ok, i need help with something. im picking the pairings for a race, but want it to be as impartial as it can be, so im getting someone who dont have anything to do with the cup.

if you can help, itll be maybe 5 mins, then pm me and ill tell you how it goes.

thanks
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i just coughed

shift?!?!? what the hell?

and what are gears??

ohh, i think this will explain so much for my lap times

ooh, i met a guy with a r1 engined go-kart, it was stupidly quick, and really long/wide, to aid stability.
there is also a guy in reading with a zxr400 engined one, but i dunno if he finished it

wow, thank you guys, this thread has really turned its self around, and i respect all of you for that.

also, im very grateful for all the kind words out there, and its all in the name of getting the CRC and its coming improvments out there, and to promote my name as some one who will and can get anything done(ok, that last bit i just thought of, but hey...gotta try)

im putting together bits and bobs and will start to, point by point, go though them.

thanks everyone for yoursupport, however it is displayed.

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i did, i asked what do you want from the CRC, which turned into what do you think of the CRC which turned into why do you hate/disagree the CRC

im not trying to gain any power. im trying to get a view of how the community, or at least the ones who can be bothered to post, think of us as an orginisation. this will allow me to get a picture, and then a possible list of solutions.

if im supposed to worry about the people who cant be bothered to type cause they dont think its worth it, well how do i fix that, its like a woman, they think you can read minds...we cant, and im doing this to try and, once again, get a picture

im not asking for advice, im asking for thoughts.

guys, this is to both 'sides' can we please keep any arguments or bad thoughts towards each other in private messages, this thread is for my bennefit, and your in the future, not another slagging match.

right, is there anything that i missed off the list, or is this all down and ok?
if it is, then this thread is obsolete and can be deleted. unless you want it as a slagging match, in which case, only after im done.

sort it out

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Last edited by v4forlife, Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:18.

wow, that helps me so much. thankyou

in my opinion, however highly looked upon, i think that its the passers duty to get by, and as long as the person in front doesnt make sudden and abvious attempts to cut someone up, then it is the passers fault.

so, the basic jists are:
1. there is not a definate enough divide between ATC members, and CRC admins.
2. with the above in mind, the ATC is not looked upon as being a 'good' team(take good for whatever you decide it may or may not mean)
3. as there is a username ban, there is no need for the CRC in S2
4. the application process doesnt work as people are not voting for the applicants
5. more variety:the only visable car used are fwd cars.
6. the above point wouldnt be as much of a problem if the servers were used sometimes
7. personal differences with certain member or admins(can/cannot be resolved)
8. original members shouldnt have been deleted(nothing can be done now, sorry)
9. the CRC seems to be involved with too many leagues, events or server choices that do not promot the clean racing that the name suggests.
10. democratic leadership, what we says go and if you disagree, your banned/muted

ive jotted down what i could remember from the above posts, but i have prob missed something. if i have, please, tell me, so i can put it in here, and have all the points in one place.

thanks
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Last edited by v4forlife, Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:16.

touring cars. if you or anyone else reads the introduction page for the stock cup, it says i got the idea after watching the brands round of BTCC

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I've never thought that this would work, and still don't. There's a world of difference between being told what to do in a "safe environment" and being able to do it in a full race. I think experience is the key, and so I think CRC should be giving people valuable race experience. Hence my criticism of the full-contact racing events they're always organising.

ok, i agree with the experiance bit, and it is something that we need to think about, and see what would be best, and in what light to show it.

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First up: Criticising anything on the CRC forums generally resulted in condescending responses from the admins suggesting the complainant was too thick to understand why things were done the way they were done, or the classic "If you don't like it..." blinkers-on approach, and a blacklisting for whoever was doing the complaining, as evidenced by the constant references to every criticism I'd ever made during my final argument with the admins and references by several of them to me showing my "true colours" - like I was some sort of wolf in sheep's clothing. These threads would then deteriorate due to poor handling by the admin team to the point where they would eventually be closed and deleted, with the issue never actually getting resolved, in order to save face.

i personally listen to all the suggestions, but when it gets into arguments, i dont listen, as this is not the best way to do anything. i agree that personal feelings have, in the past, gotten in the way of settling disagreements, but in the future, i will personally make sure that this is not done.

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Second: There isn't enough of a distinction between the ATC team and the CRC, made worse by the fact that most CRC admins are members of ATC, and vice versa. This results in a closing of ranks by fiercely-loyal ATC members whenever CRC is criticised, because they take it as one of their own being "attacked". This does not make for a situation conducive to resolving problems.

yes, the majority of the admins are atc members, but the majority also divide the 2 brands. i personally wear the atc badge and the crc badge seperatly, and neither describes me. i agree with what the crc is doing, and i find the atc guys friendly, but as a rule, i race for my self, unless in a specific team event. standing up for your team is important, and can sometimes be seen as something else, but these are the issues that we are trying to address.atc and crc are 2 seperate orginisations, and they should be viewed that way.

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Third: The applications process doesn't work. I signed up for it myself eventually, and lapped with CRC admins and members on numerous occasions over several weeks but was apparently deemed an unclean driver as I never became a member. I know I'm safe, have never wrecked, make no more silly mistakes than anybody else does, so I can only assume that either the applications procedure is broken or there is some unspoken rule that I personally was not to be accepted. I am certainly less accident-prone than Stoney, who is supposed to be running the show, so it can't have been anything to do with my driving.

the applications system does work, but only as much as the members are willing too. we encourage the members to vote, and try to keep that up, but if they choose not too, then we cannot demand that they do. something i have found, is that it is a 'right place at the right time' case with alot of people. we will continue to encourage active voting, but this cannot garentee(sp) people becoming members, as only the current members can do that.

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Fourth: The CRC appears obsessed with bureauocracy. There are pages and pages of rules, regulations and written procedures dotted around in various locations of the website, all of which each individual is expected to have found and studied. There are also unwritten rules and procedures which are only quoted when they become necessary to shut someone up (like the official procedure for making a suggestion, for example).

every racing orginisation has a large, detailed set of rules, and we at the crc are no different. as far as the unwritten rules, im not sure i understand, but i will look into making sure all rules are put into one place, and that they all are outlined, with no 'unwritten' rules being called into play.

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Fifth: The CRC is terribly inefficiently run. There are how many staff, a dozen? More? And they're still asking for more people to help run it. Given that there are less than fifty people who could be called "regulars" there, and many of them are on the admin team, why are so many man-hours required to keep the place up and running? This results in animosity towards any suggestion that changes are required, because apparently a dozen people are voluntarily working their arses off achieving very little and the thought that they might be wasting all that effort doesn't make them happy bunnies.

firstly, there are only 6 staff members. accordingly to other sources, in previously run version of the crc, there were 20 admins. with the number of regulars, we cannot regulate who visits the sight, we can only encourage them. i personally dont see the point in signing up, and then not posting, or visiting the sight ever again.
about the work load, we do work, and alot of it is behind the scenes. maintaining the site, pruning through the irrelevant posts in sections and keeping other aspects, such as events, up to date. the suggestions towards the changes required...well thats what this is for, so i can take a hand on what people in the community that we are trying to work for wants.

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Sixth: The XFR. Nearly all of the racing on CRC servers is done in the XFR. Quite how touring around in one of the easiest cars to control is going to prepare anyone for driving anything other than the XFR safely I've no idea. The CRC should be offering people a range of different experiences if the intention is to help people race cleanly.

i agree. i have become kind of sick of the xfr, and will make sure that different settings are availible to other racing pedigrees.


dont worry about the language, i can take it, im a big boy, lol.

thank your for your honesty, as suger coating never helps people and companies develop.
i hope i have answered your questions or gave suitible comments kevin. if not, please address then one at a time, as i get bored writing long posts.

thanks
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apart from th's comment, 'ditto', thats all usefull. i have heard alot of it before, but i am going to take everything on board this time, as i do want to improve the CRC. i realise that the whole concept of the stock cup is questionable, and i have been considering things for a few weeks now, but i have yet to decide anything.
we are trying to get into the demo server alot more, and to offer more to them, while ocntinueing with the current S2/S1 members.
one of the features that we are trying to get working, albeit slowly, is a racing and driving school, to allow less experianced drivers to develop their race craft with approved instructors, in safe environments. this will help bring the level of 'dangerous' drivers down, hopefully, and improve the level of racing found in the LFS community.

now, to kev and th.
i was not involved in, nore did i venture into any of the disagreements on the CRC forums, so i dont know what went on, but i want any and all constructive ideas, opinions and critisisms to be put forth, even if you have said it a million times.

please, continue.

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where are the pics of his bike??? i wanna see what he has

kev, mate, i know you have, or have had problems with certain crc admins or members, and they may have problems with you. but i am personally doing this my way, i think. im gonna listen to all ideas, as long as they are constructive. so please, make a constructive critisism, or dont make one at all. thats all im asking.

thanks
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ps, if anyone would like, you can PM me your suggestions and ideas/critisms. i will then submit them by no-one, so if you have or have had problems with the CRC, or any representatives of the CRC, these will be over looked as there will be no name attached.

Last edited by v4forlife, Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:44.

well, i dont drive, i ride. and im 21 now, been riding since i was 17. had a ns125r then, and i crashed it on christmas eve on blackice/diesel outside a industrial estate. i was a new rider, and it was kinda expected to lay it down. then after 2 years with that, and me getting my restricted test done, i got a vfr400 nc30. this i crashed, again, near christmas. 7am, just finished a night shift, went round a r-about next to a petrolstation and went down, i was going maybe 5 mph, but the small damage there was enough to, when on the motorway afterwards, rip off the right hand side fairings...all of it. then i got pulled accross on by some dappy bitch in a mpv, so i either went into her, wrecking my forks or lay it down, and letting my crash bungs take the force. i layed it down. now my bike is in good working order, and i aint crashed it since, but im not gonna say i wont, cause i cant count on pillock car drivers.

my brother, now he has been driving since jan 05, and its now nov 05.
car 1 : pug 205 1.1-trashed the engine, running with no oil-goes into the garage to get fixed

car 2: vw polo 1.0- had it a week, and runs righ across a road and into a 4 inch thick post, writes it off.

the same day he gets the first car out of the garage, fixed...lucky

2 months later, he wrecks the engine on car 1 again.

car 3 : pug 205 1.0- he some how rolls the car going down a slight hill and round a slight corner, says he wasnt speeding. take out a old mans garden and almost kills himself, for the first time in ages, he was actually wearing his seatbelt.

car : 4 ford fiests mk3 1.1-he still has this, and has already fitted lexus lights and a sound system.

the first 3 cars, my dad bought him and payed for his insurance, on my dads insurance aswell. the ford, my brother is paying for.
i still wont get in a car with him

...From the CRC. we are going to, over the next few months, be improving the CRC ten-fold, and it will all be based on ideas and opinions from the community. The CRC is a club for the community, and only they can tell us how to make it better.
so what could we do to improve?
what would you like to see happen?
if your not a member or applicant, what is stopping you from giving 2 mins of your time to sign up?
how could we improve this?

please, add all of your ideas, opinions and critisism's, but please, no slagging off the CRC. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM ONLY PLEASE, as we cannot gain anything by being told we are crap, or that you can be bothered to sign up.

thank you
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i personally dont want real tracks, as its much more fun doing the made up ones. besides, i ride the nurburgring in real life, and im doing the IoMtt(well mad sunday) next year

i was sortof told off for posting in the general discucssion area, so here ya go

http://www.fabrica.it/flipbook ... p?id=1130159941-195932171

http://www.fabrica.it/flipbook ... p?id=1130153397-195932171

i belive so, there was one guy running about with a vid-cam, and of course wills helmet cam

just waiting for the stuff to be uploaded
HURRY UP GUYS!!!lol

well the site was posted on a biker forum i go on, and i got to messing about, made a few stickman death ones, and seeing as im a CRC admin and the runner of the stock cup, i figured, why not, i aint got nothin better to do.

lol, cheers, i know this has very little relevance to anything, but i just wanted to show everyone cause i like it. i have some other ones that have less relevance, but i wont post those....unless its wanted

it was infact me, i did turn up, eventually, after getting seriously lost. it took me near 3 hours to get there...from cambridge, lol, i even rode down the right street 45 mins before i turned up, but oh well. it was a good day, although short for me, and the karting looked very proffesional, especially will and marks driver changes. would have been nice if my slr was working but oh well, it happens.

btw, you gotta admit, my bike does sound nice, lol.

good to sorta meet you all

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