Quote from Dennis93 :

That's how it works in LFS; Hence why I wrote the message.
I'm fairly familiar with tires...

In LFS this is not the case too. The LFS also has operating range, how will you get faster lap time, at 60 tire temp or at 160?

But in imao grip after OR drops so hard that you feel like you're on snow or something until tire pop. In reality, the grip also falls after OR, but not as much. I illustrated how i feel it in the picture.

Quote from Dennis93 :

More worn tires = better grip, that would be step one to change.

In reality, it doesn't work quite like that. As I wrote above tire has a "operating range" This is the range of temperature of the tire where is grip with the surface is greatest. Before OR and after OR there is a decline in the grip. And the grip gradually drops until the wear runs out tire to the cord of tire and here the grip falls dramatically until tire pop.

Quote from k_badam :

Not sure what the point of this thread is? The topic of tyre physics and the various improvements it needs/is getting has been done to death.

Sсawen just starting working on this topic more actively lately. And probably it's important whether the opinion of the players coincides with what is happening in real development or not.

Quote from k_badam :

I know there are only so many things to talk about on here but just let Scawen do his thing.

I'm sure a Scawen knows what to do, but we don't know what a Scawen does about tire physics. Maybe it will be described in the "Development Progress" topic. but I just can't wait And work on the physics of tires was carried out earlier, but there seems to be no specifics about this, except that now all physics will work at 1000 Hz and tire physics too. It sounds good, but as players, we hardly understand how this will affect the handling of the car.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:40.

❗Time for five stage of Lislon Drift Challenge was changed on 2 hours early❗
Now is Time for event - 16:00 Moscow time (13:00 UTC)

● The last white lines are the border of the track except some curbs. If the track boundaries conflict with the drawn white or clip zone lines, then the drawn lines (white or yellow) take precedence.
● Everywhere after initiation except the deacceleration zone go to full throttle.
● The handbrake and the brake are prohibited (except decel zone) for the whole length of the track for the leader.


● False start - one strike
● Knocked cone at the start/non-compliance with the starting procedure - one strike


● Acceleration on start after green light, bypassing the chikane. Without knocking down the cones.
● Initiation, start of configuration under assessment, before the yellow line should be a significant angle. Initiation can be done with little flick or clutch kick. Handbrake will be mistake for leader (and brake even more).
● Clip zone 1, the closer to the border of the track the better.
● The outside zone 1, you need to fill it from beginning to end, you can go on curb, the closer to the border of the track, the better, you can go on curb.
● Then we move inward and go to the Touch & go. Here you need to show only one front wheel in this zone. Leader cant go on curb, cheaser can go on curb.
● After transition we get to Clip zone 2, you can go on curb, the closer to the border of the track (end of curb) the better.
● Transition with a free trajectory, here you can choose a place and a trajectory for the transition yourself, the main thing is not to lose speed and a handy trajectory for follower.
● Touch & go, Here you need to show only one rear wheel in this zone.
● The outside zone 2, you need to fill it from beginning to end, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● Decel zone, best way for slowing down here is increase the angle, and slow down without throttle. But if you need, you can use the handbrake, and slightly brake.
● The outside zone 3, you need to fill it from beginning to end, you can go on curbs, the closer to the wall, the better.
● Finish line.



In Qualification:

● Drive off the track with 4 wheels.
● Opposite drift - Drifting with the opposite
angle required at that point on course
● Spinning Out
● Loss of drift - Straight wheels.

In Pair runs:

● Drive off the track with 4 wheels.
● Opposite drift - Drifting with the opposite angle
required at that point on course
● Spinning Out
● Loss of drift - Straight wheels
● Collision with the other driver that is considered “avoidable”
or unsportsmanlike
● A chase driver intentionally not chasing the lead driver after
an INCOMPLETE was scored on the previous run.
● Three consecutive restarts from chicane cones
● Performing an Illegal pass - results in an
INCOMPETE for the chase driver
● Getting legally passed - results in an INCOMPLETE
for the lead driver

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:22.

Sometimes I noticed inconsistencies in the behavior of tires in LFS and in reality. idk, maybe it can help the development of the game. It's not that I think Sсawen didnt knows this, but just in case I want to share what I've noticed about tire physics as drifter and why it doesn't always match what I see in reality.

1. Wear. We have always noticed on race circuits that tires pop if we keep the temperature at normal values and wear out one of sides of the tire. But also in drifting, people often noticed that the tire pop from over 200 degrees. In real life drifting, it doesn't work quite like that, in drifting the tires grind down to the cord and lose the grip almost completely, since there almost no rubber and is only metal left. But in LFS there is no cord effect. (pic1)

Most experts consider 195 degrees Fahrenheit as the “line in the sand” when it comes to tire temperature: Beyond that point, the temperature will start impacting tire life. At 250 degrees, a tire will start to lose structural strength, could begin experiencing tread reversion and the tire will begin to lose strength.

But still it doesn't happen instantly like in LFS at a certain temperature, in real It's more about wear. And you can pop only after the cord, and this moment is immediately felt cuz there is almost no grip on cord.

2. Grip/temperature. Many people know that the tire has a "operating range" This is the temperature of the tire where is grip with the surface is greatest. Before OR and after OR there is a decline in the grip. And the grip gradually drops to not very good and not very bad until the wear runs out tire to the cord and here already the grip falls dramatically until tire pop.

In LFS, the temperature before OR is similar to the real one, and after OR disappears quite strongly and with smoke is smoothly lost grip until the moment the tire is pop. And the grip before pop falls so hard that you feel like you're on snow or ice.. (pic 2) It's just how I feel it, I'm not saying that my opinion is the ultimate truth.

And indeed, in real life, temperature and wear are interconnected, the higher the temperature, the faster the wear, in real life, after 200-250 degree, the rubber of the tire melts. But it seems that in LFS the cord grip is sort of simulated by a low grip after the operating range of the tire and this simplification greatly affects the handling of the car after the operating range. If in LFS tire adds a cord grip like the one in the upper graph (on pic 2), this would correct the situation.

3. Tire stiffness, as i get it, usually in a sports tire, a stiffer tire cord is made in the side parts of the tire too, and normal road tires have a harder rubber composition but a weak metal cord. I'm sure this affects on behavior of tires on the track.
But in terms of stiffness, I don’t see much difference in the LFS, and if you lower the tire pressure to 50 psi, then sports and normal tires behave the same. and go down one level.

In addition, in tires are used different cords, there are tires with diagonal and radial cords. The carcass of diagonal tires consists of several layers of cord, located at an angle to the radius of the wheel. Due to this, the textile cords in adjacent layers cross diagonally with each other. This structure is homogeneous over the entire surface, so the crown and sidewalls of the tire have similar mechanical properties.

With a radial tire design, the cord layers are directed across the center line of the wheel, along the radius. The frame shell is additionally covered with a breaker belt. As a result, the top and sidewalls of the tire differ from each other in their characteristics.

Diagonal cord has high sidewall strength and the better softening of hitting transmitted to the car when driving on roads with small potholes, when moving the seams of the road surface. In radial tires, a rigid breaker reduces tread deformation and the contact patch remains virtually unchanged in shape. Therefore, the volume of the groove does not decrease, and the tread lugs do not slip. But as far as I understand, radial cords are mainly used now in almost all road tires and diagonal for semi slicks. (But i dont sure here)

4. And I had another idea, not quite about physics, but about tires. There are different tire brands in LFS. Why do we need them all if they are all the same except for the logo? Let there be different treadwear for different tire brands. This can be accepted for Normal and Sports tires cuz sport tires arleady have 4 different slicks tires with different treadwear but for some reason the rest tires do not have it.

While that's all I could think of, if anyone else has any comments it would be cool if you shared them.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Tue, 27 Dec 2022 09:14.

Quote from michal 1279 :

that's why I think the car market wil not be fully electric by 2030/2035 and if it does...

And we talk about different things even here, because what I was saying is -

Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :

And I'll try to explain why I'm talking about 10 or maybe 15 years. (About the moment when the majority will choose electric cars.)

Moment when the majority will choose electric cars is not the same when market will be fully electric, because majority is not a all people, and because the car market still contains an resale market, which probably will still be filled with ICE cars. And I have never talked about the sum of all the cars on the market at a particular moment. Because even if most people choose an electric cars, this does not cancel all existing ICE cars on market. And these two points do not contradict each other, because in theory it could be that at the moment when the majority chooses electric cars on new market cars, at the same moment, the majority of cars on the all market can be ICE cars. That's why I talked mostly about the car market of new cars, which is vast majority of it likely to be all-electric (and not all because in addition to electric cars, there are also cars that run on hydrogen and other gases, or biofuels.). And then ICE cars with a drop in demand, it may even become cheaper at first, and if it happens there for vast majority will be 2 choices, buy a cheap used ICE car with high taxes, or a new electric one with some sorts of benefits.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Fri, 16 Dec 2022 08:41.

Quote from michal 1279 :

I see problems in things you...

I will say, I disagree with a lot and I agree with a lot, because it is already becoming impossible to write a short and capacious comment that will answer everything, so i feel like respond to all of this is splitting hairs with essay writing.

But in my comments, I did not say that everything that happens is right or morally justified (And I don't understand why you attributed this to me). Like I said before I was just describing what facts and trands is happened. So in many ways we talked about different things.

Quote from michal 1279 :

- Range is not really that much comaparable, esp. with older car and when it's too cold/too hot. EV is a great small city car, but once you need to get across a country, it is a nightmare.
- Accumulators significantly degrade with time and charging cycles, further reducing the range and usefulness. By the time ICE is still perfectly fine, the EV is ready for scrapyard (because buying new EV is more viable than changing the battery in old one).
- Charging rate is not very impressive and the fast charging increases the battery degradation even more.
- EVs on fire are very difficult to be put out, they even tend to reignite hours or even days after.
- The electricity cost in Europe is not very friendly lately, and might get even worse with green agenda shutting down reliable nuclear power plants. This can make EVs very pricey in the future unless you have house with massive solar panels.
- More... (not into writing long essays atm)

But thanks to what you wrote at the end, I understand better what you meant. And I agree with a lot of those things. And what I just can not verify as I do not own electric cars. I, like many others, just trying to learn something about the topic. But maybe in those 10-15 years a lot of this things could improve.

About the batteries. I heard something about long warranty periods, for example Tesla. Doesn't it include free replacing the batteries when they lose efficiency by a certain percentage? Although it is possible that this is simply too expensive for the manufacturer.

About range, I was talking about powerful Tesla top models which may drive about 650km or Mercedes EQS witn 727km range or Zeekr 001 with 732km range. But if we also compare among powerful ICE cars, then as a rule they have high fuel consumption, and often they cannot even drive 500km at one gas station. And yes, I understand that the declared range figures in electric cars greater from the real ones by 10-30%. And cars with ICE and low fuel consumption can drive more than 1000 km. But for 100 years ICE cars have already been improved and optimized many times in all aspects. If we are so fond of analogies, in the 1930-40 cars are also great fuel consumption, so for electric cars this is still beginning. By comparison, Tesla's top model in 2012 had range of 426km. And this number has improved in 10 years.

I agree that the switch to electric cars should be market driven and not forced by lobbies or states, I don't like what's going on but I can't change the facts.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Fri, 16 Dec 2022 08:18.

Quote from michal 1279 :

I'm talking about technological readiness of EVs.
Just because EU and other organisations that are completely out of reality ban ICEs, it won't suddenly make EVs viable option,

Electric vehicles are now technically ready. They are on average faster than ICE cars. They have a 2 or 3 times higher efficiency. Range is now comparable. The only thing is the scalability of production. Thats Why manufacturers are building more factories and increasing supplies.
Where do you see problems here?

Quote from michal 1279 :

they'll just ideologically kill the other means of transport. And leaving EVs as the only option won't suddenly make it viable - it will just be the only option. A painful one to take. And all the subsidies, taxes and bans won't change that.

Yes, that's how it works. If you need a new car and you see that only electric cars are being sold, then you buy an electric car. I didn't think it needed to be explained.

Quote from michal 1279 :

In Apollo era the NASA planned to send human expedition to Mars by 1980s. 40 years later still no footsteps in martian soil. The only difference is in thier case it was a non-binding estimation, not a hard target they'd aim for no matter what the reality is. Guess what, they figured out they need more technological advancement to fulfill that goal and also there are other programs they could/should concentrate on.
Now it is technologically realistic that we can put human on Mars in 2030s; but EVs are still in their "1980s" stage - setting a goal in highly specific timeframe, but only hoping that the technological (and infrastructural) advancement is made within that time instead of being backed up by it already.

All you're doing here is making an analogy. An analogy can be used if you want to explain something to the interlocutor but not when you want to make a argument. I don't want to attack you, but I don't like analogies and I'll explain why. Analogy is not argument by default. So I don't even have to answer it. Because an analogy is a comparison of two things by one or more properties.
I, too, can compare electric cars with Ford's car revolution for example, when in 20 years America turned into a car country. So what it means? That electric cars same like ICE cars? (But at least this analogy was understandable because we are talking about cars here and there.) Or I can compare a finger and ass. These are 2 different things. They both have skin and have blood in it, and sweat cells for example. Does this mean that a finger and an ass are the same things? No. So what analogy means? Nothing. Anything can be explained by analogy simply by comparing one with the other. It has no argument.

There is such a thing as the laws of logic, it's good to know when you're arguing. For example - the law of identity When we talk about electric cars, we talk about flying to Mars, this is a violation of the law of identity cuz when you talk about going to mars, you are talking about going to mars. Not about electric cars. These 2 things are different for a huge number of reasons that I will tire of listing. But all these reasons can be reduced to the fact that going to Mars is not the same as increasing the scalability of the production of electric vehicles. They are just different things. So thats why Analogy is not argument.

The analogy is also bad because it does not get me closer to understanding why you think that electric cars technological readiness not ready or something.

Quote from Gunn :

I don't think EVs have a certain future. Time will tell.

I'm wondering what all this is based on? In my opinion, there are 3 options, either you speaking at the level of emotions, or you do not know the facts or both at once.
Purely emotionally, perhaps I don’t really like this either, as a connoisseur of the aesthetics of ICE cars I want the ICE cars to stay longer. But when it comes to such reasoning, one should not reason on the basis of emotions, one should give rational arguments. I also do not know what will happen in the future, I do not have a crystal ball where I can see it. But at the same time, I can't oppose anything to the current trends.

Quote from NumberTwo :

I'm not sure about the future of EV's, at the moment i dont see how it would be viable to go EV only for any of the countries in lets say next 25 years....

Quote from michal 1279 :

As a mechanical enginner I see EVs truly viable in about 50 years from now.

The same goes for specific numbers about how long it will take. And I'll try to explain why I'm talking about 10 or maybe 15 years. (About the moment when the majority will choose electric cars.) Of course, we do not know the future, and anything can happen. And I'm only talking about the facts and the trends that are happening now.

1. In July 2021, the European Commission published an official green plan that covered renewable energy, infrastructure upgrades and proposed a ban on the sale of new combustion engine-powered cars from 2035.

The US is going to ban internal combustion engines In the US, as well as in Europe, they plan to abandon cars with internal combustion engines. From 2035, only new cars powered by electricity or hydrogen will be allowed to be sold in California.

The authorities of the Chinese province of Hainan intend in 8 years - by 2030 - to completely ban the sale of cars with traditional gasoline or diesel engines. According to the Xinhua News Agency, by 2025 all public transport, as well as trucks and buses, will be switched to electricity.

Now imagine yourself in the shoes of the manufacturers of ICE cars . You can't keep deliveries of ICE cars at the same level until 2035 (or 2030) and abruptly stop produce and selling? What to do with leased space for factories? with employees? With equipment? And conveyorized automated factories? This means that all manufacturers in Europe, USA, China and others Western countries will smoothly switch to making electric cars by 2035. And customers at some point will simply have no choice.

Yes, perhaps some countries in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa will still use cars with internal combustion engines. But even they will not be able to resist trends for long. And in some specific countries it may even take 25-50 years. But In Norway, most cars (about 80%) are already electric.

2. In addition to laws, there is now a market trend for electric cars, everyone knows about tesla. But do you know about Geely? Wuling? BYD? BAIC? Nio? JAC? Byton? And others. Some of these vehicles are superior to the Tesla in price and range.
The emergence of new manufacturers increases market competition, the increase in the model range of individual manufacturers occupies new market niches, the increase in production volumes and automation factories reduces production costs, and all this reduces the price.
And this is the key point. as long as the price of electric cars continues to fall, this will increase the demand for electric cars. And you can see it in the pictures with the statistics where you can see that in China the Wuling and BYD models are already buying more than Tesla.

3. The green lobby and the global warming lobby, I think all of you understand that this also plays an important role here. Now there is obviously a trend towards the transition to renewable energy sources. And this lobby not only promotes, but also influences states to give subsidies to electric car manufacturers and raise taxes on ICE cars. Also, often customers in different countries are given different discounts, benefits and bonuses for buying electric cars.

4 Infrastructure, let's talk about Russia now as an example. Russia is a conservative country that politically opposes the West. And he tries to resist many political decisions of the West. It would seem that lobbying for electric vehicles is also largely a political decision of the West. But even Russia does not go against it. Russia is not as wealthy per capita as many countries in the West, but Russia is still building a lot of gas stations to fill up cars, even though we have banned the supply of Western automakers. And we do not yet have our own electric car manufacturers, while we are hoping for supplies from China at a time when in China itself there is now a strong demand for electric cars that manufacturers cannot provide. But even Russia continues to build charging stations for electric cars. Whereas already now in the USA and many Western countries there are apparently no big problems with charging stations.


This is my opinion why it won't take as long as you say. This opinion is based on facts that are already is the objective reality given to us in sensation. And purely on an emotional level, I want the ICE cars to stay longer, but even if I don't like my opinion, I can't change the facts. Emotionally I can only hope that facts will change. But rationally, I understand that perhaps this is not necessary.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Wed, 14 Dec 2022 10:17.

❗18 december take hold five Stage of Lislon Drift Challenge on LSN Drift Ground server.

⚠ Need registration for participation - https://www.lfs.net/leagues/589/season/715/round/6/signup
Server - LSN DRIFT GROUND
Password on server - lsndrfch5
Auto - XRTI, N.S8, ANTJ, BZRS, BZGC, JDMJ, DRSC, XFRD, TDHD, DORI, DORF, BR5G, DKCH, XRGT, XRGV, HSOD, STRX, REG4, XRKT, FX_D, RB4K, TDY2, NEXJ
Tires - normal / cold
Org - RDC Alexey
Date - 18.12.22
Time - 16:00 Moscow time (13:00 UTC)
Registration - https://www.lfs.net/leagues/589/season/715/round/6/signup
Regulations - https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/98535-Lislon-Drift-Challenge---Regulations
Server Rules - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dyVm0u_RybF8UekFwcS8xpHeTSaYseBNxvmfFF6Xkxw/edit

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sat, 17 Dec 2022 09:26.

Regardless of my opinion, I think the market should show everything. And its has already shown quite well, for 10 years Tesla has proved that electric cars are the future, no matter how I feel about it. I think in 10 years, ICE cars will be rare and expensive objects for connoisseurs, and I'm not sure that they can be used on public roads,(if yes, then with big taxes) this is what everything is going to now.

I see screenshots of the track editor for the first time, user interface is looks to be a as thoughtful for the user as the lfs editor. Cant wait for this

Quote from Flotch :

physics my dear !

Quote from loopingz :

Multithreading became a necessity to switch to 1000Hz

Maybe I'm wrong, but I got the feeling that physics with 1000Hz was ready, and multithreading was the last thing that needed to be done. Because Scawen said that he needed to optimize the code so that physics would work well on 1000Hz and that's what multithreading was needed for. it just wasn't optimized, now it seems to have been optimized. That's why I'm asking what's next. I thought that maybe I need to finish something in the graphics that i missed.
Or is tire physics a separate topic in which devs need to work?

It would be great if a similar style of reports would be not only for Multithreading topic. Later it could be combined into reports in the style as it was done before. But i guess no.
Btw, Multithreading was one of the last things left to do? Is there still something left to finish the update for a testing stage?

Quote from Flame CZE :

Valtteri Bottas aka Vale (F1)
Scott Andrews aka DuCK (IMSA)
Norbi Kiss aka Norbi (FIA European Truck Racing)
Teemu Suninen aka marakattimax (WRC)
Christian Krognes aka Chriskart (VLN/Nürburgring 24h)
Rudy van Buren, World's Fastest Gamer (Porsche Carrera Cup Germany)
Philip Ellis aka painster (various GT3 championships)
Christer Jöns (various GT3 championships)
Michael van der Mark aka michaelvdm (World Superbikes)
Nick Catsburg aka NickC

Sources:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/95176
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/99297

Wow, thats interesting, i know about Valtteri Bottas, but other ones is new for me.

Since I am in the community of drifters in the LFS, I know many who have moved into real drift or come in LFS from real Drift. But I am also interested in players from other disciplines who participated in real competitions. If you know of any, please post it in this thread. It doesn't need to be big competitions, maybe on the local level, or even just some practics on amauter level.

Drift:

Name on eng (original name)
Nickname (titles)
links

Alex Golovnya (Алексей Головня)
4epa (Vice-Champion of the Vinnytsia drift Series VFDD 2011 Champion of the Vinnytsia Drift VFDD series 2012. 3rd place in the UDC Drift Championship of Ukraine 2012. 4th place in the EEDC Eastern European Championship 2012. 1st place in the Drift Championship of Ukraine 2013.3rd place in the EEDC Eastern European Championship 2013. 1st place in the Drift Championship of Ukraine 2015. 2nd place in the Russian Drift Championship 2016 Champion of the Russian Drift Championship 2020)
https://www.instagram.com/alexgolovnya/
https://vk.com/alexgolovnya
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHOm1GyEErkO7_W2e8xIXOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJdkLpOP2UI
And there are a lot more videos on YouTube

Damir Idiyatulin (Дамир Идиятулин)
Damiracer (https://drift.center/idiyatulin/. 3rd place in Russian Drift Championship 2022. 3rd place in Russian Drift Championship 2020, Winner of RDS Moscow cup 2020.)
https://www.instagram.com/damiracer/?hl=en
https://vk.com/damiracer
https://vdrifte.ru/pilots/167/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxjTUnwlfe4
And there are a lot more videos on YouTube

Ekaterina Sedykh (Екатерина Седых)
ekaterina.drift (Vice Champion of Russian Drift Series East 2017, 2018. Champion Drift Street Legal 2019)
https://www.instagram.com/katedrift/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsXP0EVS8v8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM3VzvxQ1fY
https://goo.gl/p2TYSY
https://vk.cc/6Ey4kg
https://vk.cc/6Ey4fX
And there are a lot more videos on YouTube

Aleksandr Grinchuk (Александр Гринчук)
GRINYA (Red Bull athlet for many years. Champion of turkicsh championship)
https://vk.com/grinchukdrift
https://facebook.com/grinchukdrift/
https://www.instagram.com/grinchukdrift/
https://goo.gl/G1NLyU (one of the org in LFS events)
And there are a lot more videos on YouTube

Ivan Bobrovsky (Иван Бавровский)
Godzilla (top 8 on 3rd round of RDS 2016)
https://vk.com/becausegodzilla
https://goo.gl/aPGibd
https://goo.gl/6iUhqZ
https://goo.gl/12Uhvy
And there are a lot more videos on YouTube

Maxim Miller (Максим Миллер)
Miller (Participant of Dmec 2021 and 2022. Creator and President of the Drift Federation of Ukraine.
Organizer of sports car competitions and events in Ukraine and Europe.
An international judge with Japanese accreditation DRIFT. Judged VS, DC, UDC, RDS GP, DRIFTING.HU, DRIFT ALLSTARS and others.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyoybbpTUVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN8KXJ6JplI
https://www.youtube.com/c/whoismiller
https://www.instagram.com/whoismiller
http://whoismiller.com/
https://vk.cc/6Ey42t
https://vk.cc/6Ey47R (one of the org in LFS events)
And there are a lot more videos on YouTube

Taylor Ray
tayloray
https://www.instagram.com/taylordrifts/
https://www.youtube.com/c/TaylorRayDrifts/videos
https://goo.gl/MUJWTL
https://goo.gl/xNuw5G
https://goo.gl/K5uxnv
And there are a lot more videos on YouTube

Pawel Trela
https://goo.gl/iMNRts
https://goo.gl/BhdhQR
https://goo.gl/E9EO45
https://goo.gl/IxznD8
And there are a lot more videos on YouTube

Alexey Katoliychuk (Алексей Католийчук)
-LSD-
https://goo.gl/TiLRYq

SKVGR team
https://vk.com/albums-100742272

Nick Makarov (Ник Макаров)
SKVGR n1x
https://goo.gl/Pf9q5m
https://vk.cc/6cgpWJ
https://vk.cc/66Ulv6
https://vk.cc/66UlCK
https://vk.cc/66UlLU
https://vk.cc/66UlWR
https://vk.cc/66Um1Z
https://goo.gl/KdolPl

Nikita Isaev (Никита Исаев)
SKVGR*DD
https://goo.gl/2wkkxc
https://goo.gl/lHjfMX
https://goo.gl/WjIu5R
https://goo.gl/p7abaf
https://vk.cc/6gzoZN
https://vk.cc/6gzpeh

Nick Makarov and Nikita Isaev (Ник Макаров и Никита Исаев)
SKVGR n1x - SKVGR DD
https://vk.cc/6gzoHV
https://vk.cc/6gzoMp
https://vk.cc/6gzoRd
https://goo.gl/RDxvLY
https://goo.gl/LXpe6O
https://goo.gl/p8IVKz

Konstantin Ivanov (Константин Иванов)
SKVGR.Ikostya
https://vk.cc/6B41kC
https://vk.cc/6B41gg (s14)

Denis Morozov (Денис Морозов)
SKVGR.xNASTYx
https://vk.cc/6B41oG

Javier Dopazo
SKVGR.Mad Dope
https://goo.gl/ZqyDcw

Tot Igor (Тот Игорь)
Maxxis Divan
https://vk.cc/6VNDjY
https://vk.cc/6VND9c
https://vk.cc/6VND6i
https://vk.cc/6VND2b
https://vk.cc/6VNCYJ
https://goo.gl/SqbVgT
https://vk.cc/6VNDv7

Artur Toyotik (Артур Тойотик)
Toyotik
https://goo.gl/KKPbuI

Kirill belyaikin (Кирилл Беляйкин)
GTRzavr
https://goo.gl/jmYoS8
https://goo.gl/JDe94L
https://goo.gl/NH8l1N
https://goo.gl/Y3zUSs
https://goo.gl/EP7W3n

Evgeny Rybinsky (Евгений Рыбинский)
Yjin
https://goo.gl/4TS8pV
https://goo.gl/ykTg68

Alexandr Savelev (Александр Савельев)
Fatalskid
https://vk.cc/60TaP8
https://goo.gl/t24QKe

Anton Zaharov (Антон Захаров)
[VDT] Raptor
https://vk.cc/60Ta8E
https://vk.cc/60Tagp
https://vk.cc/60Tank
https://vk.cc/60TatU
https://vk.cc/60TaBj

Artyem Shabanov (Артём Шабанов)
shabanovartem77 (2 - time champion of ZheZhe Ice Matsuri, 1st place at #MoscowWinterDriftSession)
https://vk.cc/7kY0Ty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdY9aG458YQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcZ8_0oAho

Danil Machkarin (Данил Мачкарин)
Failcew Love (winner of the open winter drift championship of the Urals 2019)
https://vk.cc/6gzo6U
https://vk.cc/6gzojL
https://vk.cc/6gzouN
https://vk.com/wall-21931081_64820
https://vk.com/wall-21931081_57428

Evgeny Pakhomov (Евгений Пахомов)
R.D.C Pahom24rus (Top 16 of Water Pump Cup)
https://vk.cc/6gzq3V
https://youtu.be/e-23n-dKwbY?t=19511

Artyem Nekorkin (Артем Некоркин)
R.D.C Drift52 (1st place on OPEN SUMMER FEST 2018)
https://vk.com/lislon?w=wall-21931081_60531
https://goo.gl/amNvO7
https://vk.cc/6gzr3c
https://goo.gl/Xu3CCJ

Sega Lapshin
seroff
https://vk.cc/6QGM7o

Kirill Loginov
k1ruxa
https://goo.gl/ODZ0ia

Igor Cherny (Игорь Черный)
IgorCherny
https://goo.gl/GMls79

Anton Petrov (Антон Петров)
A.Petrov
https://goo.gl/o68YZV

Alexander Medvedev (Саша Медведев)
ZONDAX
https://vk.cc/6Qr50D
https://vk.cc/6QrzY0
https://vk.com/wall-21931081_57428

Nikita Maximov (Никита Максимов)
STaRK
https://vk.cc/6QruBe
https://vk.cc/6QrBbY
https://vk.com/wall-21931081_57428


----- Amatuers-----

Mikhail Molodkin (Михаил Молодкин)
VENOMDASTER
https://goo.gl/ynLSkw
https://vk.cc/6QrCJg

Danil Kubasov (Данил Кубасов)
DOCrip
https://goo.gl/AbNLru
https://goo.gl/122Y8P

Mark Shinkarev (Марк Шинкарев)
mark174
https://vk.cc/6QucB9

Anatoly Orlov (Анатолий Орлов)
KOT200sx
https://goo.gl/9BsG47
https://goo.gl/ce7zK6
https://goo.gl/6u6gz1

Andrey Kadyshev (Андрей Кадышев)
D.project Iandex
https://vk.cc/6QtIxB

Dmitry Gusarov (Дмитрий Гусаров)
ччД
https://vk.cc/77MABg

Alexey Soldatov (Алексей Солдатов)
Lacki
https://goo.gl/FGHWYr
https://vk.cc/66UoJ8

Egor Egorov (Егор Егоров)
Maxxis"Fazer
https://vk.cc/6QtJIY
https://vk.cc/6B46Vr

Vladimir Badagov (Владимир Бадагов)
Suba
https://goo.gl/KVpA92

Vadim Kiselyov (Вадим Киселёв)
R.D.C Chansonje
https://vk.cc/6B470V

Kirill Solomatin (Кирилл Саломатин)
R.D.C Axwell
https://vk.cc/6ERGXY

Alexander Andreev (Александр Андреев)
NARA☆Nakamura
https://goo.gl/hnWrCz

Vladislav Puito (Владислав Пуито)
NARA☆S1gal
https://goo.gl/8x5ucQ
https://goo.gl/TJl9qR

Alexander Shavyrin (Александр Шавырин)
13N.Silvia
https://vk.cc/6SVEQw

Ruslan Murtuzaliev (Руслан Муртузалиев)
NARA☆nb|x
https://vk.cc/60T8SU
https://vk.cc/60T8Ib

Nikita Veretelnik (Никита Веретельник)
Ник
https://vk.cc/6Sr8FN

Semyon Vasiliev (Семён Васильев)
CAPS™ Steve
https://vk.cc/6QAv33

Vladislav Batalov (Владислав Баталов)
Batalov
https://goo.gl/b7xDZu

Ivan Pavlov (Иван Павлов)
29 Павлов
https://vk.cc/6gzqlW

Vitaly Polyakov (Виталий Поляков)
VITALYA
https://goo.gl/eTQHPM

Evgeny Kapustin (Евгений Капустин)
アムビにしす
https://goo.gl/seHpL4


I probably forgot to mention many people I know and it's been a long time since this list was compiled, so the merits of many pilots may be incomplete too, sorry for that. I just can't know everything. Since the half Internet is blocked in Russia, I can't enter on Instagram or Facebook. So I lost a lot of links..
These are the only ones I know from drifting who played LFS. Please write who do you know from the disciplines of motorsport who played LFS.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Wed, 9 Nov 2022 09:48.

In order to have argumentative discussions, I decided to make a series of threads on philosophical issues. The first question is whether it is possible to kill criminals, for example, as a state execution, for serious crimes (for example, murder). It is not so much your position on this issue that is important, as the reasoning behind which you adhere to this position. If there is some feedback on this thread, then I will probably open other threads on other philosophical issues.

To simplify the dialogue, you can give examples from popular culture or literature, Rodion Raskolnikov from the Crime and Punishment of Dostoevsky. The Punisher from the movies\show. Kira from the Death Note. (Kira found a notebook that gave the power to kill anyone who would be write in it. And Kira decided to kill all criminals, I will describe some questions on this example)

I will express some theses with which I met, my accompanying questions. And I will describe my position at the end.

"moral views.. killing is bad"
- Morality varies from country to country, from culture to culture, from one time to another time. human has been killing human throughout history. Then what is morality in general? What are you appealing to? Why exactly is "morality" a factor in this question? Well, a human will kill a human.. and? What's next? Will he go to hell, or what? And there is a clear contradiction with the fact that throughout history a person constantly kills a person and this is morally justified as something right.. for example, in wars or executions, this is morally justified.
That is, public morality says killing a person is bad, and at the same time killing a person is good.. It's like a contradiction..
And in general, what is morality for you? Is it float somewhere in the air? Can you point your finger at it? No? Well, according to the scientific method, what cannot be viewed materially this does not exist. There is no morality, it is a social construct that has been imposed on everyone. Helpful rhetoric? Perhaps..An individual can adhere to any ethical position, for example - "human life has no value like other animals, the one who killed - won, who was killed - lost" And death is much more objective than some thought up morality. And that's what's really important.

"Human life is priceless. There is a commandment "thou shalt not kill" You are not God to take a person's life"
- What kind of god are we talking about? There are just a lot of stories in the Bible with justifications for murders.. The plot of Abraham and Isaac, the hardening of Pharaoh's heart and the murder of the Bethlehem babies, Moses' speech to the judges of Israel, Deuteronomy and so on, so on. There is too much to list. As in Judaism, Islam, and many other religions. So what? What does God have to do with it? Why is this relevant? How can a Christian god be a repeater of absolute public morality when he himself justified the murder and rape of women and children? "Human life is priceless" - Why? What about the life of a man who killed and raped children, it priceless too?
Lets assume there is no God. What's next? So in your opinion, if there is no god, then it is possible to take a person's life? Why not? The law? The law changes from time to time. When it's legal to kill others, when it's not. If you are in power and you have separated yourself on some basis from others, then you can kill others. Even quite recently in the 20th century, it was in Soviet times with the kulaks, the clergy, the party nomenclature. In Nazi Germany with Jews. It was all legal. If you appeal to the law, then you appeal to this laws too. And today, similar things are still happening, albeit on a smaller scale. For example, with oppositionists in authoritarian states.

"Kira can start killing less and less guilty ones"
- And if not? Then you'll be on Kira's side? Think of it then as an execution from the state. There is a chance to execute an innocent person, and the more authoritarian the state becomes, the more likely it is that the innocent will be executed. Again, think of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union during Stalin's time. But these states had such moral strength to do it. After all, according to supporters of natural human rights, morality spreads through the state and its law. It turns out that if they are consistent in this, they believe that the USSR and the Nazis did nothing wrong.
I believe that morality and the law as a consequence of morality in the state are just a social construct that can be convenient at one time, but disastrous at another. Then why is Kira worse?

And here's my simple argument, let's imagine a simple thought experiment:
Consider the example of murders.
We have 2 worlds.
Our world: where innocent people are killed every day. (according to the statistics of murders ~437,000 per year \ ~1200 per day) Where there is a place for wars, genocides, repression of the innocent and other similar things..
And Kira's world: A world in which the level of murders and other serious crimes is maximally reduced due to the fact that almost all criminals are killed by an invisible force, and the rest are afraid to commit any crime, and there are very few murders and other crimes in this world. So much so that even if we count the murder of all criminals by Kira + the murders from the remaining crimes, the number will be thousands of times less than in the first world.
The question is, which world will you choose? And why?

I prefer a world with fewer murders, if only purely out of rational selfishness. Because I want there to be as little chance as possible that I would be killed. A person first of all values his life. Since he can only be aware of himself, because he looks from himself in the first person. He cannot think for everyone, the life (subjective experience) of other people is unprovable. Morality exists as combinations of opinions a particular society on a particular issue. But there are no moral facts. We cannot know the truth or falsity of moral arguments.
For me, the one who chooses a world with a lot of murders is clearly wrong. For this reason, I support the execution of the state. But on condition that it is a state that values human life and human freedoms. And no matter what it changes, it would be good if there were a law on the free carrying of weapons.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Tue, 8 Nov 2022 05:21.

Quote from LUNDQUIST MOTORSPORT :

a few years laet here tho but would it be impssible to make other surfaces for concreat slabs? so we atleast can make decent looking irl tracks

Yes, but Scawen has been talking more often in the last year about the possibility of making a Track Editor, and if they do it like a mod system it will be great. We do not know plans of developers for the next updates after the release of graphics on all tracks, nights and physics. It is likely that after these updates, developers can take up a new Track Editor system, since this is the most anticipated feature by most of players according to the poll.

Quote from superlame :

I have really missed all of the things you wrote ( if they really happend ) Where was it mentioned there will be.. track editor.. and plans of splitting the update?

No, I didn't say that they would add a trackeditor. (it would be awesome if they do that, but i dont say that)

Trackeditor is just an option in the voting in the thread, thats it, (Sсawen once talked about it, but i dont say that in my comment, so they have it in their plans, but probably not for the next updates)

I was asked why I didn't include update official tracks options in the voting. And I was responding to that.

Quote from superlame :

and plans of splitting the update

Maybe here I remember incorrectly, but there is a possibility that the Scawen mentioned that physics will be released first, and then graphics, or night, or new tracks with a separate update. Maybe I'm wrong. Or they changed plans. Anyway, it seems like it was a year or two ago. Lately I have found only this, (in Graphics Progress Report: South City - part 3) see the picture.

Quote from johneysvk :

More and/or updated official tracks and environments would be better imo, but that was not an option in the poll

Somereason forgot answer on that

All tracks will be updated in the upcoming update with new graphics and physics. (if the plan for splitting updates has not remained the same) And there will be new tracks in the new update. In addition, the trackeditor option replaces all new requests for adding new tracks. Because in trackeditor players can make any tracks themselves.

What is going on here? its ddos or what?

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Please try to study European history to understand whats happening today.

who are you talking to?

Quote from swaggerguy :

no beef so no

If there's something to say, it's never too late to start

I am in favor of arguing with argument and grounding.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:29.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

YES !!!

What you say here is correct, the same as what I have said many times. ( And I'm an insane conspiracy theorist who is hated by most people here, welcome to my world...)

I haven't seen a single one conspiracy theory from you yet. I understand everything you write about. And George Carlin is classic but the only thing I would advise when explaining your thoughts is not to communicate using links. 90% of people do not open them. And probably they doesn't understand your point cuz of that. It is better to summarize the meaning of these links in the text. And if there is a dispute about the facts started, then it is necessary to give links. And then they will be read.

In my opinion Left-liberal propaganda plays a big role here. And about "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave" It is easier for such people to take left-wing positions. When I watch western YouTube. I see how these ordinary people, reasoning their positions. (well, maybe a little smarter since they were able to create a channel, set up the camera and upload the video to YouTube) They don't understand much about history, geopolitics, logic. But they are already trying to talk about who is right and who is to blame. they also often talk about the oppression of minorities in their countries, about cultural appropriation, about the canceling of those or others for the words they spoke. (and it doesn't matter if it's a joke or irony) They do not understand anything, bow down to people of another race, kiss their feet, arrange pogroms in cities, want to make communism.. (yes, I understand, this is an extreme example, but there are such) And I don't see a dispute with these people in the left wing. It feels like everyone agrees.. And it's scary. If something like this starts, it could be the beginning of the end. Russia was destroyed by leftist ideas. And the Russian Federation still cannot wash away the consequences of this tragedy.

And I'm not saying that I'm an expert in history, geopolitics and philosophy, but I have at least some knowledge, and I'm ready to accept the inconsistency of my opinion if there are stronger arguments against my position.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Global Politic's is very complicated with layer over layer parts of the game.

I have the advantage of studying this since the 1980's, this is simply the latest stage of the game.

In your case, yes. But this is not a universal rule. I'm only 30 years old. And I'm just trying to figure in the way the world works order without falling under anyone's propaganda. I don't know if I'm doing it, but I'm just trying. Now there are even more opportunities to study this with the help of the Internet. And it's even more likely that you'll end up on the wrong sites with wrong ideas. Where will you be in a world of shit with takes from multiculturalism and gender studies, Marx's Das Kapital, meinkampf, or the fourth political theory. Twitter people who are not able to accept large volumes of text, find it difficult to abandon the simple ideas that are embedded there in order to indoctrinate them with propaganda. Someone will probably read the originals, and a few will be able to figure out and understand that in practice this leads into shit.

Unfortunately the era of journalism is over. In my opinion, this the indicator of global authorization of power. Similar reasons force Western leaders to act as they act by spreading globalism through provoking wars in disputed territories of those who oppose this glabolism.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

And this is currently the US position...

Yes, it's funny that is a crazy grandpa there too. But the US has a system of checks and balances, high bureaucracy, and bipartisanship. All this helps a crazy leader not to start making idiotic decisions. He can do some things. But he does not have full power like Putin.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Wed, 19 Oct 2022 11:47.