Great news. I was actually looking for an online racinggame again to play and it might as well be LFS. Great the collisions are improved and the open tracks are great news for the cruisers.

Lol, blackwood in Netkar pro. I must admid it looks good.

Why would it be smaller if it is laserscanned? The idea of that is to get it 1:1 till in fine details.

I think that would be great because I need to practice a lot to be with the first 60. I haven't played LFS for about a year and on the first day I was already 2 seconds short on most people

Prequalification closes temperately on Thursday during the race when it starts on Wednesday?

I'm waiting for the patch, but i've not been playing LFS for over a year now because of that. I've always been optimistic, but I think it is dying. If you look at reviews of Sims the edge LFS had is gone. Physics are still good but it looses on everything else (sound, details, cars, tracks).

I still hope S3 will bring back LFS like it was. A great sim that does things differently then other sims but can compete with them and is better at some parts. But I don't know, we were hoping for the Sirocco to be released with Christmas 2008. Sure things can delay, but in the end a game is like a rockstar. If you don't score a hit every once in a while people loose interest.

You already have random failures in online races. Only a different kind, your connection can stop working, or your pc, or your wheel. I don't think it is fun to add random flat tires.

Quote from 14chevy14 :

if cars had parts falling off..that would cut a tire

That would not be random but just you driving through crap. Actually that is not such a bad idea. The same thing could be done with sharp rocks in the rally courses when you go off track.

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Maybe a modernized version of one of the cars to be added to S3 would be cool, but the current cars should stay as is.

I would like such a thing, but not to watch movies on or listen music with or play games. It would be a cool remote controll for MPD (but not at these prices ), e-book and e-mail reader. But for these things it's better to buy some cheap Chinese Windows Mobile tablet (that only costs 100 euro).

I still have my HTC Shift to use as a tablet, but it's a bit crippled by HTC (they removed a lot of functionality in the software, while that thing has all the hardware it needs).

I don't think the cars should change. A lot of them look like '90s models, they were allready older models in 2003

Newe cars for S3 could have a more modern look.

Quote from anttt69 :

it is like real racing apart from:

• The Sounds
  
• The Vibrations
  
• The Smells
  
• The G-forces
  
• The Locations
  
• The Costs
  

in essence its a long way from the real thing.

And it adds

• lag
  
• reset or start over from pits with a repaired car immediately
  
• chatting
  
• always the same weather conditions
  
• chips and cola
  

Take a deep breath and just play an other game, and come back after the update. What other game you bought in July 2007 has offered this vallue for money that you still receive free updates on it?

How is it more difficult to use your clutch with a "full manual" (American's with them automatics )

Shortcuts

Let's give all the drivers a mariokart

Nice movie. Rearwheeldrive can be fun in the snow, but if you need to be really skilled to drift on an empty parking space

Quote from zeugnimod :

I think you definately are wrong on this one.

Then make it UF1. If someone chooses that it is their loss

Quote from Ger Roady :

The tyre model is analog ,not digital. Digital would be Hot or cold . Analog is with many, many steps between this two circumstances .( like we have now )

Many, many steps is stil digital. Analog is a continues movement, not steps

I'll just wait till it comes. I don't play that more also.

How do you know it takes extra time for the flatspots?

I think the updates conflict each other that much that therefor it takes long.

New Tire model: probably planned to go with the announcement of S3 to give it a big improvement (like S2 was a big improvement when first alpha came out).
Scirocco: Waiting for tire model because it's a real life car with some electronic assistants that are new for LFS and did not work out like planned
New Track: Waiting for S3, probably new tire model and some more S3 content to go with it.

And off course it's taking slower because everything is getting more complex with each update. If you update one track, other tracks look outdated, the same when you update one car. The new tire model sounds like a lot of work. It the base of the sim and it needs to be correct for all the different tires (road, super road, offroad, soft slick, hard slick) cars with different weight and power.

Quote from Dac :

For all the "true" fans who are trying to take the moral high-ground in this, how long exactly would you be willing to wait for a significant update, 3 more months? a year? 5 years? I seriously doubt you would be willing to wait 10 years.

To be honest I am looking for an other sim that gives good cup-races and has a nice community and leagues like LFS has. But that doesn't mean I won't play LFS anymore when an update arrives. If S3 came out in 2012 (when the world has allready ended ) I would still buy it. I can't say for 10 years though. Interests change

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Quote from hazaky :

These boost0rz are either spyware or they just crank up your GPU clocks until it fries. These programs are worthless, i dont recommend anyone to use it

Some people already mentioned it closes backgroundservices and programs. Then I think "why start them up", like bunder9999 said. And how does that make games run faster. With the low memory prices game's aren't going to run much faster because there is plenty of memory in computers these days.

In 10 years we will be driving the Scirocco on the Rockingham Motor Speedway with our Logitech G31 with 8-speed shifter and 3D glasses and Blackwould would have gotten an other update.

Any chance for a second TBO cup on a different day since the first one got full pretty easy?

Quote from Shotglass :

wouldnt an f1 technology satnav only get you from a to ... well a after driving around in circles for 300km

Yes you have to drive around voor 300 km, till your fueltank is almost empty, then it navigates you into a truck that brings you to B.

Quote from e.M :

what were other choises?

Rfactor, iRacing. But that names didn't make it

I played the demo in August 2002 (proof) but I did not have a wheel then and i could not get used to steering with the mouse. Coming from NFS games I wanted keyboard controls.

Too bad I forgot about the game to rediscover it years later.

Quote from JeffR :

I assume this is an indirect comment on the slow pace of development with a 3 person team. I recall back in late 2005 or early 2006 making what seemed like a pessimistic prediction that S3 would be released in 2009, in a post at RSC, and later in 2007 here at LFS forum:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=586307#post586307

One of the issues I mentioned back then is if a flaw was discovered in some core part of the physics model, it would take a very long time to rewrite that part of the code with just 3 people, and this is essentially what has happened now with the tire physics. My guesstimate is this will end up being about a 10 month hit on LFS's progress.

In the meantime, S2 has ended up with more content than what was expected back in 2005, at least in terms of cars, so what we have now is more like S2.7 than S2.0. I'm not sure what the original planned differences between S2 and S3 were supposed to be.

Regarding the "10 years", a more appropriate time period would be 10 years after the July 2003 release date of LFS S1, and I'm sure that the final version of LFS will be released before July 2013. The main issue is that it will seem outdated compared to other racing games that will be released by 2013, in terms of physics as well as graphics. I still think there will be a fan base that likes the "feel" of LFS.

LFS has always been unique. There haven't been many cross-overs from the Papy/ISI community (most of these moved on to rFactor and the GTR series, a small number are iRenters now). Instead LFS has developed its own unique base of players, which has evolved somewhat over the years, but still draws a relatively large number of online players compared to other games.

To put this into perspective, how many 10 year old games are still being played? For the NFS series that would be High Stakes, with less than 50 'active' players in the community (iplounge, hsscoring). Grand Prix Legends is 11 years old, with a surprising amount of effort put into mods and visual updates for a game that was never that popular, although most of that work is completed now (JR Pearson is still doing a solo project working on the Isle of Mann track for GPL). I'm not sure how big that community is. EA F1 series players and modding community moved onto rFactor, so it's essentially gone. NR2003 activity is way down since the server was shut down years ago, and it was released about the same time as LFS started.

On a related note, how will the current players interests change over the next 3 to 10 years, and how will this affect the fan base of the current or future racing games?

I count myself in the fanbase, but lately I notice I drive less and less in LFS. And that is because of change of interests indeed. I hope the Scirocco will come soon, not that I think that will be the greatest car LFS has to offer but it will lead to some cup-leagues in a not to difficult car and that is something I would like now. Maybe I should try some other game for a while, but I still like the feel of LFS (i tried and bought race07, but never played it much)

I still hope LFS will get more then one real track. Because now games get better you can use lines and techniques you learn in one game in an other so everything you learn won't become useless when LFS reaches the end of the product-line.