Quote from Racer X NZ :

Here, in the West, China and Russia are allied.

Yesterday there was a meeting of the United Nations in which a resolution on Russia was adopted. The UN resolution on Russian aggression against Ukraine and Georgia, 122 countries in particular China, and even pro-Russian Kazakhstan, India, Armenia, Turkey, and Brazil voted to support the resolution.

What kind of alliance are we talking about if one ally recognizes the other as an aggressor?

Edit: The funny thing is that before the war in Ukraine, the UN assessed Georgia's actions in the 2008 war differently, and that Georgia started the aggression first, while russia's retaliatory actions were too harsh.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Tue 2 May 2023, 08:09.

current progress on widebodys

I don't have a strong opinion for or against reverse engineering on LFS code. But I just want to make a point for the sake of having a reasoned discussion.

As far as I understand, having free reverse engineering helps developers of third-party software to help players. Tweak and LFS Lazy are just the most famous of them. As far as I understand these programs are not forbidden and they are not cheats (if tweek is used on specialized servers) There can be many such programs, by analogy with Asseta Corsa where there are third-party applications for things that the developers did not provide. But there are special conditions for such applications.

For example in IRacing in nascar series some players use additional program that in interface makes visualization of cars from sides, that helps in the race with a small fov. Usually it is more convenient than mirrors, or voice bot-spotter or look sideways on the button. In LFS Lazy we have something similar. I think its good that being able to do something similar in LFS by reverse engineering.

I also sometimes lost my progress when I accidentally pushed ESC or clicked on X. I would like to have warnings if changes have been made.

Live on stream now - Creating Nissan 400Z Drift version mod for LFS

https://youtu.be/daSrTK3GSLE

Live on stream now - Creating Nissan 400Z Drift version mod for LFS

https://youtu.be/K9HX4nOXI5k

And I already made one part of one of the body kits in the second part of the stream.

I had thoughts of making a drift version of the Nissan Z even after the end of the main version N.400S, but then I switched to the GT4 version. But after the release of the news that George Chivchan is also building a Nissan Z to participate in the RDS GP, I wanted to finish this mod faster. Now I want to make a detailed drift version with several body kit configurations.
Now plans as a minimum 2 widebody kits configuration. Of course, all of these bodykits should widen the car equally.

One widebody Chris Forsberg



The second I found on the Internet and I liked the way it looks



the third will probably be what Gocha chooses, and the fourth maybe just I make my design.
Perhaps in the future I will make configurations so detailed that they will replicate the interior of the real car Chris Forsberg, George Chivchan, etc.

A show by German director Tom Tykwer that combines the genres of detective, thriller, and melodrama and is done in an almost noir style. It has everything we've once heard about, like a magician pulling a textbook rabbit out of a cylinder, Tom Tykwer pulls out our own memories from the universal base of the "collective unconscious" by telling the story. Berlin - 1929. This is the time in which the most terrible regime in history was formed, but for some reason many people forget that even under this regime there were exactly the same people who lived in the same way like we do.

The period between the two world wars, known by historians as the Interbellum period, is a crucial and often even decisive period in the development of many countries, usually associated with serious social, cultural and economic changes. Of course, such a controversial period in world history is often reflected in popular culture, including such genres as television crime dramas. In the U.S., this period was the era of Prohibition, brilliantly reproduced in Underground Empire. The English had their critically acclaimed "Sharper Veils". Now Germany has its own TV project, masterfully transporting the viewer into the era of the "Roaring Twenties".

Communists, nationalists, prostitutes, policemen - a motley circle of glitter and poverty, where the latter is countless times greater than the former - people looking for any job, agreeing to anything, selling out without restraint. A nation standing at the very edge of a precipice into the abyss, but not yet realizing that it dances and sings in the last moments before the grandiose fall into the deafening abyss is mesmerizing.

This story is not so much about politics and detective investigations at all as it is about people. This series is like peeking through a keyhole at a life that was, beaten, loved and hated, but now remains only in old, yellowed photos and music.

The atmosphere of the era is something. I've always had a weakness for that 'golden age of jazz', as in 'The Great Gatsby', and with a European accent this era becomes even more appealing. Poverty neighbors with ostentatious luxury, gunfire in the streets makes you think of the trenches of the recent war, the rooms in the bars, where art is closely intertwined with pornography and prostitution, is generally delightful! Anyone who is partial to anything pretentious should take a closer look at this series.

Another plus is the wonderful actors. I've never heard of Volker Bruch and Liv Lisa Fries before, but they play first class, and just watch them enjoyable. I would like to give special mention, of course, to our actors who were invited to play Russian roles. The result is normal Russian speech, and not 'где ваши доказательства" (what's your proof - it became a meme in terms of voice acting for Russian). That's great.

Perhaps you want to discuss a movie, TV series, cartoon or anime you watched, a book you read, or any other piece of culture.

Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :

The fact is that I communicate with foreign players mainly only in LFS and discord servers dedicated to the game.
I see how the level of xenophobia and discrimination against Russians has increased many times. I often see people saying "I hate Russians", "Russian monkeys" and so on.
As an absolutist of the right to freedom of speech, I want to give these people a platform to speak out, to understand what led them to this, and why they have such positions. So that they could express their positions in detail and meaningfully without insults and excessive emotions, so that a meaningful discussion could be born.

You might think I'm exaggerating the scale of the problem.
But even if you look outside the context of the LFS, purely on YouTube I sometimes watch content on the type of prank in the omegle. And the authors of these channels are sometimes Russians. And over the last year a lot of people just get mad if they understand that you're Russian, start insulting and stuff like that.

Even on LFS events its same way, ands maybe even more, during the last year I participated in only a few events.
And then I have seen this behavior in the PiranMOTO events (in which we participated quite successfully), or at the last Soccar Cup, (which we were able to win), as well as yesterday on the Born To Race event, (but in the long race I still do not have enough skill😄)
Yesterday it was during races practice, but in the race itself he did not participate, I tried to calm down this guy and told him that he would speak out here on this thread, but for some reason there is still nothing. I hope he will speak out. I often see such comments on the servers, but when it comes to what would be a reasoned conversation on the forum for some reason here I see nothing here. More or less here everyone is sympathetic to the problem. And if its not, then they just do not answer😠

It is important to understand that I am against that these people were banned or somehow cancelled. I just want these people to start reasonable talking.

Quote from sidneymoore :

It is also important to note that Russia's model of governance and behavior may not be acceptable to some.

If you mean conservatism, then I can agree, there can be cultural and traditional differences in different societies. Which are important to respect and not violate (as modern liberals like to do).

But if you mean totalitarianism, autocracy, absolute limitation of rights and freedoms. Then no, that's where you're wrong. I believe that all people have the right to be free, and have some inalienable rights and are entitled to liberty.

Quote from sidneymoore :

I believe its all to do with politics why this war started. Its all a bit cloudy, but the USA were involved with ukraines independance, and if the agreement wasnt broken, war would not have started.

Yes, as I said before there are three sides to this conflict, in addition to Russia and Ukraine, there is also the West, led by the United States. All of these parties are doing the wrong things. The expansion of Nato in violation of agreements, supplying Ukraine and sponsoring the right-wing radicals was a provocation for russia. And many other things that are too long to list. Most likely the U.S. wanted to make an anti-Russian government in Ukraine and start a military conflict, (as is happening now in Taiwan) But Russia fell for this provocation, instead of acting smarter.

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do you see lots of ladas in russia? a bit off topic but i just wanted to ask

On the streets they go quite a few, if in small towns and villages, they are found there more often. The interesting thing about Ladas is the motorsport, they still participate in many competitions and for example in drifting. In winter drifting, they are generally considered the best car because they are light and the engine is just enough to effectively push road studded wheels on the ice. In the largest winter drift championship in the world - "Winter Drift Battle" (on stages reaches 100 participants and more from different countries) Lada is considered as unbeatable. And therefore there 98% of Ladas although any rear-wheel drive cars can participate.

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Quote from Scawen :

All I can really say at this point is don't worry, I'm on it.

I'm glad to hear that

Quote from three_jump :

I doubt this is as easy as it sounds. Scawen has stated multiple times, that his dev version and the public lfs version have drifted apart quite a lot. I doubt he want's to re-implement the old tire code and open another can of worms to make that work when the other option is working on the newer physics and getting those ready. In hindsight some other approach would probably have been better, but I doubt that he expected to work on that aspect of the physics/game on and off for a decade.

Some update would be nice, but I don't expect it. We all know by now where this is heading. If something big happens you'll get some kind of notification and until then you can do something else (like taking part in leagues )

You probably don't understand what I mean. Skawen said, about two-tree years ago, that the tire version under development can already be raced, but it still needs to be worked on, and Skawen is working on it now. But looks like it's as if something is preventing that. And maybe some testing from players and getting feedback might give some ideas and will help in the development.
All I suggest is to publish the current under development version as a test patch (or test version if it need to be installed from scratch) and work with it from there. As far as I understand, it doesn't require to re-implement old tire code or somethink like that.

Sadly, reports now appear much less frequently. If it used to be once a week, scheduled on a daily basis. Now it's once every few months. I understand that scawen is also working on another test patch with minor fixes, and LFS Editor.
In theory, LFS Editor can be updated endlessly until it becomes similar to Blender or 3D Max and then surpass them. But even without that we can work in it. But shouldn't the main version (with physics and graphics) be the priority of development?

I don't know exactly what's really going on, but from the outside it looks like progress on tire physics isn't happening at this time. I understand that this is not an easy thing to do.
As I understand the topic of multitrading, 1khz physics, graphics and track updates are pretty much done, and it looks like all that's left is the physics of the tires. And if tire physics is at a standstill, maybe it would be better to release a test patch with current version of tire physics what is there to collect feedback from players who will compare the current physics to the new physics. And maybe this can somehow help further development and release a full-fledged update.

Its possible that im wrong and is already progress in the physics of tires that we do not yet know about and we needed only to wait.

I do not make complaints to anyone, I understand that the game is working only two people. Just im joke on April Fool's Day for the 3rd year with same joke in my social networking group dedicated to Lfs (with 6k subs), that the new update with graphics and physics is already out. And many believe me. Third year in a row. And it's kinda sad.

Quote from dfgjkl :

To be honest, I don't know who the Levada Center is.

Well, for your with that level of knowledge of Russian reality this is not surprising.

Quote from dfgjkl :

Detail fell for the "unbiased opinion" same as you, when you fit in for him when he mentioned the ovalny.

This is literally a lie. Whats wrong with you? When you admit that you were wrong it means that "fit in for him"?

Quote from dfgjkl :

Also Detail wrote about "Левада-центр ни разу не вляпался в платные и фальсифицированные опросы"
A quick search turned up the opposite. Detail lied!

Are you familiar with the principle of implication? Probably not... your research showed that you found the Levada Center to be a foreign agent. How does the fact that the Levada Center is recognized as a foreign agent mean that the Levada Center conducted paid and falsified polls? Why don't you understand that A doesn't imply B...
The status of a foreign agent in Russia is given to anyone, including a private person, if you say things that do not coincide with Russian propaganda. Therefore, this status is often a mark of quality of this person or organization.

And before that I wrote "it's strange that if the Levada Center is supposedly an independent organization, then why isn't it attacked by the Russian state", (it means it works for the Russian state), and you proved me wrong and it is being attacked so that means it dosent working for Russian state. At the same time, the Levada Center shows a high percentage of people who support the war, just like the Russian state WCIOM organization. So if you think that the Levada Center is lying you think that the level of support for the war is lower, which means that the Russian state WCIOM is aslo lying.

Quote from dfgjkl :

So yes, the Levada Center is lying.

You haven't cited a single piece of evidence to prove this, so you're just a windbag.

Quote from dfgjkl :

Not only are you bad with sarcasm, but also with context.
And yes, foreign-sponsored surveys cannot be considered unbiased or legitimate.

This is not sarcasm. And the results of the Levada Center are roughly the same as the results of the state service WCIOM surveys.
So you don't believe that about 80% of the people support the war? You think there are fewer of them? Well, that's your opinion.
Or do you think that the Levada Center and the Russian state organization WCIOM surveys are lying?

Quote from dfgjkl :

In 2016, the organization was given the status of a "foreign agent". The Levada Center violated the federal law “On Foreign Agents” because since 2012 it has received more than $120,000 from the United States fulfilling orders for the US Department of Defense.

Considering the results of the surveys, you gave a good argument in favor of the fact that the conduct of sociological surveys by Levada-Center is indeed unbiased.

Quote from detail :

Давай я тебе доходчивее по-русски объясню. Во-первых, я 40 лет прожил в России, ходил на кучу протестов -- и в 12 году, и в 21-м, когда ментов было больше нас. Стоял с агитацией за навальнистов (общался с сотней прохожих в день и мнения их были примерно те, что описывает Гудков), писал программы кандидатам в мэры, когда ещё оставались выборы. Так что я достаточно знаю про политику и общественное мнение.

Окей, был не прав. Я забираю свои слова о том что ты не жил в России, но для меня твои слова о опросах звучат удивительно..

Quote from detail :

Что касается нечестности -- есть такая вещь как проф.репутация, и за 40 лет Левада-центр ни разу не вляпался в платные и фальсифицированные опросы. Гос-социологи, конечно, задают вопросы манипулятивно, но речь не о них.

И что ты хочешь этим сказать? Что Левада-центр это независимая организация которая проводит опросы честно в сегодняшней России? Ты серьезно веришь в это? Сколько еще в России ты знаешь каких либо независимых организаций которые работают в России с общественным мнением. В медиа например, или социологических? То что Левада-центр никуда не вляпался за 40 лет для меня звучит как аргумент против их репутации. Любые независимые организации которые имеют какой то вес, и к которым прислушиваются подвергаются нападкам.

Quote from detail :

Что касается социологов, "всё в порядке, всё честно" -- ну да, "всей правды мы не узнаем". С таким подходом как ты веришь например тому ролику, что приводишь сам?

Если ты про NFKRZ то он в своём ролике просто рассказал про 3 показательных случая угнетения свобод в России. Во что тут верить? Каждые из этих случаев можно проверить. И более того читая новости я и сам на них натыкался, и на другие подобные вещи.

Quote from detail :

Ты следуешь логике Шендеровича, который с дивана из-за границы считает, что в РФ "нет социологии". И ты так и не понял, кто такой Гудков и Левада-центр, если называешь его "человеком из системы".

Не смотрю Шендеровича, не знаю о чем он говорит. Окей, давай предположим, что чисто теоретически Левада-центр действительно не врет. Хотя я не согласен с этим. Как это отменяет первые два пункта, о том что люди в целом врут, особенно при таких режимах и о том что большинство опрашиваемых не поддерживающих войну просто бы даже не стали отвечать на вопросы? Сам себя в этой ситуации представь. Мы говорим про систему которая сажает за слова.

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Его статью я привёл, чтобы показать, что он угадал с прогнозом, и его мнение до войны соответствует тому, что после, и он не предрекал "агонии режима" как некоторые говорящие головы.

Ну Гудков просто описал ситуацию с либералами в России, и я с этим в целом согласен, но там ничего удивительного нет. Авторитарная система будет сильнее разрозненного протестного движения, не надо быть гением что бы понять это. Даже куда более сильные протесты в Беларуси это показали. По результатам которых видимо и была написана статья.
Гудков это все еще апелляция к авторитету. Аристович например войну предсказал, и что это значит? Что он херни говорить не будет? Нет.

Quote from detail :

Расходимся мы вот в чём: ты утверждаешь, что люди не поддерживают войну.

Я так не говорил. Я говорю о том что в данной тоталитарной системе мы не можем точно знать сколько людей войну не поддерживает. Я даже не уверен что её не поддерживает большинство. Но мы этого знать не можем. Чисто по моим наблюдениям это примерно равные три части, кто против, кто за, и "кто не разбирается и ему всё равно" что уже часто является обычной отговоркой для тех кто не хочет озвучивать свою позицию, хотя возможно им действительно всё равно. Но, возможно это чисто моё окружение. Плюс провинциальный город. И у меня нет какой то точной статистики. Так что это тоже по сути ничего не значит.

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Гудков и я считаем, что они пассивно её поддерживают.

А это что значит? Молчание знак согласия? Если мы говорим чисто про их истинные убеждения, ты уверен что можешь так говорить о людях в России которые живут при этом режиме?

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They do suport it. Sociology is true...

Apparently you do not live in Russia, which explains a lot. It's funny that when you disagree with my position, you don't offer any counterarguments. You just say no "that's not true"... and what do you expect me to argue with? Am I supposed to answer "no it's not true"? And then we're supposed to throw poop at each other?

Quote from detail :

Pollsters who do these polls, know their job very well -- they do test their questions for bias, they did make different questions to detect different sentiment.

Yes, you're right.. in Russia everything is so fair and correct, sociologists do unbiased surveys, and the police know how to catch criminals, judges know how to punish defendants fairly. Officials in russia know how to take care of citizens and of course they don't take bribes...



Sorry, maybe you put it strangely, but from the outside it looks like you don't know anything about Russia...

Quote from detail :

The argument that Russians are afraid of answering to polls, is a projection of intellectuals.

That's not what I said.

There are at least 3 factors in the fallacy of the poll results in Russia.

1. People with disagreeable opinions will refuse to take the poll. (Fear is one factor in this, most likely the deciding one, but not the only)
2. If people agree to take the survey, they may lie. (All people lie, even in relatively free societies. And they lie even more in authoritarian societies)
3. Faking or manipulating the results. ( Tampering with any results in Russia is common, both with elections and state sociology.)

Each of the three factors affects polling in Russia. And it is obvious to me why.

You haven't given a convincing argument as to why this or that is wrong. Maybe I misunderstood something, and if you have better arguments, I can agree.

Authoritarian societies are characterized by the things I wrote about above. I can't understand what your point is, that Russia is not an authoritarian state? Or that in spite of the fact that Russia is an authoritarian state, why does it drown in things that are characteristic of authoritarian states? Or what?
Lack of reasoning does not bring understanding to your position.

Quote from detail :

Working class and people without degree (that's ~66% of population) don't see the world like a 1984 story and aren't that paranoid. Pollsters say they often started to speak more to them, and those who oppose the official position too.

If you mean higher education (bachelor's degree) as it is called in russia then many of the working class in Russia have degrees, such as designers, engineers, technologists, and so on. Almost all such specialties require a higher education degree. Except for some janitors, cashiers, and so forth. And only those who do not have it 35% So it looks like your figure is taken from the ceiling. As we say in Russia.

And it’s not clear why you decided to take my separate take about the 1984 novel and pass it off as the universal position of all Russians or something, and as if passing it off as my position, you are replacing concepts, I didn’t talk about it. It's called the straw man fallacy.
I spoke about George Ourell's novel as an example to clarify my position .. If you ask 10 Russians what is happening in Russia, you can get 10 different answers. But this does not mean that, for example, most of them will not agree with certain aspects. for example, about the extremely high level of authoritarianism in Russia.
And for some reason you have decided that this part of the population "don't see the world like a 1984 story and aren't that paranoid" I doubt that there was a poll on this particular topic, but even if there had been, it does not invalidate what I said about false statistics based on polls in Russia.

Quote from detail :

Here's good article on this wishful thinking (you may try translating it with Google) written before the war by sociologist Lev Gudkov, who has been making polls since 1980s, and an interview with him. (Another one in English.)

First of all, referring to authority is not an argument.
Second, you don't seem to have read the article yourself, most of it talks about the failure of liberalism in Russia and explains the background and why it happened. Which I mostly agree with. But it is not clear why you referred to it here. I certainly can't call myself a liberal in the modern sense.
You don't need any articles to make an argument, they may be needed in an argument except to prove factual things.
Third, my native language is Russian...because I was born, raised and still live in Russia. I thought that the flag next to the name should be clear but you referred to the article in Russian and you suggest using an translator...

And if you wanted to make an argument about wishful thinking, then why can't I say the same for you? It's your lack of argument here. I am only talking about things that are characteristic of authoritarian and in particular totalitarian systems.


I like to study the history of my country (and not only), philosophy, and geopolitics. And I diligently avoid falling under any kind of propaganda. So yes.. I have some understanding of what is going on in my country.

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There's a big debate among sociologists on whether or not they make questions correctly, and what kind of bias the methods have. So any layman's claim that this is just "not true" is just a sign of total ignorance. Like a football fan believing he knows better how to coach a team.

I agree, but it doesn't change what I said.

let's raise the level of discussion and after some thesis we will give arguments to this thesis so that it would be clear what we are talking about.

My argument is simple, Russia at the moment is an authoritarian and in many ways a totalitarian country, and what happens in such regimes is characteristic of such regimes. And the main thing is silence, people who do not agree are silent, because they can do nothing else if they do not want to fill the prisons. And Fear of the part of the population that understands the situation. But not only to that part of the population. The lack of rights and freedoms, too, is objectively visible to everyone, and if you are faced with a state in the form of the police or judicial system, then no one can expect justice, and most people understand this. Brainwashing also plays a role. So does the torture system in prisons. And the police state built by Putin which is ready to meet anyone even on a solitary picket.
The silovik in Russia is not the protector of citizens, but the owner of the monopoly of violence, ready to use this violence at any time. i mean we've literally gotten to the point where people are put in jail for making jokes. Fear is understandable, because authoritarianism is based on fear.

All this is a background that forms a special atmosphere. And shapes people. And then there is not just a question of when a person lies or tells the truth. But also, for example, when a person lies to himself.

And I don’t understand why you think that people from this system will decently do work that will show them wrong. It is likely that honest sociological surveys of the population are also being conducted, but if so, then they are not public.

I often hear about the 80% of the Russians supporting the war. And for those who do not live in Russia it is difficult to explain why this sociology is not true.

There is an English-speaking Russian on YouTube who left Russia after the start of the war, who explains to a Western audience about the same thing that I am trying to explain in my posts. This is great stuff if you want to understand what is really going on in Russia.

Just one of the videos as an example.


Imagine yourself as the hero of a 1984 novel (I highly recommend you read it if you haven't already) imagine that people from the Ministry of Truth are approaching you for a sociological survey and want to know your opinion about government of your contry. Do you even want to answer them? Will you tell them the truth? And even if you say they will pass your answer to the statistics in an honest way?

Many Western people do not understand what a totalitarian society is. And how ridiculous are their questions about "why the Russians are not protesting?" .. (And in general we protest, as we can..) Why didn't you ask yourself why the North Koreans are not protesting? It is the same..

I was lucky to be born in the relatively free 90s, where there was some kind of freedom of speech and freedom of the press, but not now. In the last 10 years authoritarianism has become so strong in Russia that put roots in all spheres of human life. Which pours on you like from a bucket from a TV, radio, newspapers, from the Internet, from a place of work, from a university, from school, and even from kindergarten.. Which simply cannot be ignored. And there are only two ways: either he will break you and you will accept the situation and become who you are told to become, or you will resist to the end the imposition on you of how you need to think, how you need to speak, how you need to live and how you need to die. And even in this situation, many still resist.

I have a suggestion (If it's not hard to do) to make visible the tire surface temperature (with tire inner layer temperature) and pressure level with value as it was in earlier versions. For example, if you could do something like the picture, so tire surface temperature on top and tire inner layer temperature on bottom, that would be cool. It is important not to block the tread layer to see the wear.

By default, F9 shows the temperature of the inner layer of tire rubber, but many players do not know this, and do not know that LFS has a function to view the temperature of the tire surface on ctrl+shift on F9 screen, and this is very important, especially if you want to analyze the tire heating in each corner and how you need to turn for better temp, or how fast tire cooling on straight, inner layer of tire temp not that much informative, it can help in the tactics in the race.

In addition, it is not convenient to press ctrl+shift in corners to watch the changes in the tire surface temperature.

From my experience about 95% (or even more) of the players do not know that there is a tire surface temperature in LFS and inner too on ctrl+shift, or rather they believe that this is surface temperature is shown in f9 and there is only that.. So it's a little confusing.

Edit: alternatively just make a switch button instead of holding a button. But then we need to make an explanation for when we see the temperature of the outer layer and when we see the temperature of the inner layer otherwise you can get confused.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Thu 23 Mar 2023, 09:01.

Quote from Scawen :

I'm asking more about the layout and information format.

Would this do the job? I'm not sure about "1L" and "AV". My intention is to replace the @ symbol with either a fuel tank or battery.

Looks good, Imao fuel tank icon is more intuitive, If there will be a battery, you can think about the ignition and 12v battery in case of ICE cars (which the absolute majority in the LFS), it would be ideal if the icon would change depending on the selected EV/ICE car.

Quote from AtomAnt :

I wasn't thinking my best. point taken.

No problem, better join the discussion if you have an opinion on it.

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Ant Here...I hate Taller people..
But feel free to get back to your discussion of others peoples lives..

I don't quite understand why you're being ironic here. Are you a biological determinist or something?

We discuss cause and effect, why this or that happened, and how it led to the current situation. And we constructively argue about this. And personally, I also try to understand the big picture and the global geopolitical situation. What's wrong with that?