Quote from Scawen :

D36: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/102626

Backing texture can now be used with all types of clock texture
Text colour and opacity can be set on the s_clock_formula clocks

The update with dashboards is just great, now dashboards will be beautiful and it will be easier to create beautiful mods inspired by real cars. The only thing which lacks is the ability to turn off the numbers for the texture of the formula clocks, so that we can customize the fonts for the numbers atleast for tacho.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Thu 22 Jun 2023, 21:15.

When they have nothing to say, they post pictures of themselves Well at least that's honest

Quote from pedalkin :

As result, Ukraine adopted nazism, which calls for basic instincts.

And again no answer again, every time, it's so funny

Hey Z people who support the war, do you have a single fact that "Ukraine has adopted nazism"?
I'm asking any of you, I'm asking for at least one fact. Don't you have any?

You could at least name someone from Azov for the sake of decorum, but you don't even do that... Bandera in Ukraine today in the mass consciousness is just a fighter for independence. People who support him deny the crimes he committed. That doesn't make them Nazis.
Yes in Ukraine after 14 and especially after 24 February last year, the cult of nationalism is cultivated. But why did it happen? Do you understand the cause and effect relationship? And why is that a bad thing? It can be bad, I don't deny it, but why, can you explain?
Israel exists as a National state. So? Why is that a bad thing? Putin himself, for example, called himself a nationalist. And?

If you are so shy or have nothing to say, then let me start with the facts about Nazism.
Dmitry Utkin admitted to being a Nazi.
Alexei Milchakov openly admitted to being a Nazi, a racist, a sadist and a vivisectionist.
Dmitry Ragozin spoke at Russian marches, against minorities, and raised arm in the Sieg Heil in cheer for Hitler. Which speaks well for his views.
Eugene Rasskazov (Topaz) also openly admits to sympathizing with Nazi ideology and Hitler.
DSRG Russich, an organization that aims to destroy the "khokhlos" (an insulting term for Ukrainians)
And at least part of the leadership of the Wagner PMC has supporters of Nazism, and there are already a lot of investigations into this.
And many others.

But there is one nuance, these are not Ukrainian, but Russian people and organizations. Which were supported by the Russian Ministry of Defense. Which means the Russian state.

Dmitry Rogozin (pic 1-2, second pic he holding a banner with "whites of all countries unite") is a Russian politician and statesman. In 22 he left for the war.



Dmitry Utkin (pic 7, 8) is the commander of the Wagner PMC.




Alexei Milchakov (pic 3, 15, 10, 11 Photo with the head of Crimea Sergey Aksenov) commander of DSRG Rusich.



photo with the head of Crimea Sergey Aksenov




And these people have followers who surely share their views, like Vladislav Krasnolutsky (pic 4)

"Russia for Russians, Voronezh for Krasnolutsky!" is the title of their joint photo in the social network of Vladislav Krasnolutsky, The brothers' social network albums contain many photos with a Third Reich theme, tattoos and T-shirts with swastikas, as well as selfies with their right hand raised in Sieg Heil. Vladislav Krasnolutsky first joined the Russian Wagner PMC and left for Syria in October 2017, where he was killed in Deir ez-Zor province. His brother, Artem Krasnolutsky, joined the Wagner PMC in 2018, after he was convicted of kidnapping and he was prisoned for 11 years in strict regime. He escaped from custody to the Wagner training base in Molkino, and received additional training there. After that, he was sent on a March rotation to staffing the Wagner PMC.

Or like Veselina Cherdantseva, known to television viewers as "Sniper Vasya"

Ksenia Shikalova is true name of Sniper Vasya, who emphasizes that she fights exclusively against fascism in the Donbass, has interesting photos too. (pic 5) Sniper Vasya is everyone's favorite in 2014, worthy of all praise, even to the point of declaring her almost the main squire of Igor Strelkov,According to Mayorov's relatives, Vasya was cold-blooded killed Alexei Mayorov but circumstances that are not entirely clear. It could have been a trivial conflict that escalated into a threat with a real weapon, in which the weapon still went off and Mayorov had to be killed to cover her tracks, or another argument over money, typical of such military conflicts, where Vasya accused Mayorov of stealing, but could not present any facts.

Or like Eugene Rasskazov (Topaz) who is part of Rusich group, openly calls for killing Ukrainians in his Telegram channel and congratulates Hitler on his birthday.
Or Yan Petrovsky (pic 6, 10), nicknamed the Great Slav. One of the closest people to Milchakov in Rusich group.


Yan Petrovsky is aslo known on the Internet for harboring Vyacheslav Datsik (pic 9) from prosecution.


Or such as brothers Konstantin (most likely pic 14 bottom one)

and Boris Voyevodin (pic 13, 14 left one, 17 and its funny not cuz of dress, but cuz it same house with pic 10 of Yan Petrovsky as you can see from the surrounding) from Rusich group. Both are Russian neonazis and are from St. Petersburg.




Kirill Rimkus (pic 12, 16 holding flag in left, 20) is also one of the members of DSRG Rusich, the pictures speak for themselves.




Yulia Kharlamova (pic 18)

Together with the Rusich group Yulia Kharlamova attacked Aidar battalion checkpoints in the village of Metalist, Luhansk region, according to Podrobnosti.ua. With reference to the now deleted but cached pages on social networks, the Ukrainian media reported that Yulia under the nickname Nordika participated in conventions of neo-fascist organizations and is a member of the "Orthodox-Nazi" organization Lamb of the Sky Blue. It is also reported that Kharlamova managed to get married and have a child, and is now closely friends with the "animal man" Alexei Milchakov, who, according to the Ukrainian press, abused the wounded fighters from "Aidar" in the village of Metalist.

And now these people are fighting for Russia and receive support from the Russian state. And this is not all of them, but only the most famous..
And nothing happens to them, no one fights with them in Russia. On the contrary, the state gives them support, financial support, supply support, invites them to state tv channels. And makes heroes out of them.

We can also add the Russian Imperial Movement, founded in 2002 in St. Petersburg by Stanislav Vorobyov, the Russian Imperial Movement has been fighting in the Donbass since April 2014. Who received government contracts on millions of dollars. The ultranationalist and white supremacist organization that advocates for the purity of the white race. Which, after February 24th, head of the movement Denis Gariev created its branch, the "ПартиZан" organization. It is now recruiting people for the war. In April 2020, the U.S. State Department imposed sanctions on the group, as well as Vorobyov and Gariyev.
The group “has provided paramilitary-style training to white supremacists and neo-Nazis in Europe and actively works to rally these types of groups into a common front against their perceived enemies,” the department said in a statement. The movement “has two training facilities in St. Petersburg, which are likely being used for woodland and urban assault, tactical weapons, and hand-to-hand combat training.
A few weeks after Gariyev’s Telegram post, the organization's combat training center in near St. Petersburg, called Partizan, announced the recruitment of volunteers to fight in Ukraine.Gariyev has also created a related organization called Reserve Squad, which, according to the German intelligence report, has received multimillion-dollar orders from the Interior Ministry, the Federal Security Service, and the Federal Protective Service, which is the government agency charged with providing bodyguard protection to top Kremlin officials.Like with Rusich, fighters with the Russian Imperial Legion joined the hostilities in eastern Ukraine in 2014-2015, and according to information provided by the militants, at least six members of the group were killed then.According to German intelligence, Gariyev was wounded in fighting in mid-April, and his deputy, Denis Nekrasov, was killed, possibly near the Kharkiv Oblast city of Izyum.Aleksandr Verkhovsky, a longtime expert on extremist groups in Russia and head of the research center SOVA, said that there were likely far fewer Russian extremist fighters in Ukraine now than there were in the early years of the Donbas war. “Nationalists played a key role in the first phase of the war,” he told Current Time.

Here are a couple of articles from the Robert Lansing Institute on the subject.
https://lansinginstitute.org/2022/03/16/russias-political-line-neo-nazism/
https://lansinginstitute.org/2022/05/26/nazism-emerges-in-russia-as-russian-neo-nazis-fight-in-ukraine/
https://lansinginstitute.org/2021/01/27/russia-keeps-setting-up-and-backing-neo-nazi-fighting-groups-in-the-west/

And there were other Russian neo-Nazi organizations like: Slavic Union, Cleaners, BORN, Format 18, Restruct, Volkssturm, Lincoln-88, NS/WP Nevograd, Ryno-Skachevsky gang, SPAS, National Socialist Party of Russia, Mad Crowd, White Society 88, Schultz 88, Werewolf Legion...and so forth. Yes, many of these organizations were banned, people were imprisoned, killed, or forced out of the country, but not all of them, many of them in 14 and 22 year and to this day go to combat formations like DSHRG Rusich, PMC Wagner, Russian Imperial Movement and other similar organizations.

So where is the Nazism we're talking about?

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Tue 13 Jun 2023, 11:24.

General rules on the track.

● The last white lines are the border of the track except some curbs. If the track boundaries conflict with the drawn white or clip zone lines, then the drawn lines (white or yellow) take precedence.
● Everywhere after initiation except the deacceleration zone go to full throttle.
● The handbrake and the brake are prohibited (except decel zone) for the whole length of the track for the leader.
● Yellow cones for indicating of clip zones, so that it can be seen better.

Strike penalization, three strikes - disqualification.
● False start - one strike
● Knocked cone at the start/non-compliance with the starting procedure - one strike

Estimated by 0. (Critical mistake)

In Qualification:
● Drive off the track with 4 wheels.
● Opposite drift - Drifting with the opposite
angle required at that point on course
● Spinning Out
● Loss of drift - Straight wheels

n Pair runs:
● Drive off the track with 4 wheels.
● Opposite drift - Drifting with the opposite angle
required at that point on course
● Spinning Out
● Loss of drift - Straight wheels
● Collision with the other driver that is considered “avoidable”
or unsportsmanlike
● A chase driver intentionally not chasing the lead driver after
an INCOMPLETE was scored on the previous run.
● Three consecutive restarts from chicane cones
● Performing an Illegal pass - results in an
INCOMPETE for the chase driver
● Getting legally passed - results in an INCOMPLETE
for the lead driver

Judge Task.

● Acceleration on start after green light, bypassing the chikane. Without knocking down the cones.
● leader cant cross white restriction line.
● Initiation on the yellow line, before this line there should be a significant angle. But you don't need to show a backward. This will be penalized in pair runs. initiate with a clutch or flip. Handbrake here will be mistake for leader.
● Аfter initiation, you need to get close to the wall, and show a big angle.
● Decel zone, leader can slow down without throttle, you also can use the handbrake.
● The clip zone 1, leader need to go as deep as possible, the closer to the border of the track, the better, without crossing the line of the NoGo zone, the chaser can cross the line if necessary.
● Touch and go 1, leader need to show at least only one rear wheel in this zone.
● The outside zone 1, leader need to fill it from beginning to end, the closer to the border of the track, the better.
● The clip zone 2, leader need to go as deep as possible, the closer to the border of the track, the better,
● Touch and go 2, here leader need to show at least only one rear wheel in this zone.
● Touch and go 3, here leader need to show at least only one front wheel in this zone.
● The clip zone 3, leader need to go as deep as possible, the closer to the border of the track, the better,
● Touch and go 4, here leader need to show at least only one rear wheel in this zone, without crossing the line of the NoGo zone, the chaser can cross the line if necessary.
● Touch and go 5, here you need to show at least only one rear wheel in this zone.
● Finish line.

❗On June 11, the eighth stage of the Lislon Drift Challenge will take place on the LSN Drift Ground server.

⚠ Registration is required to participate - https://www.lfs.net/leagues/589/season/715/round/9/signup
Server - LSN DRIFT GROUND
Server password - lsndrfch8
Mods - N.S80, N.400S STREET DRIFT, XR GTD, XRT GTD V6T, STREET XRT, TDN YANNY 26T, XRTZIP, SALIVA15 RAIJIN LS7, SALIVA15 GOCHA, SALIVA15 RAIJIN, XR GT TURBO SMALL WHEELS, COQUETTE Z5 TUNED, XRT_DMN86, TAZ 05 DRIFT, XRSRT, MANURE
+ Private Mods, FZ JJD DRIFT, XR GT JJD, VAL CH, CLASSICK 04, CLASSICK 04 DRIFT, TAZ71 ORA TURBO, NUR 420, SAUSAGE 15, XRV8TURBO, SLX35 FCH
Tires - normal/cold
Org - RDC Alexey
Date - 06/11/23
Time - 18:00 Moscow time (15:00 UTC)
Registration - https://www.lfs.net/leagues/589/season/715/round/9/signup
Regulations - https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/98535-Lislon-Drift-Challenge---Regulations
Server rules - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dyVm0u_RybF8UekFwcS8xpHeTSaYseBNxvmfFF6Xkxw/edit

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sun 11 Jun 2023, 14:54.

Thats looks cool, I haven't tried it yet, if its really works with no rotation restrictions this will help make smooth lays

i guess that all mods tha will be updated recently have that issue now

Quote from turbofan :

also this one :
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/104016-Your-vehicle-is-not-known-on-this-host

that issue has happened several times already for other mods since march or april

Yes, same with my mod N400S STREET DRIFT, that was published yesterday

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sun 4 Jun 2023, 09:59.

What a pessimistic mood here. At the moment is nothing better in the LFS than the official servers. All that the crack can offer is a brazilian servers with a huge ping, no mods, and with inadequate players whose management ddosing the LFS official master server. Fish rots from the head.

It looks like the Scawen is already finishing physics and Eric is finishing Fern bay, which is probably is was the last aspect of this update that needed to be done.

I believe that if the update with graphics and physics is not delayed anymore and comes out at least this year, it can bring new players in LFS, and a lot more players will bring Track Editor, if it comes out some time after the update. Since in all aspects (car mods, track mods, graphics, physics) the LFS can compete with the popular Assetto Corsa. And now it's losing because it doesn't have enough tracks and the graphics are not at a sufficient level.

Quote from Viperakecske :

So youre against Scawen

I answered a specific person who said that lfs is "It's not a game Live for Speed is a serious racing simulator.", and this already gives its own context. Unlike the manual with bright slogans.

I've met people like that before from the sect of witnesses of racing simulators. And I don't care who say it If he really means it, ordinary player or Scawen, even if it's Joe Biden or Putin. How does this change my words? Don't you have consumer protection laws or something? If you bought a product you can do what you want with it as long as it does not contradict the law, internal rules of use, or common sense. And no one else can dictate how you use it.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Thu 1 Jun 2023, 15:56.

Quote from Evolution_R :

The text @pajkul has posted is from here: https://www.lfs.net/whatislfs

And? It doesn't change my words.

Quote from Viperakecske :

When updating lfs

Quote from pajkul :

No need.

We can consider it necessary or not necessary it does not particularly matter, the main thing that the developers are focused on further support and development of the game. That's what's important and that's what most players are waiting for, some can no longer wait and that's why we have such messages. Which I can understand, but it is not necessary to constantly write it in to threads like this as it is unlikely to change anything and it just turns into annoying flooding.

Quote from pajkul :

It's not a game. Live for Speed is a serious racing simulator.

And racing simulator is not a gaming ganre? And we have no concepts like "sim racing games"?

I feel like I'm in a cult of holy simulators...

You can treat this game as you want, but don't impose your ideas on others.

How about we just have fun as we want?

Quote from pajkul :

No arcade modes, no steering aids - YOU have to do the driving.

I don't think you have the right to dictate to customers of a product what they should do with it. They can enjoy it as they see fit.

Final look on mod -
Please suppurt it on Vehicle Mod Reviews - https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/103937-N-400S-STREET-DRIFT

Quote from pedalkin :

the opinion which does not match with yours is obviously a consequence of propaganda. you're the only enlightened

Propaganda match with propaganda. If you had your own original thoughts on the subject, it probably wasn't propaganda. Moreover, I did not state anything unequivocally just in case you have your own thoughts on the subject, which is what I wanted to hear. But when im ask you for an explanation that you don't want to answer. What am I left to think about? The simplest explanation is the most effective.

Quote from pedalkin :

Ukraine adopted nazism

The take you gave is literally from Russian propaganda, which is repeated there daily basis. And you didn't give any reasoning for it. No facts, just big headlines.

Quote from pedalkin :

Why not stop using Discord and other communications? There are alternatives in Russian Internet.

I'm not going to change somehow for stupid people.

Quote from pedalkin :

It is very unlikely that complex theories, laws and policies can be understood by those who fail doing basic math operations. As result, Ukraine adopted nazism, which calls for basic instincts.

A decrease in the average does not mean that a particular person "fail doing basic math operations" and therefore he adheres to certain ideological positions. A does not imply B. If we are talking about logic, I advise you to study the material conditional.
Even if we assume that this is true (about fail doing basic math operations), what is the connection between Nazism and the inability to do math? You want to say in Germany all the Nazis did not know how to use mathematics? This is obviously not the case, and from an engineering point of view, Germany at the time of the outbreak of World War II bypassed most countries. And engineering and mathematics are connected.

Quote from pedalkin :

As result, Ukraine adopted nazism, which calls for basic instincts.

You apply an ideological title to an whole country...not to an individual, but to an entire country, when Ukraine is in fact another ideological entity. Are we talking about the same Nazis? National Socialism has only happened once in history, namely in Germany in the 30's and 40's.

Sounds like a propaganda thesis that makes a mountain out of a molehill. What you nean by "Ukraine adopted nazism"? Ukraine now National Socialist dictatorship? Ukraine have far-right totalitarian political ideology? Are Jews there being killed on the basis of ethnicity?
What do you mean exactly?
I don't want this thread to turn into a Solovyov or Kisilov show from Россия 24, they usually say that kinda of nonsense there. Let's not speak in terms of propaganda, Let's talk in the language of facts. And if you express some kind of categorical thesis, then will follow it with categorical argumentation.

From the outside it looks like a man who has heard enough propaganda and goes to tell everyone how Ukrainian society works.

Quote from pedalkin :

I was born in Russia, Russian-speaking, citizen of Lithuania, living and working in the UK and US.
I lived in Russia in my childhood and then few years during studies in university.
I heard the term of "civilized world" only in Eastern Europe/Russia, exceptionally in context of "We, former ex-Warsaw bloc joined NATO and EU, the civilised countries and thus also became civilised and you, the USSR are barbarians"
I read PISA Adult Skills Survey...

Almost all family members of my grandparents were killed by Lithuanians in early 40s (Holocaust in Lithuania), which is now considered by lithuanian history as "fight for freedom". And Lithuanian nowadays leadership consists of direct descendants of those who signed orders to kill my grandparents.

I'm sorry, but your comment seems kind of biased, and it looks like the last paragraph is the most important for you, from which you build further reasoning, in search of some surveys and statistics.
I don't quite understand your thesis. You give a lot of explanations, but what these explanations lead to is not clear to me. For example, you showed the PISA Adult Skills Survey, оkay, and what are you trying to say by that?

Quote from Racer Y :

The guy I was talking about is Prigozhin, The notorious Wagner Whiner. Conspiracy theory? No. I meant THEORIES. You don't have a bunch of them over there? Isn't that part of the planet where half of the conspiracy theories originate? Oh well we have all kinds over here. You debunk one, they just go and flock to another one.

We have conspiracy theories, but I prefer to discuss more concrete things, with simpler and more comprehensive explanations that fit with Occam's razor.

Quote from Racer Y :

And the rumor I was talking about is the one where Prigozhin offered to give up Russian positions to the Ukraine military. You haven't heard that one? This dude has been bad mouthing the Russian military every other hour. He is more critical than Nelvany is. So yeah, I figure he's gonna get taken out one way or the other.

For me, the more understandable explanation seems to be that fighters leave because of poor supplies, on the Russian side of the front it often happens that fighters are left without artillery shells and even without ammunition for automatic rifles. What should soldiers do in this situation when Ukrainians attack them, fight with their hands? There is also a constant shortage of shells for heavy equipment. (which, by the way, was constantly mentioned by Prigozhin) To me this looks like a more reasonable thing for the soldiers to escape than any conspiracy theories.

But okay, I'm willing to consider other options, let's say it's somehow profitable for Prigozhin. The question is how? I don't see why the Prigozhin would do that cuz I don't see how he can benefit from it. Because he himself suffers from fleeing soldiers.

Quote from Racer Y :

"China is constantly trying to turn events to its advantage, which is understandable. But speaking of the future we start to put a crystal ball on the table, I would prefer not to do that." I dunno. Better to be prepared.
Uh yeah... About that.... When Putin crashes and burns, it won't just be the Chinese. All of us are gonna want a piece of that pie. Even Ghana and Bolivia! And seeing all the oligarghs will be wanting their boats and their money back, they'll be more than happy to cooperate. But seriously you're gonna have problems with China as well as Iran and maybe Turkey trying to get influence in that region around Armenia

This may or may not be true. We cannot predict what will happen in the future.
I understand that Russia is the country with the largest territory and the largest common land border in the world. And as such, China should not be trusted in the long term, but some short-term cooperation could be beneficial. I would like to say that the Kremlin are not fools and also understand this, but given what happened in February last year, I think I will refrain from such an assessment.

If this was a pm, I would answer on this nonsense, but I'm here not for trolling. And I won't answer stupid off topic questions.

I'm sorry, but your presentation of information is a little confused, I don't quite understand what you're trying to say.

Quote from Racer Y :

I read an article about this a few days ago. This guy was spot on. He stated it was the west's fault that Putin's aggressions came about. He was right. It was because the western nations convinced the Ukraine to give their nukes back to the Russian Federation. All those nonsensical conspiracy theories about this or that when that's the real reason this happened. You think that Putin would take on a nuclear armed country?

What are you talking about? What guy? What conspiracy theory?

After the collapse of the Soviet Union there was the question of the distribution of nuclear weapons. Naturally the rest of the world did not want nuclear weapons to be divided among the 4 countries that had collapsed. It seems obvious to me that the more nuclear powers there are, the more likely it is that something could go wrong in the world.

That's why everybody wanted the newly created Russian Federation to keep the nuclear weapons, so the Budapest Memorandum was signed. The treaty implies not only transfer of nuclear weapons to Russia but also non-development of new nuclear weapons. In response, the U.S., Britain and Russia undertook obligations to respect the independence, sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine and to refrain from threats or use of force and economic pressure, and in case of any threats to Ukraine using nuclear weapons - to demand immediate action from the UN Security Council.
In fact this very part was violated by Russia first in 2014 and then in 2022, which means that technically Ukraine can develop nuclear weapons as Zelensky stated just before the full-scale invasion in 2022, And this very quote by Zelensky was used by Putin as one of the Casus belli for the invasion of Ukraine

This is not a conspiracy theory, these are facts.

Quote from Racer Y :

I do think these latest developments with Wagner group is pretty interesting. Even if the rumor is false, I still think Prigozhi is gonna have one those oligargh accidents. I don't even think Canada's Trudeau would put up with an embarrassment like that dude.

China... China. I still think they are gonna try to use this for leverage on whoever is running Russia when this is all over. I think that the timing of how it winds down will factor in as well.

Again. What latest developments with Wagner group?

Try to understand please, we are in a daily stream of news about the DNR-LNR, Bakhmut, Wagner, Prigozhin, Shaigu, Solovyov and his gulagunet, Strelkov-Girken and recently here's Prigozhin having a new skirmish with Gen. Sobolev, or new attacks in Ukraine, and Russian soldiers fleeing, and there are attacks even on Russia. And Prigozhin is trying to make a point about every single one of these things. And at the same time you pull out any one news item about Prigozhin and talk as if you all know what it's about. There the news gets so passionate, it's worse than a Spanish soap opera. There are literally a bunch of news items on Prigozhin and Wagner every day. At least tell us the point more or less to understand what you are talking about.

On China it could be, China is constantly trying to turn events to its advantage, which is understandable. But speaking of the future we start to put a crystal ball on the table, I would prefer not to do that.

Quote from ivo_drifta :

I really like your work here! Great job!

Thank you man, I appreciate it!

widebodys are almost done

I understand that this is not a bug, but I did not know where to write suggestions for the site.

For me, this is an obvious feature. I often came across a situation where I did not know what was answered on the forum, or when I answered someone and they did not answer me for months because they did not know that they had received an answer. I understand that there is a subscription tab on the site for this, but I already have dozens of threads there and I just don’t want to press this button, moreover, many simply don’t know how it works and don’t use this function

I have a suggestion to add a "reply" button instead of a "quote" button. This button will also do everything the same, including a quote in the answer, but it will also give a bell notification so that it is immediately visible on the site and the person understands that he received a response . It would also be convenient that you could click on the notification in the bell, which will take you to the desired forum thread.

It will work just like on all other modern sites and it will be immediately clear to everyone.

Quote from BlueFlame :

I'm late to this thread.

I guess you would say, I have strong opinions on this topic....

America and the West's obsession with this behaviour is just an extension of colonialism but the very same people who still harp on about colonialism to this day seem to want this war.

In the end, drafted soldiers and innocent people will die, all because the West doesn't want to lose face.

I didn't want to respond to your comment because I generally agree with everything you said, propaganda is indeed everywhere, and most people are highly influenced by it. But it is important to understand propaganda from all sides and try not to be influenced by any one of them. but re-reading my gaze caught on the word "colonialism"

Colonialism...yes, it is true to some extent. Like with liberalism, bolshevism, fascism, totalitarianism, nazism... all these are a collection of practices and ideas to gain power, we can call them different words, but the party that gets the upper hand over the other players has the right to dictate their terms of play by right of the strong. All this leads to globalism. That's the way our world works. The strongest dictates how to behave, despite the fact that we all know it's wrong. Even if these practices, polities and idiologies are recognized by the strongest as being the best. You cannot dictate uniform rules simply because different people have different cultures, different traditions, different ways of living. But the strongest ones do not care. It just has to be accepted as a fact.

International law does not exist in essence, it is just a facade which can be changed to suit them, if "supporters" of international law need to violate it, they will quietly do this if they have enough power to do so.

I agree that it is stupid to talk about the policies of different countries from the perspective of good and evil. Each state has its own interests in the global arena. But if this state will lead on the global arena, it will dictate its terms of being on this arena.

And here the question already arises "what would be if?"
What would have happened if the Nazis had won and dictated their terms of being on this stage? Or the communists? Or the classical liberals? I don't know the answer to these questions, but I think that depending on a regime that spread their version of globalism to the entire world was a serious difference for the entire population of people.

Right now the world is ruled by left-liberals some of them are increasingly drawn to authoritarian practices in their countries. This was especially evident against the backdrop of covid events. But still there is even a large isolationist camp in U.S. politics right now. Generally no one listens to them, but nevertheless sometimes such things as withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan happen (although this is a bad example because the withdrawal was too abrupt, and immediately after that the Taliban took over and restored totalitarian order) Or even now supplies under the lend-lease from the U.S. are not carried out, although lend-lease was approved over a year ago, there is still no supply, and ukraine is suffering from it. Trump was a better isolationist than Biden with his 'America First" politics. But the elites didn't like it and the media removed him. So here and there are still some isolationist practices from some of the leaders. These factors still give us the right to think that this is not the worst version of globalism.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Here, in the West, China and Russia are allied.

Yesterday there was a meeting of the United Nations in which a resolution on Russia was adopted. The UN resolution on Russian aggression against Ukraine and Georgia, 122 countries in particular China, and even pro-Russian Kazakhstan, India, Armenia, Turkey, and Brazil voted to support the resolution.

What kind of alliance are we talking about if one ally recognizes the other as an aggressor?

Edit: The funny thing is that before the war in Ukraine, the UN assessed Georgia's actions in the 2008 war differently, and that Georgia started the aggression first, while russia's retaliatory actions were too harsh.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Tue 2 May 2023, 08:09.

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