Quote from Ben-Pepito :

Hmmmm...the Chops Sunday Cup races kinda fit that description.

You just go to there server sunday nights, qualify and race. There's no pints chase but they put the results on their site.

Next race is LX6, 20 laps of Aston North.

I tried to catch that CHOPS race last Sunday. But I got the time all messed up. It was not at 8:30pm Eastern time. When was it?

Quote from mrodgers :

Personally, I've yet to see anyone who can even drive 1 lap in the BF1 . Though I don't go hunting for the car, only see them in all-car servers.

Ahh... not so quick. Last night I was in a few joyous races at SoLong with 4 or 6 people. We all made it round and round.

If you're using TC it's going to be very hard to do a lap, much less a race, without blipping the limiter. If you're not, same difficulty in completing a session with out a little wheelspin.

Usually, when we are talking about leagues, the group mindset is strong. That leads to people not wanting to cheat against friends, rivals, and aquaintences. It's hard to be an idiot like that and stick around for a season. You just don't fit in.

Besides, the fun is in dicing at the very limit and staying on the track for 60 laps.

I'm starting to find out it's my favorite ride.

Quote from Infiniti :

I'm going to Colorado Feb 17? I think not sure what Mountains yet, but I really liked Copper Mt, and also went to Abasin but I liked Copper alot more. Any suggestions, I'm a snowboarder

A Basin if you like big mountain, Breckenridge if you like big parks, Beaver Creek if you like big crowds.

I personally like big mountain. That's why I'm going to train in the park. Need practice. February is the Expression Session in Aspen. I never miss that.

OK

I think mine's pretty cool. Sure it's looks like a calm, serene stance. But I do that on purpose. It's a craft, you know?

Anyway, I'm going 45mph in the snapshot. (My age, BTW.) I really flipped the photographer out when I touched her foot doing 50-55mph.



PS If you want to do this, I'll be in Breckenridge, Colorado this winter. I'm a Level II AASI instructor going for my Level III (Highest certification.) this year. Look me up in skischool and we'll tear up the mountain. Anyone who introduces themselves as an LFS forum member gets my free time. In other words, don't pay for a lesson with me. :-)

Last edited by Slartibartfast, Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:40.

Yes... It's yet another post about the Redline servers.

I was out there yesterday. South City Sprint 1 in the FOX. I had just come from another server running the same combo.

The other server was full with the fastest drivers putting in even 47s as a rule. Slower drivers were average. All drivers were what I would consider good to excellent online racers. It came to my attention that SoSprint 1 might not be the best place to run FOX races. It's just too tight and any speed differential leads to disaster. It wasn't just a turn one disaster, there was mayhem at every corner, every lap. No one was being an idiot specifically, it's just crazy tight there. No room for error when racing nose to tail.

So I head over to Redline with some trepidation, I must admit. I've heard about people being banned for saying the wrong thing. I fear making the wrong gesture there. But I went anyway. The field was slighty smaller, 12 to 17 driver per race. But still the same tight, unforgiving combo that SoSprint1/FOX really is. Still nose to tail with the quick drivers doing slightly higher times. 47.3-5x laps. The odd high 46. Something was quite different about the racing there.

Hmmm...

How do I say this...

I was sitting in my bedroom, at my desk, looking at my computer screen. The images on my screen were exactly the same as the last server with the exception of a few skins. Still, I'm staring at a little TV.

I felt this overwhelming sense of respect. Some of it simply for the rules, trying to avoid a ban. Some of it for other drivers on the whole, and some of it for the combo itself. I started out with the former. Quickly learned it and earned of the rest of the field, And practiced the latter at all times.

There were so few incidents on that server that it was remarkable. Hence, this post. Make no mistake. I'm writing this for a reason. It was clean, clean, clean! Everyone running nose to tail. Braking ever so slightly early. Being ever so cautious not to bump or spin in a corner. Waiting for traffic when rejoining. Watching the map, watching their mirrors. Saying please and thank you and hello, and well done.

I noticed a group of drivers that were doing what, I have for a long time believed, should be common practice - not attacking at L1/T1. I don't mean no passing. Sometimes someone may make a mistake or get off slowly, but just no aggressive maneuvers. Respect for your starting position. You are starting 4th because you qualified 4th. (ie. Final position in last race.) Have respect for the driver who earned third, and so on. Hold your position and ensure the race get's off to a healthy start. Then it will be a rewarding race. Rather than a frustrating one.

Anyway...

Comments were made about what an amazing situation the Redline server was. Clean was the order of the day. Races were won and lost. Everyone ran like heros and had a great time.

Whatever it is they are doing at Redline, whether it be strict or otherwise, it's working.

I had league style races on a public server. Yay!

(More combos would be nice.)

Last edited by Slartibartfast, Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:54.

Here's another vote to make this thread a sticky. This is the best thread I've read on this forum. Really well written advice from people who KNOW what they are talking about.

Priceless...

[edit] And save those graphics Biggie made. Amazing...

Last edited by Slartibartfast, Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:58.

Quote from Becky Rose :

I use font sizes quite a lot in my posts, hopefully in a way that doesn't nark anyone

Nark?

...as in Narcotics Agent? Pig? Rat Fink? Squealer?

In ski and snowboard instruction we say "look at the hole". Keeps people alive and with working limbs. Really. Really. In ski and snowbaord and skateboard racing, we are always looking ahead as many gates/cones as possible. It's a steadfast rule.

It's simple with speed. At 60mph, if you are looking 3 feet in front of you, how much time do you have to prepare for what's coming up? Look 200 feet ahead and your chances of reacting in time are much better. Someone mentioned anticipation. Steering and braking and throttling *before* you get into trouble. Looking ahead goes a long way down that road.

Endurance hottlaping doesn't have to be never ending. Just a simple "best time at Kyoto GP in a BF1 with no traction control over 60 laps" will suffice.

OK, I'm not specifically quick. But this is what has helped me:

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I do already blip the throttle with my heel when downshifting (although I think I was getting a bit lazy with it in that replay), but I think what Jean Luc Pickard was suggesting was holding a little bit of throttle constantly while braking to stabilise the car (I guess it puts load the diff? Is that what the benefit is? Anyone?). But that would be pretty hard to do with one foot.

I'm not real slick with the mechanics, but it helps me, a left foot braker. I think it has to do with keeping the car level at turn in. The car dives less. The rear steps out less. Stays more tucked and ready for throttle application.

That being said, the most interesting thing to me in this thread is that many people mentioned not overbraking. Coming off the brakes earlier and coasting at the limit to apex. I certainly overbrake. Also, if that's the goal, maybe right foot braking is less of an issue. A little more rear rebound and off you go. Remember that right - right second gear section of Monza in GPL? That was where everyone lost time. The setup to the second right was sooooo critical. Took me years to get just the right entry speed and balance. I guess all corners are like that to some extent.

Getting to the right side of your head is also very, very important. After all the practice with techniques and balance and lines you should feel it coming naturally. Like some part of your consciousness turns off. I know I'm in the 'zone' when everything slows down. I quit struggling and each move flows effortlessly from the last and into the next. The whole lap is a continuous motion. Inhale whilst braking, exhale whilst throttling. Looking far ahead is both a prerequisite and symptom of being in that state. When I'm in the zone, turn in and throttle amount are all I am aware of. It's fuzzy and mushy and I surge in a rhythmic pulse dictated by the track. (Whatever that means.)

Two bits for you - Some magazine people sat someone (Stirling Moss?) down in a hotel by a track (Watkins Glen?). He sat in a chair and did four imaginary laps at the track after the day's sessions. He held an imaginary wheel and made noises with his mouth. Feet going like crazy he did 4 or 5 laps within 4/10ths of his actual lap times. It's all in the head, eh?

Ayrton Senna used to quote one of his early karting coaches. "Have you ever entered a corner and thought, 'Oh no, this time I have done it. I've gone in too fast and I am going to go off.' But some how you make it through? That is quick."

He amazed me and the world when he drove like that. Because he really did. Remember Shoey at Hungaroring in 1998? Chasing after Hill for 20 laps at the ragged edge to catch him in the pits? Everyone was up in arms saying what a brilliant drive it was. Only four years had passed and they couldn't seem to remember that Senna drove that way as a matter of course.

With Mansell right on his ass.

Last edited by Slartibartfast, Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:05.

Since Night Driver.

Been extremely active in searching out driving sims ever since.

Had my TSW since 1998.

Still aint quick.

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Holy Smokes! That Looks Flippin' REAL!!!!

I think this whole argument for online racing licensing or certification, or what ever it is, is a little off base. There is no need. It only restricts people from racing online. More people online is better. Even if it's a frag fest.

Leagues serve the purpose of joining like minded drivers perfectly well.

To add my two cents to the orignal topic, I like to say this:

Reread the original post. I love it. I have nothing to add. It is a simulator, after all. Let's drive it as if it were real.

I've been freaking out on the FO8 lately. Seems there are no crazy idiot GT4 nutjob wanker fighter pilots driving these things. Everyone I've raced has been pure joy. I'm sticking with it.

Shhh.... Don't tell anybody.

Quote from Burnzoire :

Also... is there anyone out there that wants to design manufacturer badges for these cars?

Wel... First of all...

What are the brand names? Or countries of origin?

Ok, just did a few races at Aston.

That chicken going onto the start straight is magnificent. It's so critical to time both on entry and exit. You simply have to get it right every time.

Love it.

And the F08 is king of LFS.

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Thank you very kindly!

Somehow, even though I keep seeing the name "Master Skinnerz" in this thread, I can't see the link. Could someone point me in the right direction?

...and then I go online to race at some public servers....

It occurs to me that everyone here in this discussion is exactly the driver I want to be on track with. Someone with a clear cut philosophy on how to handle themselves in traffic.

Not like the clowns I was racing last night, who's sole technique for passing was to drive right through the middle of my car.

Too much ghost racing on GT4 I suppose...

Quote from sinbad :

But if both cars are level approaching the corner, why should the outside car be allowed to brake later than the car on the inside?

Well, that's a rather nice techinque, isn't it? Brake very late when being attacked up the inside. Hopefully the attacker Will try to follow, brake too late, go wide. Now the late apex puts the attackee right back up the inside at exit.

The rule I've always heard is, "Any move that forces the opponent off his intended line is a legitimate passing move." That being said, that kind of temperment can only really be stated and practiced by mature, seasoned drivers. One's of the same mindset. If your front wheels are in my view, or if I even think they are or will be at turn in, you've successfully forced me off my line.

Quote from sinbad :

If I'm inside you and far enough alongside, the corner's mine. From that point on if you choose to stay side-by-side around the outside of the corner it's your own risk.
That's actually where a lot of people lose the plot. They think that because they are able to stay side-by-side they are entitled to do so. The driver on the inside is allowed to assume the racing line, and that can mean running through the corner at full speed and so using all of the track on the exit of the corner.

Far too many people complain about being pushed wide when really the collision was not intentional and it was their own fault because it was their responsibility to concede the position.

I disagree. It's a matter of the exact situation and safety always prevails.

What if you are inside, wheel to wheel, at turn in but I am going 10 mph faster? You are inside, same speed, but your front wheel is only even with my rear wheel? You are inside, front wheel to my rear, 10 mph faster?

With the strict attitude that the one inside has the right of way none of us ever finishes a race. Whenever I write something in a thread like this I am always presuming that the reader understands that I am refering to situations where everyone involved is using their bean. It's an ideal mindset. I've raced some of the best, the quickest, and the cleanest. Their mindset is more on the lines of mine, than it is yours. And we all get to the finish line. One after the other.

No one is finishing 15 laps at the Ring with your philosophy.

Last edited by Slartibartfast, Fri, 29 Sep 2006 04:04.

I think the art of door-to-door, or side-by-side, racing is lost on the majority of online racers. If someone gets along side, they believe the other should yield without compromise and continue on their optimum line. That's not how it works. It's a team effort, kiddies.

Don't get me wrong, if I see your front wheels in my ahead view, I'll back out and give way. But if you're right along side me, we're going through the corner *together*. This is where most people I meet lose the plot. At this point, both cars must compromise and take not so advantageous lines. It's called dicing and it can be beautiful. I've had races with some people, whom I favor unequivocally because of their group awareness, where we went back and forth for 10 or 15 laps in a row.

Now *that's* fun!

Quote from spookthehamster :

As my flag states, I'm in the UK. Hants, to be precise. Looks like you've got some sweet boards, my only other board is a Wefunk with Tracker RTX/RTS 139 and Pink SickSicks'.

Not sure where Hants is, but I get out London way once in a while. I have a nice map of skateparks accessable from the tube. Good to know there's some slalom going on too.