodbye. :cool:

Tazio Nuvalari
Gilles Villenueve
Ayrton Senna
Good 'Ol Nige
Jean Alesi
Mario Andretti
Jackie Stuart
Juan Manuel Fangio
Derek Bell/Warwick
Michael Schumacher
(Certainly) Ralf Schumacher
Mark Donahue
Dan Gurney
Paul Newman
Didier Peroni
Reny Arnoux
Alain Prost
Nelson Piquet
Giancarlo Fisicella
Alesandro Nannini...

OK, If I had the time to do a search for race drivers on the internet I could fill up ten pages like this.

Yer nuts.

Don't base all your opinions on the like of Andrea DeCesaris

Last edited by Slartibartfast, Fri 17 Nov 2006, 22:09.

Around here we have a kart track that is a big flat concrete grid. There is one diagonal bit of road, but for the most part it is 90 degree corners. They change the layout every week. The only way to get around it quickly is to slide sideways. A bit of brake, a bit of positive lock, the kart tips, then flat on the go button and full aluminum-to-aluminum *clank* opposite lock and off you go - steering with your right foot. Most people don't have that Gillesesque feel to go full lock and steer. The axiom of the day is still "You never, ever go to full lock in a kart." In this case that is a loosing principle. But man is it fun to actually have a track where racing is name of the game, but getting sideways is the only way to win the race. (I can drive a kart and real car like this all day long. It's so easy for me. But in LFS I struggle, not sure what the problem is exactly.)

So... is this drifting?

NO!!!! It is not DRIFTING!!!! It's driving SIDEWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, here it is: You have what we call a combi corner, or double apex. Two lefts, say. Close enough together that they can be taken as a single turn. The first one has a larger radius than the second. (Think Spoon Curve at Suzuka.) If you optomize the first corner you end up going far too quick for the second. If you try to use the short straight as a braking zone for the second you end up waisting potential speed in the first. Ultimately, the best approach is to drive into the first too quickly and allow the car to slide, all four wheels, to scrub off speed. Thus making the first corner the braking zone for the second. All four wheels sliding sideways at once. Steering with both positive and negative throttle. (Think T1 at Mexico City.)

Or how about this, at South City Long get in your FOX and literally aim your car AT THE ARMCO on every corner. The trick of course is to go so quickly that you break loose just after turn in and slide past the armco by an inch. Then drift (all 4 wheels) out to within an inch of the exit armco.

Now *that* is drifting.

Last edited by Slartibartfast, Wed 15 Nov 2006, 19:57.

Every once in a while I'll ask, or go to Inferno, or somebody will offer...

When I get a set that feels right I use it everywhere and make adjustments for the track. When I say feels right, I mean slightly oversteering from neutral, good on the curbs, and recoverable. The latter being my highest priority. I have to have a car that can come back from my mistakes fairly easily. In the end I do adjust cambers, spring rates, ride heights, dampers, gearing and wings quite a lot. Gearing and wings will go a long way for a car that feels good. If I find I'm struggling for time I will start the search anew, trying to find the next best set.

Overall though it's about comfort, anticipation, and the ability to go 80 laps from start to finish.

Did a quick search, found no answer to this question.

I'm going to live away from home for the winter in tight quarters. The situation I'll be in means no desktop computer and certainly no space for a wheel/chair. I installed LFS on my lappy and found that I can't do the keyboard thing. Hate the mouse thing. So I put a MicroSoft Sidewinder Dual Strike on the thing and it's not bad. (Feels like I'm playing a video game, though. My girlfriend tried to tell me I was playing a video game the whole time... bah!)

So, I can't right foot brake so hot. I want to put the brake on a button and leave the throttle on an axis. I tried everything I could think of, but it just doesn't want to see the brake is I've chosen a non-button set up.

Is it impossible to do what I'm asking in LFS?

TIAFAH

Not off topic at this point. Sitting more rearward in a sim gives you a better feel of the rear wheels. Let's you be more dynamic with the boot.

mmmm... Old Peculier....

R3s for any distance. But I can get the odd 5 lapper in with R2s.

Tube - No TC, remember?

For me, virtual mirrors on every car that does not come with one in the same place.

MrRodgers - Take a break, man. Then come back and retry the FOX. 9 out of 10 will say it's a sweety. Even more so after the physics thing. Check out the ThornZ_test setup. Is very even. You're a hard core LFSer. Breaks work good.

This Name - I've yet to sit down and work up a no TC setup. The rear end is going to have to be modified. Tad softer for tire wear. Tad quicker to squat for lauch out of corners. It will be a late apex machine for the most part. That being said, my everyday set with the TC turned off and the engine braking reduction turned up is doing OK. That SoLong set is closish as it is. 1:18xxs after 10 laps, not too shabby.