Quote from duke_toaster :

A RB4 WRC spec car (with the turbo restrictor out for RallyX?) would be sensible, but not dirt tyres on the FXO. With that body kit it would look sillier than a ferret in clown suit.

More silly than this???

http://www.webwombat.com.au/mo ... /images/evorally4-big.JPG



The skirts and splitter on the FXO GTR are a bit wrong I agree. Everyone uses realism as an argument for this and that. Fun factor should be more important imo.

Allowing dirt tyres on the FXO GTR would make for a good high-powered rallyx formula.

I used to love NFS2, was great doing insane jumps in the Lotus or electric car.

Who remembers Car&Driver? Now that was a cool game...

The first 'simulator' I used to play and for hours on end was Revs on the BBC. I believe this was a precursor to the great Microprose GP.

Oh yeah!! check this out: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FkTc_n_CLZw

Last edited by southamptonfc, Thu 22 Jan 2009, 17:26.

Quality: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v= ... nqsDQ&feature=related

I might try this on the M25 at the weekend

Some kind of 70s F1 car

I would feel that I'd been ripped off if this happens.

The only fun I get from these 'road' cars is being able to mess round with the setups and do crazy things.

I paid my license money to be able to play with setups, if that was taken away, I would feel cheated.

One option would be to allow full setup options in single player while having restrictions in multiplayer.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Not really - you get in, you drive it as fast as you can, you come in. The only difference is no laptiming and no competition. Or do you only drive gently on track days?

Edit: Really? You must be doing something very very wrong. Brake pad material won't burn until four figure temperatures (which you won't be reaching in any bulk mass), and steel would have been melting first. The fluid might boil, but it won't burn unless it leaks... I've never seen road car brakes catch fire without something seriously wrong with them (not including overuse).

I've seen it happen on lots of road cars and yes I do take it easy on my car at track days.

Quote from Electric Eye :

Let me ask you a question... Do you think anyone gives a s*** about your opinion towards this VW. Considering that the majority of people are happy to see it and are looking forward to gettin' it in the new patch.

World doesn't spin around you, never did. Go cry somewhere else.. jeez grown ups nowadays - act more imature than kids.

I don't care what people think of my opinion but lot's of people including yourself have decided to reply so you obviously do!

I'm not crying, I'm offering my opinion. That's what a forum is for....

Quote from tristancliffe :

What? That's just plain wrong. What about a trackday - plenty, if not all, road cars are up to track days with no modifications.
See above
Where they all caught fire?
Then stop arguing. If it's only an opinion, why the need to try and correct everyone? That's more than I would do!!
No they won't. Even if the oil temperature got very hot it would almost certainly still give enough oil pressure and lubrication. But perhaps the engine oil and brake fluid has been upgraded anyway?
A contradiction of what?

I'm just replying to replies to my posts!??!

Yes I've had brakes catch fire twice.

Quote from Forbin :

I would certainly hope that one who is racing a production car at least uses decent fluids (full synthetic oil, high-temp brake fluid, fresh coolant). A good set of brake pads and tires would not go amiss either. These are maintinence items that simply get more attention when racing and it's exactly what I did with my bike when I took it to the track, while still otherwise in street trim.

Agreed but again there is a big jump from a trackday to racing.

Ok, in nearly all cases unmodified road cars in real life cannot be raced. They simply aren't up to the stresses put on the car during racing. They will literally fall apart and catch fire.

So to go to all this effort to accurately reproduce a car that can't be used for racing (in stock form), in a racing sim is a bit of a contradiction imo.

And again IMO, this is a dull car, not something that I want to race - bear in mind that I have owned 3 VWs as I've already mentioned and had them on the ring.

I do agree that it might provide close racing but personally only the GTRs and faster Formula cars really do it for me so in this thread I'm expressing my opinion, that is all.

what I said applied to 99% of all road cars. Have you ever raced anything round a circuit?

Quote from Kaw :

Okay, so your saying that slow cars arent good for racing?

No, I'm saying stock production VWs are not good for racing.

The brakes will litterally catch fire within 2 laps. The oil temperature will go into danger levels within 10 laps, the oil will thin out and then engine will be damaged.

If the point is to model a VW scirroco completely accurately, then this should also happen. That's why I also don't like the restriction of setup options, there seems to be a contradiction there.

Quote from Zyrez :

Says who? Why is the XFG, or XRT for that matter, anymore of a racecar than the scirocco?

Checkout www.lfs.net - look at the big logo at the top of the page.

You could imagine the XFG and XRT to be track cars, they have adjustable suspension and brakes (which don't fade on track) and don't pretend to be any real life road car. Also as amp88 says, there is already the FXO.

Tristan - good point, well made.

If what you are doing doesn't bring you forward, then why the hell are you doing it in the first place?

Exactly my point.

Quote from Dajmin :

A sub-8s 0-60, 200hp shopping trolley? I don't think so.
Sounds like someone is just a VW hater and wants to whinge about it.

I'm interested in it, as are most people round here. It's got a short enough wheelbase and enough power to be fun, without being just another generic high-speed racing car from a generic high-speed racing game.

Could live without the TC, but that's a staple of most new cars so can't really be avoided. I'll be turning that off.

I've owned 3 VWs - 1 golf gti, 1 vr6 and a corrado vr6 so VW hater I don't think so!

I have driven the vr6s on track and can assure you they are GTs NOT racing cars - and this IS a racing game.

0-60 - 7.2 seconds.
197bhp
1296kg
152 bhp/tonne
FWD

I am I the only one who thinks this car is boring? I don't like to be negative for no reason but I find the idea of driving in a simulated version of VWs latest posh mums shopping mobile not very exciting. Will the sim be accurate enough for the brakes to fail after 2 laps like any normal VW would?

Maybe the developers are getting money for doing this, which will benefit LFS in the long run, in which case good. Otherwise I'd really like to see them doing some proper race cars please...

I voted yes because this is possibly the most stupid suggestion I have seen and that is really saying a lot!

I am a big Hamilton fan but I can understand his penalty, even though it is the first time that I can remember that someone has been penalised for that kind of thing.

Massa penality - fair enough.

Bordais penality - WTF? I'd like to see it onboard with Bordais to be 100% sure but it looked to be Massa's fault or a racing incident. Why did they wait until after the GP had finished? Everyone will be saying that stewards were told what to do and this will again be used as an example of Ferrari International Assistance, poor poor F1, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Even though Alonso is a gobsh!te, he is an awesome driver and showed it again today - brilliant drive.

Has anyone seem the new top score by sparkee? I can just about believe the MAX setting one but the MIN setting looks like utter lies.

It's a shame that people feel the need to do that when it's there as a guide for others.

Quote from tenmantaylor :

Just checked my trusty 8yr old Iiyama vision master and it goes upto 1920x1440@75hz and I can barely see what I am typing! I use 1280x1024@100hz tho.

LOL, I just found out that my Sun 21" will do 2048x1536 75hz in windows but I can't set it as a resolution in lfs. Does anyone know how to do that?

I use 1280x1024 100hz as well, it's hurting writing this message at 2048!

Thanks

For what it's worth I did a few tests with the lfsbench replay:

1024x768 8XAA 16AF Avg: 162.779 - Min: 113 - Max: 232
1280X1024 8XAA 16XAF Avg: 163.285 - Min: 114 - Max: 232
1280x1024 16xAA 16xAF GC-AA TAF-SS Avg: 157.085 - Min: 115 - Max: 213
1600X1200 8XAA 16XAF Avg: 161.560 - Min: 114 - Max: 231
1600X1200 16XAA 16XAF Avg: 161.248 - Min: 114 - Max: 232
1600X1200 16QXAA 16XAF Avg: 147.820 - Min: 112 - Max: 185
1600X1200 16QXAA 16XAF GC-AA TAF-SS Avg: 99.949 - Min: 56 - Max: 168

PC spec:
E8500 4.1 GHz
DDR3 1526 MHz 7-7-7-20
X48 chipset
9800 GTX OC

So only when turning on 16xAA Q(uality) mode did the framerate start to drop, even at 1600x1200, then Gamma corrected AA and Transparrency AF have even more effect.

Last edited by southamptonfc, Mon 6 Oct 2008, 21:03.

ok sorry, I thought 3700+ was an althon xp, it's an althon 64.

Anyway, the core2 still does more operations per clockcyle than the a64 or phenom, that's why it's quicker at the same or less clockspeed.

Compare the 3700+, ~3ghz vs my 3.4ghz P4 extreme (2mb cache) - 26seconds vs 36 seconds again because the A64 did more operations per clock cycle than the P4.

I really think that you'll see that LFS and super pi show very similar results when comparing cpus.

Last edited by southamptonfc, Thu 2 Oct 2008, 16:30.

Jakg -Intel has NOT always been better at super pi. Athlons 64s would beat Intel P4s clock for clock and to compare an intel core2 quad against an althlon xp clock for clock is utterly stupid - the intel does load more operations per clock cycle.

As I said, Althon 64s used to own P4s in LFS.

Gerer_AL - what's your pi time? As Vari said, most games are gpu bound and so don't show the true difference between cpus. LFS and super pi are both cpu tests and as such it would be interesting to compare.

Last edited by southamptonfc, Thu 2 Oct 2008, 15:26.