Quote from detail :

Roughly speaking, I meant the opposite: these aren't beyond the corner.

Yes, you're right, I meant that you discussed these possibilities. And so the analogies were also used.

Although I do not really like historical analogies. Just like any other analogy. An analogy can be used if you want to explain something to the interlocutor but not when you want to make a argument. For example, why do you think so and not otherwise can be supplemented with an analogy for better understanding. But analogy is not argument by default. Because an analogy just is a comparison of two things by one or more properties. And this cannot be argument because it is a violation of the rule of identity. For example - there is a red apple, and red strawberries. These are two different things that have the same property of being red. But that does not mean that an apple is a strawberry. And so you can compare any thing like that, but it essentially does not mean anything.

We can discuss cause and effect, why some events occurred, what were the prerequisites for this, and how it led to the current situation. We can look at the global picture of the confrontation between the parties. We can even discuss what might happen in the future. In my opinion, this all makes more sense than analogies.

Quote from detail :

Civil war started after a very exhaustive war, revolution and corruption in military/police.

If you mean after-effect, then Post hoc ergo propter hoc. I don't quite agree that WWI was the reason for the Civil War, Yes, it had an influence, but not a priority. And maybe even the opposite of WWI delayed the revolution. Although it's debatable. Imao the Civil War was a consequence of the Revolution. You can probably say that the revolution happened as a result of the war, but the October Revolution was primarily a consequence of the February Revolution. And the socialists tried to overthrow the government at the beginning of the twentieth century. They were among those who fomented the revolution of 1905-1907. They staged terrorist attacks and tried in every way to seize power. And then in 1917 the socialists made their move on base of strong protest sentiments in the aftermath of the February Revolution in moment the war came to a standstill. Because some of them probably feared that starting a revolution in wartime was not a good idea. But people like Lenin who said that they would turn an imperialist war into a civil war, meaning a war against the political bourgeois elites. But in the end they made a real civil war against their own people. And Russia suffered big losses in the war and was forced to accept peace with the captured independence of states.

I'm not interested in answeering to someone with a rhetoric level of 9yo child who can't even read.

Quote from detail :

I don't think it's a threat currently. For Russian Empire...

Coup, Civil War, collapse of the country.. in my opinion, you share the skin of an unkilled bear too early. We are talking about the future in the current situation from which there are no prerequisites for any of the listed options. Which in my opinion is even more.
For example, Putin can stay in power for another 20 years, for example, and transfer power to a successor who will adhere to the same course of authoritarianism, the loyalty of the political elite bought for huge corruption, the lack of freedoms and democracy and the system of brainwashing people that will only improve.

Or even if Putin were to step down from power for unstated reasons, such as the snuffbox scenario. Then power can still be seized by Mishustin or Shaigu, or any of the politicians who are now close to Putin. And in this case, most likely, the policy will remain about the same, or there will be a slight liberalization and democratization. But I'm not sure about that either.

I hardly believe in the scenario of a coup and the coming to power of a conditional Navalny. And if this happens I do not think it will be good. Too many people are zombified by today's propaganda, it will take a long time to get this noodle out of their ears. And that is why there is a risk of civil war and splitting the country. The question of the Caucasus goes there as well. Imao the only possible way for an effective transition to democracy and liberalization of the country is now through a very slow stage-by-stage transition, perhaps even through several presidents.

In any case, none of us has a crystal ball to look there and know what will happen in the future, too many factors are hidden behind the walls of the Kremlin that we do not know about.

But it all depends on the outcome of this war. The longer the conflict drags on, the worse it is for Putin's rating. When there are no set goals and objectives of the war, it is not clear what the victory in the war is. But it is definitely not the capture of four regions of Ukraine, otherwise there is a question even in the minds of zombified propaganda people, for what it was? For what purpose it was necessary to kill tens or hundreds of thousands of Russian people.. That it would have existed like Donbass during these 8 years? To get four subsidized regions that now need to be restored at their own expense? Whats the point? Although perhaps the propaganda will find excuses even for this.

Quote from dfgjkl :

The **** did you bring them? here you are sleeping pro-western progagandon

Said the one who repeats the pro-Russian propaganda.

Quote from dfgjkl :

Can't we do sarcasm?

Sarcasm? What's the point? So you meant to say I'm a nice guy who cares about others? Yeah, ofcourse, that sounds like you... (That's sarcasm, and it's clear what I'm getting at.)

Every time when they have nothing to say, they talk nonsense, and when they realize they shit themselves, they hide behind sarcasm.. So lame.

While my interlocutors still do not want to answer me, I found an interesting thing. This is one of those rare cases where a person in Russia tries to remain a journalist to the end.
Vladimir Posner, a man who grew up in the West. (In France and the United States) And moved to the USSR when he was a teenager. And in this sense he has a profound understanding of both cultures

At a time when everyone is discussing specific events, news, fakes, about whom to blame, about who is a villain and who is a hero, about labeling... I like him for trying to remain objective and trying to understand on the big picture and the reasons of what happened.
And after a year of silence he finally gave his comment on the situation.

If you've read past posts in this thread and others, you may notice some overlap between our positions.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Thu 9 Mar 2023, 11:39.

Quote from dfgjkl :

Have you already been "shot by hanging" and you came here to tell how you suffer?

Wtf is you talking about? In the quoted fragment I am not mentioned at all, as in my other comments.. Don't you have nothing to answer to me that you just decided to talk nonsense that unrelated to reality? I understand that you are brainwashed, but is it that much? You couldn’t even reproduce russian propaganda takes? Come on, you can do it, I believe in you.

Quote from MousemanLV :

Russia was the one who started this war

Here we go again. I can see by the emotional coloring and insults in your comment that you're agitated. But can you answer questions calmly and rationally? It feels like you haven't even tried to read the thread.

What is Russia as you understand it? If one person is Russia, then for example you are Latvia, right?

Quote from MousemanLV :

They have always had the chance to stop it

Who is "they"? And how exactly to stop it?

Quote from MousemanLV :

Russian ''troops'' (more like people whove been let out of prison) were tricked into believing they are doing military training.

If you are referring to the Wagner's PMC, then technically it is not part of the Russian army.
This is an army of Eugene Prihozhin personally. He personally traveled through prisons and recruited people for the war. And I am not aware of the situation in which they were tricked.

Quote from MousemanLV :

It's ridiculous to even discuss this

Well...i mean..you're discussing it.

Quote from MousemanLV :

Russia has destroyed most of the infrastructure. Not to mention the amount of horrific things done to innocent civilians. Disgusting.

It true that is horrific things done to innocent civilians, but most of the infrastructure in Ukraine has been destroyed? Where do you find your sources of information?
There are 27 regions and 24 oblasts in Ukraine. And for this year Putin does not even manage to capture four of them, which he has already claimed as his own. (Pictrure for you from November 25, but nothing much has changed there) Yes, there are many small towns that where the infrastructure has been severely damaged, some of the larger cities have suffered. but even in the captured regions, such as Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts, most people still live there, and most of the infrastructure is intact. Although there have been attacks from the Ukrainian side since 2014.
Yes, Mariupol suffered the most. But that's because the Russian army shelled AFU positions that were hiding mostly in civilian infrastructure. But this happens in any modern war that takes place in a city, the for example Russian army also used civilian houses when the Ukrainians attacked Kherson captured by Russian army, unfortunately this cannot be avoided. Post-Soviet panel buildings are made of thick concrete and are well suited to protect infantry. There are evacuations every time before the attacks, but many people just don't want to leave their homes.
Yes, the military infrastructure in the unoccupied regions which was attacked in most cases. Same as was the power plant infrastructure was bombed, to complicate the work of the Ukrainian military. And sometimes missiles flew into cities in non-captured regions. Sometimes because of Ukraine's air defense, sometimes because of individual soldiers who were holding meetings in the city. Sometimes they probably just missed. But these are isolated cases.
To say that "most of the infrastructure in Ukraine has been destroyed" is simply incorrect from a factual point of view.

Quote from MousemanLV :

But that would be hard to grasp for the common Russki just because they have been fed the information that ''Ukraine started the war''. Bunch of retards.

It's not because someone is retarded. Propaganda works the same way all over the world. If you tell your people (no matter what kind) for 10 years that 2+2=5, they will believe it.

The Rwandan genocide was artificially provoked by propaganda, people just pulled out knives and started cutting essentially the same people just because they were told so on the radio. North Koreans believe Kim Jong-un is a god who rules the world because of propaganda. Some Russians believe that most Ukrainians are Bandera supporters who sympathize with the Nazis and they in power of Ukraine too. And that's why denazification is needed. Some Americans believe that if you consider yourself a transgender deer at age 10, it's okay. And you need a surgical sex change because of that. Propaganda is everywhere. It's just propaganda in some major media it's more fierce, and in others it's less so.

Quote from MousemanLV :

Even the media in Russia that had decent amount of self respect just stepped back from broadcasting anything, because media in Russia is forced instead of actually having informational resources that are fact checked.

True, if you now want to tell the truth in front of some kind of audience in Russia, at best you will be fired and fined administratively. And in the worst case, criminal penalties for dozens of years or simply get killed, as has already been done to many people. And all independent media outlets have already been labeled as foreign agents, (i.e. enemies of the people in the terminology of the USSR) which makes their work in Russia impossible. This is why the Russians are now especially zombified by the double dose of propaganda, compared to the already quite strong propaganda in peacetime.

It would be convenient to see the keys shortcuts in some kind of list or in a pop-up tab at the bottom of the center. Watching them on the forum is not very handy.

And that would be cool to unify shortcuts even more to the blender as much as possible, and it's not because I've working in blender for 15 years, but because most of the modmakers who model mash themselves do it in the blender.

Funny and in many ways correct video.

Looks good, keep it up👍 It nice to see more and more people using imagemodeler and blender to make mods from scratch.

General rules on the track.

● The last white lines are the border of the track except some curbs. If the track boundaries conflict with the drawn white or clip zone lines, then the drawn lines (white or yellow) take precedence.
● Everywhere after initiation except the deacceleration zone go to full throttle.
● The handbrake and the brake are prohibited (except decel zone) for the whole length of the track for the leader.
● Yellow cones for indicating of clip zones, so that it can be seen better.


● False start - one strike
● Knocked cone at the start/non-compliance with the starting procedure - one strike

Recomendations

Our championship is designed to bring some challange to drift competitions. This also applies to track configurations.

Don't risk the edge of the track in the first run of qualifying. Otherwise there is a risk of getting two zeros and leaving the competition.
Only one successful run can already give the way to the doubles heats.

Judge Task

● Acceleration on start after green light, bypassing the chikane. Without knocking down the cones.
● Leader cant cross white restriction line.
● Initiation on the yellow line, before this line there should be a significant angle. Initiate with a clutch or flip. Handbrake here will be mistake for leader.
● The outside zone 1, you need to fill it from beginning to end, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● NoGo Zone, leader must not cross this line, penatilization is the same as out of border of the track. Chaser can go in NoGo Zone if he needed to.
● The clip zone 1, you need to fill it, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● The outside zone 2, you need to fill it from beginning to end, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● The clip zone 2, you need to fill it, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● The outside zone 3, you need to fill it from beginning to end, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● Decel zone, here you can increase the angle, and slow down without throttle, you can also use the handbrake.
● The clip zone 3, you need to fill it, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● Finish line.

Estimated by 0. (Critical mistake)

In Qualification:

● Drive off the track with 4 wheels.
● Opposite drift - Drifting with the opposite
angle required at that point on course
● Spinning Out
● Loss of drift - Straight wheels.

In Pair runs:

● Drive off the track with 4 wheels.
● Opposite drift - Drifting with the opposite angle
required at that point on course
● Spinning Out
● Loss of drift - Straight wheels
● Collision with the other driver that is considered “avoidable”
or unsportsmanlike
● A chase driver intentionally not chasing the lead driver after
an INCOMPLETE was scored on the previous run.
● Three consecutive restarts from chicane cones
● Performing an Illegal pass - results in an
INCOMPETE for the chase driver
● Getting legally passed - results in an INCOMPLETE
for the lead driver

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sun 26 Feb 2023, 11:48.

❗26 February take hold seven Stage of Lislon Drift Challenge on LSN Drift Ground server.

⚠ Need registration for participation - https://www.lfs.net/leagues/589/season/715/round/8/signup
Server - LSN DRIFT GROUND
Password on server - lsndrfch7
Mods - N.S80, XR GTD, XRT GTD V6T, STREET XRT, TDN YANNY 26T, XRTZIP, SALIVA15 RAIJIN LS7, SALIVA15 GOCHA, SALIVA15 RAIJIN, XR GT TURBO SMALL WHEELS, COQUETTE Z5 TUNED, XRT_DMN86, TAZ 05 DRIFT, XRSRT, NAVOZ
+ Private mods, FZ JJD DRIFT, XR GT JJD, VAL CH, CLASSICK 04, TAZ71 ORA TURBO, NUR 420, SAUSAGE 15, XRV8TURBO, SLX35 FCH
Tires - normal / cold
Org - RDC Alexey
Date - 26.02.23
Time - 18:00 Moscow time (15:00 UTC)
Registration - https://www.lfs.net/leagues/589/season/715/round/8/signup
Regulations - https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/98535-Lislon-Drift-Challenge---Regulations
Server Rules - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dyVm0u_RybF8UekFwcS8xpHeTSaYseBNxvmfFF6Xkxw/edit

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sun 26 Feb 2023, 08:52.

Quote from Eclipsed :

That's why people normally use white default skin on non-paint schemed colors. In your case player is forced to make a skin when he wants a car in simple one color (red for example) which isn't available in the colors list.

I understand it, I just don't like it, increase the weight of the mod, and have a white sheet, from the message in the lfs it is obvious that you need to switch the coloring to the skin in order to generate it, I do not see this as a big problem.

Fixed mirrors

Quote from versiu :

There's A LOT of derivatives based on public available mods. I'm lurking at review subforum sometimes

I know. But dint get it, that was not exaclty the topic of our conversation. I don't understand why you are telling me this.
This does not change my words, and the motivation may still be the one that I spoke about.

Quote from versiu :

Why not? Some people want to use their personal tune of car and on the other side there's a lot of people that don't want to scroll list full of useless mods (different tunes/customs of one car) so there's some kind of win win here.

I don't know of any modmaker who made the mod private for this reason. Imao the vast majority of modmakers just want to have a mod for personal use to make themselves privileged over others. Because everyone else can't use this mod. But the author can. I find it odd to say the least.
I am against private mods. But I'm in favor of having this option in LFS, because it gives more freedom to be creative for that small percentage of modmakers who just don't want to show their creativity in public. Its like how shy artists hide their paintings in their closets.

Quote from Tomfuel :

Hello,

Joke : the irony of the story is that finally, if the Cup was not canceled, only 3 overseas have signups ; and 1 is a Gum Garage member team !!! (Australia).

Clearly, there is a before and an after to this unfortunate experience : Mod’s Authors have the power to ruin your leagues, your events, your races by a simple click.

Anyone doesn't agree with your rules…
anyone disappointed not to succeed in pre qualifying or qualifying session..
anyone wants revenge after penalties or in a clash with another participant..
anyone with a geopolitical motivation …
etc .. (there is no limitations to annoying someone)

.. could very well make inaccessible its mods, even if it gave the right of use to the developers and users of Live for Speed according to the data upload rules

I will say at once that I do not know what happened and the details of the situation. But basic principles are important to me. It was also not very reasonable of you to trust (obviously) someone you didn't know, who was supposed to do everything in a good and decent way just because he is good and right or one that suits you.

No matter what you do. Sometimes you get people who aren't decent, sometimes they are decent just your interests don't align, and sometimes the situation just changes. For leagues such as yours, with mods from the same author - this situation shouldn't have happened at all. The organizer is wiser to have the authorship of legue mods, especially if there aren't many, because with many authors can agree to create their versions of other people's mods.

Quote from Tomfuel :

I hope in the future a feature to guarantee the use of the online current version of a mod car for a correct (and no-stress) functioning of the leagues

The basic principle of changing a mod by author should be inviolable. But this can be considered as a mutual agreement of both parties. Although even so, the author of the mod waives his right to change his mod. And in my opinion, even this is not a very correct way to do it. The best way is not to lead to such a situation at all, but to have your own mods.

Done, change published. Now it looks like that, it hard to manipulate with torque line along with horsepower in this graph editor.

Quote from iiiiil :

It's pretty obvious that there is a problem with the engine because torque graph wasn't replicated correctly.
Your engine has almost 0 horsepower and torque until 2500rpm. Not sure about idle rpms but it seems like 3500 is too high, this can be the answer why car just don't accelerate from rolling start.

Model looks good, maybe needs some small things in interior, but i hope you will fix the engine

Oh shit, i noticed that red numbers are horsepower and i look on the line of the 0 on red numbers and not on dash one... There are no numbers on the LFS graph and I was in a rush when I did it, and screwed up a little.
Ill fix it now.

Quote from kentwolf :

It doesn't accept the skin you made for it O_o plus then you want to generate a skin tempplate it doesn't do it.

Works for me.
On first choose skin, (second color) and then press "Generate skin tamplete" and it copied in your clipboard, and you can just Ctrl+V it in Photoshop or something.

If you have a question about the engine and why it runs so weird, it is important to understand that the real car has a 2JZ GTE, a typical aspect of 2JZ is that it does not have much torque at mid rpm, and you need to make a clutch-kick to start drifting.

I found a dyno graph with a 2JZ with about the same power as will be used in the real world, and pasted the values into the LFS Editor and made the graph similar to the one in the real world. And the result is as it should be. Idle speed according to the graph is 2400 rpm. Engine gets a noticeable push after 5,000 rpm. In reality, 2JZ does not go in a slide on soft semi-slicks after increasing the gear because it rests in the middle rpm.

So it's not a bug, it's a feature.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Mon 20 Feb 2023, 14:09.

Quote from kentwolf :

Is it possible you could make a skin template for this?

Done

Add skin support, add default skin, change steering wheel size and position, changed animation, add fictional logos, add new mappings