Quote from DieKolkrabe :

Serious Q

Do the positions of the bolts affect weight distribution?

Yes.

If you are using 4 - 8 ( Hubcap in center, four around that, eight around that ) then you are excellent distribution Having 2 would off balance it If you use I (Bolt, Centercap, Bolt) Then when you roll around till the bolts look like --- Then you are bearing alot of weight on them, could cause metal fatigue.

I suppose, I'm going to see if it effects the ride of my car, will report back in a few

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Weed is illegal in Canada as well.

We have stores that sell bongs and other paraphernalia. Possession and even use is typically tolerated without charges. Use should still be kept to your own private property though. It's the growing that they get a bit annoyed with.. but even that is tolerated so long as you're not mass producing.

You know, This explains why people in canada have lowered mental abilitys. Store buggy + Staircase = LETS ****ING DO IT. But yet, The broken bones in the end is what makes me smile. Oh wells..

Quote from The Moose :

You keep repeating this.

Is everyone who has a few drinks to have fun or relax immature in your eyes?

No, But we aren't talking about alcohol, Long as it's done in private and you don't try to operate a crane it's fine, I guess.

Quote from Foilpact :

Lol that has to be the most naive, sheltered teenie comment in this thread.

I suppose u have the same POV about all those over 21yo workers that goto Hooters after a hard weeks work just to "let their hair down"?. Chances are quite a few of them are parents and they seem to be doing ok, Even tho booze is alot worse than most drugs out there.

Or maybe u just want another prohibition law so nobody can have fun?

Still u look young, give it a few years and u will have looked past all the FUD laws and seen that the grass really is greener on the other side... Well with purple and neons and electric snakes in the sky too depending on ur current state...

I don't care if you're 90 and a war veteran, I have the same POV for everyone, If you take drugs, To have fun " relax " Or whatever you want to do with whatever psychedelic colours you wish to see, Hey! That's fine with me. But it shows how mature you are. And I've never fought the fact booze is worse than these drugs, Seeing everything in green blue and red is probably better than seeing sextuplets of the same thing. I have a few friends that take drugs, But I've never downed them.

And sorry, I don't plan to use drugs or drink or smoke, Whatever grass is green on your side, It's probably the ganja. My side is filled with flowers, hello kitty designs and all that good stuff.

And saying I'm sheltered.. well, you didn't see where I came up at, Either. I knew what orgies and rainbow parties where before I knew how to ride a bike without training wheels.

Last edited by TehPaws3D, Tue 9 Nov 2010, 19:13.

Quote from logitekg25 :

logilove!! where?? :hide:

In around your mouth and around another special place.

Just come out of the logilove closet.

Quote from Jakg :

Is that meant to be your poor excuse for an argument?

Typically you make a point and justify it, rather than blurting out your opinion and some insults.

There is no argument, I was stating my opinion, And I never insulted anyone, If you do drugs, Hey, You do them, In my opinion you just aren't mature? Do you have a problem with my opinion?

Quote from The Moose :

holding down jobs and raising their kids in a perfectly responsible manner.

Sorry, But if you take drugs to have " Fun" or " Crack up with some friends " You aren't ready to have kids and or have a job, As your brain/mind has never matured out of mommy will save me mode.

This is just my 2 cents, I'm sure you guys will flame me, But it's not responsible anyway you throw it.

Are you implying that it's okay to set a role model for kids that "Drugs are fine.. just don't take them while cops are around or while doing certain things, But when you aren't SMOKE UP!!!!" ( Or shoot up, I don't care. )

Someone please close this before it spreads to a degree of logi-love...

Help!

This has gone horridly backwards and wrong.

So yeah, It's either car manufacturers making you have more bolts for safety, Or it's more bolts for more evenly distributed weight.

That's quite realistic.

And I will be your nightmares Becky. <3 What have I done! XD

Quote from Jakg :

As lovely is this discussion is, the "best" answer i've had to so far is the one that is the most wrong.

Well then, You'll just have to ask car people.

But Wikipedia is probably right. ( In this case )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_cap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lug_nut

The bolt circle is the circle determined by the positions of the bolts; the center of every bolt lies on the circumference of the bolt circle.
The important measurement is the "pitch circle diameter" (PCD), usually expressed in millimeters, although inches are sometimes used. For a 4- or 6-bolt car, this measurement is merely the distance between the center of two diametrically opposite bolts. In the 4-bolt picture to the right, this would be the distance between holes #1 and #4. Some basic geometry is needed to find the center of a 5-bolt pattern: But basically, the PCD can be found by multiplying the center distance between any two adjacent holes by 1.701.


Generally, the PCD can be calculated for any wheel from the number of bolts (n) and the measured center distance between two adjacent bolts (d) as; PCD = d / SIN(180°/n).
A 1974 MG B is a 4/4.5" (4/114.3) car, meaning it is, again, a 4-bolt pattern with a 4.5" or 114.3 mm bolt circle.
The most common PCD values are 100 mm and 114.3 mm. This difference arises from the manufacturers' measurement convention - whether they are designing around metric values (100 mm) or imperial values (4.5 inches, i.e. 114.3 mm).
Note: there are exceptions and some metric car models have imperial rims (4.5").

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

-snip-

Round of applause to you, Superb and well spoken. I don't need substances or liver killing alcohol to have fun with my group of friends either.

But some people are different, And you can't deny that.

Quote from Osco :

I stopped playing NFS as soon as they suggested using NOS to gain rear wheel traction. Nothing good will come from this

Where did you see this? And they are talking about simulations, I'm pretty sure they will get it without NOS. Shift's Nitrous was kinda realistic.

Quote from Shotglass :

whell he was an american and the only reports of runaway toyotas were in the us (probably largely because anyone in the rest of the world would automatically press the clutch if the engine did anything unexpected and unwanted)

Maybe you should think about automatic cars not having clutches standard in US. What would be the point in a transmission that does it for you.

Quote from Shotglass :

well he was an american citizen working for the us government... so what else would i call him?

You could have a moment of ****ing humanity and call him deceased. Does it matter he was American at that time? If it was a German, Could I call him retarded? And that ever other German is retarded? Oh wait, Just poking fun! I can because I'm from the US! nahnahnahnahnaaah. F*** off.

Quote from Shotglass :

maybe... but its a little untoward to say something like that considering you only know me from this thread in which ive hardly said anything that wasnt either correct or toungue in cheek (most of which you didnt get)

I know enough to say you're a dick, And thats a good grasp of what you probably are in real life too unless you treat internet like a sandbox thus giving you privileges to run around like a 5 year old on a sugar rush, Yes.

Quote from Shotglass :

for what its worth i dont drive a vw and neither do i particularly like them (see the comment about german cars being boring somehwere above)... they are decently engineered however

Maybe you don't get the shit your shoveling, doc.

Quote from Shotglass :

iirc it was never made public what actually caused that particularly car to accelerate
the fact that he had plenty of options and time to stop the car remains though

People don't think rationally when they are scared shitless, I'm sure he tried what he thought would work, Maybe it didn't work, He's still dead, That doesn't mean you can pop off with smart ass remarks like you thought he could have done better, What were you grading his performance?

Anyway, I'm not doing this anymore with you, Your smartass mind will obviously not ever change, I pitty you. Must be rough not knowing what emotional feelings feel like.

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Quote from Shotglass :

that lexus story prompted some rather long discussion back in the day
lets look at some facts
1) the guy driving was a traffic cop (so he should have had loads of driving experience) and the following remedies didnt occur to him
2) pressing the brake pedal will stop any car even with the gas pedal stuck at full throttle (ignoring the rare exceptions of badly tuned cars with big engines and brakes that werent upgraded to match the new engine)
3) it didnt occur to him to put the car in neutral
4) it didnt occur to him to turn the engine off
5) it didnt occur to him to reach down an yank on the floor mat
6) he had plenty of time to think of all these... heck he even had the time to call 911... and they werent able to think of these 3 perfecly viable and 100% effective solutions either

Hmm, Well maybe if you thought of the technical details before you pulled your head out of your ass you might have not stirred that up don't you agree? Calling him a " American " Just because the car ****ed up ( It isn't made in the US, And it's not really mattering now ) That dude is dead, So is his family! The fact that you call him a American and the fact that he ****ed up because he was one means you're a heartless bastard that deserves to be hung in public, Maybe when your VW crashes into a tree at +150 KPH I'll just be laughing my ass off at your window like "SEE? GERMANS ****ED UP DIDN'T THEY!" Maybe even do a dance, You disgust me.

Quote from Shotglass :

additionally off the top of my head it was the only case of a runaway toyota that was proven to be a mechanical issue (although calling a stuck floormat a mechanical issue is streching it a bit)

Read, I said "It was the floor mats they thought, Then it was mechanical" That does not mean a peice of fabric has turned mechanical.

Quote from Shotglass :

when driven by americans (some 97ish% of all reported cases turned out to be people who were too stupid to tell the brake and gas pedal apart)

You're ****ing heartless, Tell that to the four family members that died that where going 55 MPH in a 60 MPH zone, Now I'm seriously pissed at you. It was the floor mats they thought, Then it was mechanical, What, Does the metal crafted from the USA kill people too? Seriously, Go **** off in a German village before you make me fly down to wherever the hell you are and make me kick your ass.

Quote :

One recent spectacular car crash has been blamed on the defective mats. In August 2009, a California family was traveling in a 2009 Lexus ES 350 when the car's accelerator became stuck. The runaway vehicle could not be stopped, and reached a speed of 120 mph before crashing, rolling off the highway, and catching fire. All four family members were killed

Quote from RasmusL :

http://www.pistonslap.com/

Right.... American cars are getting much better.

Okay, You took (1) country and took (1) bad thing about it and said "oh look these cars are so much better"

You can't do that, Just like Toyota cars can't stop, Ford cars have airbags that can deploy unintentionally, Mercedes c230's have numerous problems ( Some come defective, It can't be helped ) And Bentley has hood ornaments that don't retract in a crash.

Does that mean you can classify all cars that come from that country suck? Hell no you can't. Just because some dweeble nerd had a piston that knocked, And about another 5000 or so have it does not mean the whole production line is shit.


Before you(s) As a person, Says American cars suck, I would love for you to know, That America is probably the only country that can pull itself out of the water with the same cars you call bullshit, Detroit holds Ford and GM, When stimulus came out, Ford did not take a cent from it, Meanwhile, everyone's getting unemployed, And Detroit gets left behind. 6 Months later ford is telling the government to go **** themselves as ford pulled some 1.20+ billion more than expected in annual revenue ( Or profit, Can't remember off the top of my head ).

You might be thinking - What the hell does this have to do with anything, Well, Read on. Since Detroit was left behind, Truckers went on strike, etc, It went to hell in a hand-basket. Now since Detroit pulled themselves out, They will need trucks to ship across states, That's jobs for truckers, Salesmen, Etc. That's pretty amazing for the cars you(s) insinuated where shit.

Becky - Stop getting the hornies for me, I know I must be straight beautiful in your mind, But I'm not quite ready for any lesbianism. ( maaybe.. )

But I do love screaming.


Edit.

Quote from Shotglass :

no theyre all fat guys in stained wife beaters pretending to be girls

Wow, Nice letting us know you're that sad lonely basement nerd that things men control the internet and can't except that there might be some different gender out on the internet.

Quote from Shotglass :

i dunno... why do cars in the us break down so much in general? im in florida right now and so far on every single journey ive seen at least 3 stranded cars on the side of the road... and most of them were quite new no older than 5 years by the looks of it

Your point? Why not tell us the make and model of the cars, And why does it matter you are in Florida? Are you still on the US cars suck rofllolol shit?

Quote from Shotglass :

maybe thats a us thing
in germany german cars arent really all that expensive especially not if you stick to vw and used 3 series or a4s or similar (a mint condition e46 will probably set you back 6-8k euros)
also most cars in germany (german or otherwise) run fine for 15+ years without any major problems

Who really wants a VW. Cars everywhere run fine for 15+ years, Depends are if you a dick with it or if you take care of it.

Quote from Shotglass :

the rental camaro i got right now is a piece of something unpleasant
certainly doesnt stand for every american car but considering its americas attempt at something sporty and good to drive i dont even wanna know what a bad american car is like
not that i particularly like german cars (most of them are dull beyond what words can express) but id honestly take a golf over the camaro any day (or any car with a manual for that matter)

Okay seriously, You're starting to piss me off, If the Camaro is so bad, Go fly yourself a VW ( God those cars suck ) You're the people that just don't understand anything but your own nationality. Would you like me to say everything American sucks? Go drive a mustang. They come in manuals. So do Camaro's.

Quote from Shotglass :

i have no intention of buying a german car any time soon either
ill stick to italian and japanese for now as they at least didnt forget how to make fun cars until relatively recently (ie right around the time honda decided to discontinue the s2000)

Jappanese cars are fun but they can only go some 8,000+ miles from what I hear without repair.

Quote from Shotglass :

but theres more to engineering than cars and if were honest quite a few of the biggest american successes in engineering are actually german
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

I'm pretty sure some German stuff is American as well.

Last edited by TehPaws3D, Mon 8 Nov 2010, 00:39.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Me and Paws we just win because the entire forum wants to sleep with one or the other of us.

Nearly had a good tease going with the hitting on her in another thread too which would have given us tonnes of ammo, but she thought I was serious which blew the ruse. Ho hum.

Mind you with the way things are going in my love life lately I may have to resort to men, so if she changes her mind i'll be on the next flight...

Oh my..

You'd seriously fly over? I honestly didn't think you'd do that. ( See how cool Russians are? Attracting people across the world. )

Quote from DevilDare :

Was reading VitualR couple days ago, and apparently the pre released version of Shift had much, much better physics. But for some reason they decided to dumb it all down...

Well, we'll see what happens with Shift 2.

Because the average gamer went..


OMG LOL! DAT CAR WONT TURN! ITS THE FASTEST CAR WITH ALL PROFORMENCE UPGRAEDE AND IT WONT TURN WTF WTF SUCKKY ASS GAME.

That my friends is why alot of simulation games get dumbed down.

Quote from brandons48 :

Pffft. Say it

Or PM it, go on, dare you

You wish.

Quote from Inouva :

TehPaws3D and becky rose, best combo here

Are you implying something?

Quote from RasmusL :

WTF did this thread turn into? This is a kindergarten

When a crazy ass German steps in the room shit gets intense.

How is this thread not closed yet...

I'm still wondering, Can't we just lock this, Put it in thread of the year, Never let it be deleted, And.. erm.. rejoice?

Quote from DieKolkrabe :

...wtf?

slow sandwiches and lfs rides??

You need to get laid to clear yer head!

He needs to be put down like old yeller, Not only would this do me a favor, I would have much less stress.

Someone at collage humor needs to cut this lad a check.

Quote from Shotglass :

and therein lies the fundamental difference between europeans and americans
europeans dont get offended if you poke fun at their heritage... instead theyll fire back a few insults and laugh about it

and in the spirit of things:
you started it!

Are you saying that I am not European? And you started this whole conversation, you yellow.. red and black person.

Quote from Deejayyaj :

We're just here to laugh infinitely at your massive fail and explain what is acceptable and not.

And also laugh infinitely.

Fixed, Thought you wouldn't mind much.

Also. " Probably because you were there that he recorded with tits, realize the fact that LFS and children playing. And rules are rules. "

If google does nothing in my entire life, It makes me smile constantly.

Nice to see you guys back up and running, Just don't go mental on us again!