Quote from detail :

They do suport it. Sociology is true...

Apparently you do not live in Russia, which explains a lot. It's funny that when you disagree with my position, you don't offer any counterarguments. You just say no "that's not true"... and what do you expect me to argue with? Am I supposed to answer "no it's not true"? And then we're supposed to throw poop at each other?

Quote from detail :

Pollsters who do these polls, know their job very well -- they do test their questions for bias, they did make different questions to detect different sentiment.

Yes, you're right.. in Russia everything is so fair and correct, sociologists do unbiased surveys, and the police know how to catch criminals, judges know how to punish defendants fairly. Officials in russia know how to take care of citizens and of course they don't take bribes...



Sorry, maybe you put it strangely, but from the outside it looks like you don't know anything about Russia...

Quote from detail :

The argument that Russians are afraid of answering to polls, is a projection of intellectuals.

That's not what I said.

There are at least 3 factors in the fallacy of the poll results in Russia.

1. People with disagreeable opinions will refuse to take the poll. (Fear is one factor in this, most likely the deciding one, but not the only)
2. If people agree to take the survey, they may lie. (All people lie, even in relatively free societies. And they lie even more in authoritarian societies)
3. Faking or manipulating the results. ( Tampering with any results in Russia is common, both with elections and state sociology.)

Each of the three factors affects polling in Russia. And it is obvious to me why.

You haven't given a convincing argument as to why this or that is wrong. Maybe I misunderstood something, and if you have better arguments, I can agree.

Authoritarian societies are characterized by the things I wrote about above. I can't understand what your point is, that Russia is not an authoritarian state? Or that in spite of the fact that Russia is an authoritarian state, why does it drown in things that are characteristic of authoritarian states? Or what?
Lack of reasoning does not bring understanding to your position.

Quote from detail :

Working class and people without degree (that's ~66% of population) don't see the world like a 1984 story and aren't that paranoid. Pollsters say they often started to speak more to them, and those who oppose the official position too.

If you mean higher education (bachelor's degree) as it is called in russia then many of the working class in Russia have degrees, such as designers, engineers, technologists, and so on. Almost all such specialties require a higher education degree. Except for some janitors, cashiers, and so forth. And only those who do not have it 35% So it looks like your figure is taken from the ceiling. As we say in Russia.

And it’s not clear why you decided to take my separate take about the 1984 novel and pass it off as the universal position of all Russians or something, and as if passing it off as my position, you are replacing concepts, I didn’t talk about it. It's called the straw man fallacy.
I spoke about George Ourell's novel as an example to clarify my position .. If you ask 10 Russians what is happening in Russia, you can get 10 different answers. But this does not mean that, for example, most of them will not agree with certain aspects. for example, about the extremely high level of authoritarianism in Russia.
And for some reason you have decided that this part of the population "don't see the world like a 1984 story and aren't that paranoid" I doubt that there was a poll on this particular topic, but even if there had been, it does not invalidate what I said about false statistics based on polls in Russia.

Quote from detail :

Here's good article on this wishful thinking (you may try translating it with Google) written before the war by sociologist Lev Gudkov, who has been making polls since 1980s, and an interview with him. (Another one in English.)

First of all, referring to authority is not an argument.
Second, you don't seem to have read the article yourself, most of it talks about the failure of liberalism in Russia and explains the background and why it happened. Which I mostly agree with. But it is not clear why you referred to it here. I certainly can't call myself a liberal in the modern sense.
You don't need any articles to make an argument, they may be needed in an argument except to prove factual things.
Third, my native language is Russian...because I was born, raised and still live in Russia. I thought that the flag next to the name should be clear but you referred to the article in Russian and you suggest using an translator...

And if you wanted to make an argument about wishful thinking, then why can't I say the same for you? It's your lack of argument here. I am only talking about things that are characteristic of authoritarian and in particular totalitarian systems.


I like to study the history of my country (and not only), philosophy, and geopolitics. And I diligently avoid falling under any kind of propaganda. So yes.. I have some understanding of what is going on in my country.

Quote from detail :

There's a big debate among sociologists on whether or not they make questions correctly, and what kind of bias the methods have. So any layman's claim that this is just "not true" is just a sign of total ignorance. Like a football fan believing he knows better how to coach a team.

I agree, but it doesn't change what I said.

let's raise the level of discussion and after some thesis we will give arguments to this thesis so that it would be clear what we are talking about.

My argument is simple, Russia at the moment is an authoritarian and in many ways a totalitarian country, and what happens in such regimes is characteristic of such regimes. And the main thing is silence, people who do not agree are silent, because they can do nothing else if they do not want to fill the prisons. And Fear of the part of the population that understands the situation. But not only to that part of the population. The lack of rights and freedoms, too, is objectively visible to everyone, and if you are faced with a state in the form of the police or judicial system, then no one can expect justice, and most people understand this. Brainwashing also plays a role. So does the torture system in prisons. And the police state built by Putin which is ready to meet anyone even on a solitary picket.
The silovik in Russia is not the protector of citizens, but the owner of the monopoly of violence, ready to use this violence at any time. i mean we've literally gotten to the point where people are put in jail for making jokes. Fear is understandable, because authoritarianism is based on fear.

All this is a background that forms a special atmosphere. And shapes people. And then there is not just a question of when a person lies or tells the truth. But also, for example, when a person lies to himself.

And I don’t understand why you think that people from this system will decently do work that will show them wrong. It is likely that honest sociological surveys of the population are also being conducted, but if so, then they are not public.

I often hear about the 80% of the Russians supporting the war. And for those who do not live in Russia it is difficult to explain why this sociology is not true.

There is an English-speaking Russian on YouTube who left Russia after the start of the war, who explains to a Western audience about the same thing that I am trying to explain in my posts. This is great stuff if you want to understand what is really going on in Russia.

Just one of the videos as an example.


Imagine yourself as the hero of a 1984 novel (I highly recommend you read it if you haven't already) imagine that people from the Ministry of Truth are approaching you for a sociological survey and want to know your opinion about government of your contry. Do you even want to answer them? Will you tell them the truth? And even if you say they will pass your answer to the statistics in an honest way?

Many Western people do not understand what a totalitarian society is. And how ridiculous are their questions about "why the Russians are not protesting?" .. (And in general we protest, as we can..) Why didn't you ask yourself why the North Koreans are not protesting? It is the same..

I was lucky to be born in the relatively free 90s, where there was some kind of freedom of speech and freedom of the press, but not now. In the last 10 years authoritarianism has become so strong in Russia that put roots in all spheres of human life. Which pours on you like from a bucket from a TV, radio, newspapers, from the Internet, from a place of work, from a university, from school, and even from kindergarten.. Which simply cannot be ignored. And there are only two ways: either he will break you and you will accept the situation and become who you are told to become, or you will resist to the end the imposition on you of how you need to think, how you need to speak, how you need to live and how you need to die. And even in this situation, many still resist.

I have a suggestion (If it's not hard to do) to make visible the tire surface temperature (with tire inner layer temperature) and pressure level with value as it was in earlier versions. For example, if you could do something like the picture, so tire surface temperature on top and tire inner layer temperature on bottom, that would be cool. It is important not to block the tread layer to see the wear.

By default, F9 shows the temperature of the inner layer of tire rubber, but many players do not know this, and do not know that LFS has a function to view the temperature of the tire surface on ctrl+shift on F9 screen, and this is very important, especially if you want to analyze the tire heating in each corner and how you need to turn for better temp, or how fast tire cooling on straight, inner layer of tire temp not that much informative, it can help in the tactics in the race.

In addition, it is not convenient to press ctrl+shift in corners to watch the changes in the tire surface temperature.

From my experience about 95% (or even more) of the players do not know that there is a tire surface temperature in LFS and inner too on ctrl+shift, or rather they believe that this is surface temperature is shown in f9 and there is only that.. So it's a little confusing.

Edit: alternatively just make a switch button instead of holding a button. But then we need to make an explanation for when we see the temperature of the outer layer and when we see the temperature of the inner layer otherwise you can get confused.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Thu, 23 Mar 2023 09:01.

Quote from Scawen :

I'm asking more about the layout and information format.

Would this do the job? I'm not sure about "1L" and "AV". My intention is to replace the @ symbol with either a fuel tank or battery.

Looks good, Imao fuel tank icon is more intuitive, If there will be a battery, you can think about the ignition and 12v battery in case of ICE cars (which the absolute majority in the LFS), it would be ideal if the icon would change depending on the selected EV/ICE car.

Quote from AtomAnt :

I wasn't thinking my best. point taken.

No problem, better join the discussion if you have an opinion on it.

Quote from AtomAnt :

Ant Here...I hate Taller people..
But feel free to get back to your discussion of others peoples lives..

I don't quite understand why you're being ironic here. Are you a biological determinist or something?

We discuss cause and effect, why this or that happened, and how it led to the current situation. And we constructively argue about this. And personally, I also try to understand the big picture and the global geopolitical situation. What's wrong with that?

Quote from detail :

Roughly speaking, I meant the opposite: these aren't beyond the corner.

Yes, you're right, I meant that you discussed these possibilities. And so the analogies were also used.

Although I do not really like historical analogies. Just like any other analogy. An analogy can be used if you want to explain something to the interlocutor but not when you want to make a argument. For example, why do you think so and not otherwise can be supplemented with an analogy for better understanding. But analogy is not argument by default. Because an analogy just is a comparison of two things by one or more properties. And this cannot be argument because it is a violation of the rule of identity. For example - there is a red apple, and red strawberries. These are two different things that have the same property of being red. But that does not mean that an apple is a strawberry. And so you can compare any thing like that, but it essentially does not mean anything.

We can discuss cause and effect, why some events occurred, what were the prerequisites for this, and how it led to the current situation. We can look at the global picture of the confrontation between the parties. We can even discuss what might happen in the future. In my opinion, this all makes more sense than analogies.

Quote from detail :

Civil war started after a very exhaustive war, revolution and corruption in military/police.

If you mean after-effect, then Post hoc ergo propter hoc. I don't quite agree that WWI was the reason for the Civil War, Yes, it had an influence, but not a priority. And maybe even the opposite of WWI delayed the revolution. Although it's debatable. Imao the Civil War was a consequence of the Revolution. You can probably say that the revolution happened as a result of the war, but the October Revolution was primarily a consequence of the February Revolution. And the socialists tried to overthrow the government at the beginning of the twentieth century. They were among those who fomented the revolution of 1905-1907. They staged terrorist attacks and tried in every way to seize power. And then in 1917 the socialists made their move on base of strong protest sentiments in the aftermath of the February Revolution in moment the war came to a standstill. Because some of them probably feared that starting a revolution in wartime was not a good idea. But people like Lenin who said that they would turn an imperialist war into a civil war, meaning a war against the political bourgeois elites. But in the end they made a real civil war against their own people. And Russia suffered big losses in the war and was forced to accept peace with the captured independence of states.

I'm not interested in answeering to someone with a rhetoric level of 9yo child who can't even read.

Quote from detail :

I don't think it's a threat currently. For Russian Empire...

Coup, Civil War, collapse of the country.. in my opinion, you share the skin of an unkilled bear too early. We are talking about the future in the current situation from which there are no prerequisites for any of the listed options. Which in my opinion is even more.
For example, Putin can stay in power for another 20 years, for example, and transfer power to a successor who will adhere to the same course of authoritarianism, the loyalty of the political elite bought for huge corruption, the lack of freedoms and democracy and the system of brainwashing people that will only improve.

Or even if Putin were to step down from power for unstated reasons, such as the snuffbox scenario. Then power can still be seized by Mishustin or Shaigu, or any of the politicians who are now close to Putin. And in this case, most likely, the policy will remain about the same, or there will be a slight liberalization and democratization. But I'm not sure about that either.

I hardly believe in the scenario of a coup and the coming to power of a conditional Navalny. And if this happens I do not think it will be good. Too many people are zombified by today's propaganda, it will take a long time to get this noodle out of their ears. And that is why there is a risk of civil war and splitting the country. The question of the Caucasus goes there as well. Imao the only possible way for an effective transition to democracy and liberalization of the country is now through a very slow stage-by-stage transition, perhaps even through several presidents.

In any case, none of us has a crystal ball to look there and know what will happen in the future, too many factors are hidden behind the walls of the Kremlin that we do not know about.

But it all depends on the outcome of this war. The longer the conflict drags on, the worse it is for Putin's rating. When there are no set goals and objectives of the war, it is not clear what the victory in the war is. But it is definitely not the capture of four regions of Ukraine, otherwise there is a question even in the minds of zombified propaganda people, for what it was? For what purpose it was necessary to kill tens or hundreds of thousands of Russian people.. That it would have existed like Donbass during these 8 years? To get four subsidized regions that now need to be restored at their own expense? Whats the point? Although perhaps the propaganda will find excuses even for this.

Quote from dfgjkl :

The **** did you bring them? here you are sleeping pro-western progagandon

Said the one who repeats the pro-Russian propaganda.

Quote from dfgjkl :

Can't we do sarcasm?

Sarcasm? What's the point? So you meant to say I'm a nice guy who cares about others? Yeah, ofcourse, that sounds like you... (That's sarcasm, and it's clear what I'm getting at.)

Every time when they have nothing to say, they talk nonsense, and when they realize they shit themselves, they hide behind sarcasm.. So lame.

While my interlocutors still do not want to answer me, I found an interesting thing. This is one of those rare cases where a person in Russia tries to remain a journalist to the end.
Vladimir Posner, a man who grew up in the West. (In France and the United States) And moved to the USSR when he was a teenager. And in this sense he has a profound understanding of both cultures

At a time when everyone is discussing specific events, news, fakes, about whom to blame, about who is a villain and who is a hero, about labeling... I like him for trying to remain objective and trying to understand on the big picture and the reasons of what happened.
And after a year of silence he finally gave his comment on the situation.

If you've read past posts in this thread and others, you may notice some overlap between our positions.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Thu, 9 Mar 2023 11:39.

Quote from dfgjkl :

Have you already been "shot by hanging" and you came here to tell how you suffer?

Wtf is you talking about? In the quoted fragment I am not mentioned at all, as in my other comments.. Don't you have nothing to answer to me that you just decided to talk nonsense that unrelated to reality? I understand that you are brainwashed, but is it that much? You couldn’t even reproduce russian propaganda takes? Come on, you can do it, I believe in you.

Quote from MousemanLV :

Russia was the one who started this war

Here we go again. I can see by the emotional coloring and insults in your comment that you're agitated. But can you answer questions calmly and rationally? It feels like you haven't even tried to read the thread.

What is Russia as you understand it? If one person is Russia, then for example you are Latvia, right?

Quote from MousemanLV :

They have always had the chance to stop it

Who is "they"? And how exactly to stop it?

Quote from MousemanLV :

Russian ''troops'' (more like people whove been let out of prison) were tricked into believing they are doing military training.

If you are referring to the Wagner's PMC, then technically it is not part of the Russian army.
This is an army of Eugene Prihozhin personally. He personally traveled through prisons and recruited people for the war. And I am not aware of the situation in which they were tricked.

Quote from MousemanLV :

It's ridiculous to even discuss this

Well...i mean..you're discussing it.

Quote from MousemanLV :

Russia has destroyed most of the infrastructure. Not to mention the amount of horrific things done to innocent civilians. Disgusting.

It true that is horrific things done to innocent civilians, but most of the infrastructure in Ukraine has been destroyed? Where do you find your sources of information?
There are 27 regions and 24 oblasts in Ukraine. And for this year Putin does not even manage to capture four of them, which he has already claimed as his own. (Pictrure for you from November 25, but nothing much has changed there) Yes, there are many small towns that where the infrastructure has been severely damaged, some of the larger cities have suffered. but even in the captured regions, such as Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts, most people still live there, and most of the infrastructure is intact. Although there have been attacks from the Ukrainian side since 2014.
Yes, Mariupol suffered the most. But that's because the Russian army shelled AFU positions that were hiding mostly in civilian infrastructure. But this happens in any modern war that takes place in a city, the for example Russian army also used civilian houses when the Ukrainians attacked Kherson captured by Russian army, unfortunately this cannot be avoided. Post-Soviet panel buildings are made of thick concrete and are well suited to protect infantry. There are evacuations every time before the attacks, but many people just don't want to leave their homes.
Yes, the military infrastructure in the unoccupied regions which was attacked in most cases. Same as was the power plant infrastructure was bombed, to complicate the work of the Ukrainian military. And sometimes missiles flew into cities in non-captured regions. Sometimes because of Ukraine's air defense, sometimes because of individual soldiers who were holding meetings in the city. Sometimes they probably just missed. But these are isolated cases.
To say that "most of the infrastructure in Ukraine has been destroyed" is simply incorrect from a factual point of view.

Quote from MousemanLV :

But that would be hard to grasp for the common Russki just because they have been fed the information that ''Ukraine started the war''. Bunch of retards.

It's not because someone is retarded. Propaganda works the same way all over the world. If you tell your people (no matter what kind) for 10 years that 2+2=5, they will believe it.

The Rwandan genocide was artificially provoked by propaganda, people just pulled out knives and started cutting essentially the same people just because they were told so on the radio. North Koreans believe Kim Jong-un is a god who rules the world because of propaganda. Some Russians believe that most Ukrainians are Bandera supporters who sympathize with the Nazis and they in power of Ukraine too. And that's why denazification is needed. Some Americans believe that if you consider yourself a transgender deer at age 10, it's okay. And you need a surgical sex change because of that. Propaganda is everywhere. It's just propaganda in some major media it's more fierce, and in others it's less so.

Quote from MousemanLV :

Even the media in Russia that had decent amount of self respect just stepped back from broadcasting anything, because media in Russia is forced instead of actually having informational resources that are fact checked.

True, if you now want to tell the truth in front of some kind of audience in Russia, at best you will be fired and fined administratively. And in the worst case, criminal penalties for dozens of years or simply get killed, as has already been done to many people. And all independent media outlets have already been labeled as foreign agents, (i.e. enemies of the people in the terminology of the USSR) which makes their work in Russia impossible. This is why the Russians are now especially zombified by the double dose of propaganda, compared to the already quite strong propaganda in peacetime.

Quote from Scawen :

Is there a way to automatically fix them?

I have seen this message when the points are too close to each other or in the same place. To automatically remove such points in the blender, there is a merge by distance feature, you set the distance yourself and all points less than this distance will merge.

And that would be cool to unify shortcuts even more to the blender as much as possible, and it's not because I've working in blender for 15 years, but because most of the modmakers who model mash themselves do it in the blender.

Editor mode selection:
SHIFT+S: subob
SHIFT+T: tri
SHIFT+P: point
SHIFT+B: build
SHIFT+M: map
SHIFT+C: cutout
SHIFT+G: page
SHIFT+V: view
S: select selection's points / select connected triangles
X: hide selected (points or triangles)
SHIFT+X: hide unselected
ALT+X: unhide all

It doesn't look to me a well unified for blender. I understand that you wanted to come up with new keyboard shortcuts for the first letter of operation like in blender, but this replaces some keys that could be used like in blender.

Basic Default Blender key shortcuts.

After selecting some mesh -
S - Scale
R - Rotate
G - Grab
E - Extrude
H - Hide
I - Insert
F - Make a Face (or edge, for point connection)
M - Merge points
X - Deliting mesh options (like dissolving with keeping geometry will be useful in blender (pic1))
J - Join point through mesh with straight line


that works with no selected mesh
A - Select all
B - Box selection
C - Brush selection (circle of selection that u can change size by mouse scroll)
Z - Changing view modes pie menu (ill use old fashon Z switch to wire\solid shading)
K - Knife (You just drawing a new join selection points over mesh)
T\N Show up or hide side menus (Modeler kinda have it, will be nice if they can be hide for screenshots or something.

Shift+R - Loop cut
Sfift+A - Add something (like mesh primitives or lights etc)
Shift+D - Dublicate selected mesh
Shift+N - Recalculate normals
Sfift+G - Select similar (edges, faces etc)

Ctrl+B for bevel (will be nice if modeler can do something like that)


the big advantage of blender is that it often uses axes in shortcuts

You can do in a free view for example S+Y+2 - and that scale selected mesh on Y axis in 2 times.
Or R+X+90 Rotate selected mesh on X axis on 90 degrees.

And blender also has mouse controls for many of these commands.
For example if you select point in blender G+X and mouse moving move that point on X axis.
It would be cool if you can do something similar in the modeler
Or you just can do select - S in a free view and everthing selected will be scaled by mouse move in all axis, and origin of scaling will be center of mesh by defoult but it can be chaged to something else (pic2))


To switch between modes I would choose - 1 For Subobject mode, 2 for triangle mode 3 for point mode, etc.
This seems to me the most intuitive way to switch between modes, in blender with nombers you switch between layers in collection. But it's debatable. Although the latest blender versions of blender Tab pie menu is used to switching between modes. But persanally ill choose old fashon Tab switch between Edite/Object mode.

With Alt in blender you do a opposite thing.

So if H - hide
Alt+H - unhide.
A - select all
Alt+A - clear selection

But all that makes little significance compared to the upcoming graphics and physics update, and we can still work in the modeller, so I hope that the developers are now focused on the more important update. Unification of the modeller can be done later.

It would be convenient to see the keys shortcuts in some kind of list or in a pop-up tab at the bottom of the center. Watching them on the forum is not very handy.

And that would be cool to unify shortcuts even more to the blender as much as possible, and it's not because I've working in blender for 15 years, but because most of the modmakers who model mash themselves do it in the blender.

Funny and in many ways correct video.

Looks good, keep it up👍 It nice to see more and more people using imagemodeler and blender to make mods from scratch.

General rules on the track.

● The last white lines are the border of the track except some curbs. If the track boundaries conflict with the drawn white or clip zone lines, then the drawn lines (white or yellow) take precedence.
● Everywhere after initiation except the deacceleration zone go to full throttle.
● The handbrake and the brake are prohibited (except decel zone) for the whole length of the track for the leader.
● Yellow cones for indicating of clip zones, so that it can be seen better.


● False start - one strike
● Knocked cone at the start/non-compliance with the starting procedure - one strike

Recomendations

Our championship is designed to bring some challange to drift competitions. This also applies to track configurations.

Don't risk the edge of the track in the first run of qualifying. Otherwise there is a risk of getting two zeros and leaving the competition.
Only one successful run can already give the way to the doubles heats.

Judge Task

● Acceleration on start after green light, bypassing the chikane. Without knocking down the cones.
● Leader cant cross white restriction line.
● Initiation on the yellow line, before this line there should be a significant angle. Initiate with a clutch or flip. Handbrake here will be mistake for leader.
● The outside zone 1, you need to fill it from beginning to end, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● NoGo Zone, leader must not cross this line, penatilization is the same as out of border of the track. Chaser can go in NoGo Zone if he needed to.
● The clip zone 1, you need to fill it, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● The outside zone 2, you need to fill it from beginning to end, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● The clip zone 2, you need to fill it, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● The outside zone 3, you need to fill it from beginning to end, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● Decel zone, here you can increase the angle, and slow down without throttle, you can also use the handbrake.
● The clip zone 3, you need to fill it, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● Finish line.

Estimated by 0. (Critical mistake)

In Qualification:

● Drive off the track with 4 wheels.
● Opposite drift - Drifting with the opposite
angle required at that point on course
● Spinning Out
● Loss of drift - Straight wheels.

In Pair runs:

● Drive off the track with 4 wheels.
● Opposite drift - Drifting with the opposite angle
required at that point on course
● Spinning Out
● Loss of drift - Straight wheels
● Collision with the other driver that is considered “avoidable”
or unsportsmanlike
● A chase driver intentionally not chasing the lead driver after
an INCOMPLETE was scored on the previous run.
● Three consecutive restarts from chicane cones
● Performing an Illegal pass - results in an
INCOMPETE for the chase driver
● Getting legally passed - results in an INCOMPLETE
for the lead driver

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:48.

❗26 February take hold seven Stage of Lislon Drift Challenge on LSN Drift Ground server.

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Password on server - lsndrfch7
Mods - N.S80, XR GTD, XRT GTD V6T, STREET XRT, TDN YANNY 26T, XRTZIP, SALIVA15 RAIJIN LS7, SALIVA15 GOCHA, SALIVA15 RAIJIN, XR GT TURBO SMALL WHEELS, COQUETTE Z5 TUNED, XRT_DMN86, TAZ 05 DRIFT, XRSRT, NAVOZ
+ Private mods, FZ JJD DRIFT, XR GT JJD, VAL CH, CLASSICK 04, TAZ71 ORA TURBO, NUR 420, SAUSAGE 15, XRV8TURBO, SLX35 FCH
Tires - normal / cold
Org - RDC Alexey
Date - 26.02.23
Time - 18:00 Moscow time (15:00 UTC)
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Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sun, 26 Feb 2023 08:52.

Quote from Eclipsed :

That's why people normally use white default skin on non-paint schemed colors. In your case player is forced to make a skin when he wants a car in simple one color (red for example) which isn't available in the colors list.

I understand it, I just don't like it, increase the weight of the mod, and have a white sheet, from the message in the lfs it is obvious that you need to switch the coloring to the skin in order to generate it, I do not see this as a big problem.

Fixed mirrors

Quote from versiu :

There's A LOT of derivatives based on public available mods. I'm lurking at review subforum sometimes

I know. But dint get it, that was not exaclty the topic of our conversation. I don't understand why you are telling me this.
This does not change my words, and the motivation may still be the one that I spoke about.