Quote from stuntguy3000 :

no its not lfslapper its the old lc insim as a base

Exactly what I was pointing out.
By the way, remember: You are using LFS_External. This way much more people will understand you, instead of saying "old lc insim".

LFS_External != LFSLapper

The open source Lc InSim app that was posted the last time was using LFS_External. And as I said - it's pretty obvious on there how to get a input* button. All you have to do is play a little with the CreateButton function.

Last edited by broken, Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:57. Reason : Typo

Yeah, well what about people that insult admins personally? I know a few good drivers in the times when OsR was up and running. Each complaint was dealt with instantly, because we did not have as many users, and still, some people(even some of the "good drivers") kept saying that we are doing a very bad job in administrating(and no, i will not be mentioning any (user/nick)names). It gets frustrating for admins too. I got my own things to do and missing 1 or 2 accidents does not necessarily mean that the server is not well managed. True - we had only 1 trained and really serious person(Rep), but every thing was dealt instantly, when we did have the chance. When there are no admins there has always been the reports section in the forums, but no one ever used that anyway.

Also in the times when I was actively working on the insim app. I was again blamed for not doing good in administration, and really - Rep was responsible for track problems, while I was responsible for the progress of the insim app. And I do dare to claim that this person knew that, because he had been racing many times in the server before, and because of the fact he is clean in most of the time we have saved him a lot of arguing and stuff when he has done wrong things.

That's why admins and users get tired of each other so fast. A user goes in a server - gets banned, because of an admin who is already fed up of dealing with his server. Then the user, fed up from bad administration goes into a server, and when he sees the slightest mistake in the admins, he starts blaming them. Then we have another fed up user and another fed up admin. I am not really fed up already, because I had set this as a rule - Not to take action against people who say their opinion(no matter good or bad) about the server or about the management(and it worked out pretty well on my mental status, when I knew that this is what I want and what would give the users freedom and of course I secretly hoped to give the server a little better name). But some people saw that nothing happens when they say something, and abused their right of free speech. And you know, I'm cool now, but if OsR was still up, I'd probably be sick of every new user, before they even join the race.

That's the completed chain of LFS admins and users. It's not in the admins or the users. It's in the stinky bags, that join the servers and cause this, and they have to be removed before the smell spreads, but sadly removing bag after bag makes your hands smelly, and washing them too often gets annoying, after which you most likely become a stinky bag too(If you get what I'm saying here).

Quote from stuntguy3000 :

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How do i get something like that?

What open source project are you using as base for your insim app?
Have you made your own?

When you ask a question:
1. Check for other similar threads;
2. Provide as much details as you can;
3. It would be good if you provide source code of a similar action, so other people can give you more correct answers.

And insim.txt says it. Also in case you are using LFS_External as a base - it's awfully obvious there.

All you have to do is put some effort in it yourself.

Thanks for the spam, mate.

Quote from PioneerLv :

It's good to see more BMW here.

Yeah, too bad it's not in the condition, it was when I took those pics.

In case you are wondering what I'm talking about - Well, the holes on the roads in my country(Bulgaria). Or should I say craters. Even on the highway, lol!

Correct, it's 316

Here's my love.

Quote from joebob4441 :

yeah i am or am i? you will never no!!!!

You're a dead man, but you already know that.

Quote from joebob4441 :

Dont download it!!! Its a virus!!!!!

Huh.. Are you serious? I'm gonna remove the attachment then, and scan the file..

Version 1.0.1 uploaded. All that is done is that the MySql reference is removed and so is the dbProcess class.

Ok, so.. I got really bored and decided to finally upload one of the 3 projects that I had decided to share.

The story(you can sure skip this part if you are not interested ): Well, at 1st this was going to be a paid project. One guy started talking to me in msn at the start of 2010(or maybe the end of 2009, you know I don't remember much of the things around new year time). He offered me $30 or something like that if I would make him an insim app. I kind of agreed, but then in the same time like new year luck I got busy with a lot of other projects, and kind of left this one behind. It stood there in the folder untouched for days, which then became weeks and after these other projects I decided that I don't have enough time for it, because I am still working on some of them, and there are more planned so yeah. Then a few weeks ago I just saw that this cruise app is the biggest project I have taken since the start of the year and in the same time the least paid one. After that I decided that it isn't worth continuing on with it, and here I am, getting rid of it.
That's pretty much it - long story short(well not very short, but still :razz.

Something kind of important for all the people that will download this: I can not guarantee that this will work instantly. I just archived the whole project, as I had left it a couple of months ago, so it might need some doing, so don't be surprised if it just refuses to work. Also I'm quite busy and I won't be able to help on it very much, and I will be answering only in this thread(just saying in case someone decides to flood my inbox with questions).
[E] Ah, yes, something I forgot: In order for this to work on your server, you have to change this line in Form1.cs(and compile after that):

Where you have to replace "localhost" with the IP address of your server; "29999" with the port of your server; "password" with the admin password and if you want to give it a name, change "^1Unnamed" to whatever you want.

Big thanks to:
T-RonX for LFS_External, which is used as the main base for this project;
DarkTimes for InSimSniffer, from which I stole a few things ;
morpha for helping me with the licensing and much more stuff;
dougie-lampkin for Open Source Cruise Server, from which I have learned the basics of C#.

License:

Quote :

Copyright 2010 Loran Mutafov

This license governs use of the accompanying software ("Software"), and your use of the Software constitutes acceptance of this license.

You may use the Software for any noncommercial purpose, including distributing derivative works.

In return, we simply require that you agree:

1. Not to remove any copyright or other notices from the Software.

2. That if you distribute the Software you do so only under this license (i.e. you must include a complete copy of this license with your distribution), and if you distribute the Software solely in object form you only do so under a license that complies with this license.

3. That re-distribution as well as distribution of your derivative works has to include the source code.

4. That the Software comes "as is", with no warranties. None whatsoever. This means no express, implied or statutory warranty, including without limitation, warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose or any warranty of title or non-infringement. Also, you must pass this disclaimer on whenever you distribute the Software or derivative works.

5. That no contributor to the Software will be liable for any of those types of damages known as indirect, special, consequential, or incidental related to the Software or this license, to the maximum extent the law permits, no matter what legal theory it's based on. Also, you must pass this limitation of liability on whenever you distribute the Software or derivative works.

6. That your rights under this License end automatically if you breach it in any way.

7. That all rights not expressly granted to you in this license are reserved.

[E]: Attachment removed. Scanning it to see if it does not contain a virus.
[E2]: Attachment will be added again soon. The scan has been completed and the file seems to be clean.

Last edited by broken, Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:51.

Well, I'm about to post an open source cruise insim app soon in the forums, and I'll try not to forget to send you a pm when I do so. It is made from LFS_External and it's (surprisignly, knowing who has made it) really stable. But it's kind of basic too. I don't remember if it even saves the stats in to a database, but I guess it does, cause I saw my dbProccess file when I last looked in the directory.

And it's one of my latest C# applications, so it has the most of my C# knowledge. But honestly, it's still very lame, cause I never learned C# right, I just know my way around things.. You know, like when there's a shortcut, but you take the freeway, cause it's safer and you know you won't get lost.

Quote from Corey-21 :

whats that meant to mean?

It's meant to be the answer of your question. Or more like request. But I don't understand how is that not obvious?

case "!sell":
if (StrMsg.Length == 2)
{
if (StrMsg[1].ToUpper() == "UF1")
{
InSim.Send_MTC_MessageToConnection("^1Noone wants to buy your old wreck!", MSO.UCID, 0);
return;
}

if (Connections[GetConnIdx(MSO.UCID)].Cars.Contains(StrMsg[1].ToUpper()))
{
if (Dealer.GetCarPrice(StrMsg[1].ToUpper()) > 0)
{
string UserCars = Connections[GetConnIdx(MSO.UCID)].Cars;
int IdxCar = UserCars.IndexOf(StrMsg[1].ToUpper());
try { Connections[GetConnIdx(MSO.UCID)].Cars = Connections[GetConnIdx(MSO.UCID)].Cars.Remove(IdxCar, 4); }
catch { Connections[GetConnIdx(MSO.UCID)].Cars = Connections[GetConnIdx(MSO.UCID)].Cars.Remove(IdxCar, 5); }
Connections[GetConnIdx(MSO.UCID)].Cash += Dealer.GetCarValue(StrMsg[1].ToUpper());
InSim.Send_MST_Message("/msg ^7 " + Connections[GetConnIdx(MSO.UCID)].PlayerName + " ^7sold " + StrMsg[1].ToUpper());
}
else InSim.Send_MTC_MessageToConnection("^1Invalid car selection", MSO.UCID, 0);
}
else InSim.Send_MTC_MessageToConnection("^1You dont own that car", MSO.UCID, 0);
}
else
{
InSim.Send_MTC_MessageToConnection("^7 Invalid command. Please see ^2!help^7 for a command list", MSO.UCID, 0);
}
break;

Quote from NunoMike :

Honestly, I believe the actual Demo is perfect.

I bought S2 because I wanted more. The 3 cars and BL1/2 didn't satisfied me anymore, since I was fed up with the track layout, although I didn't master it yet (as I don't now). And with this demo, you get a small taste of every content LFS has, but restricting it to the least: you have a rallycross track for 2 of the cars, you have a FWD, a RWD and a SS car, you have a GP track...

Probably the only restriction I would consider as acceptable for the Demo is the ability to tune the cars...

Restrictions like 30 days, less cars, only one track and stuff will only make the crashers disseminate, newcomers will not taste conveniently LFS and won't get suficiently adicted to buy it.

Very well put.
Totally agree with you.

Now this thread is ready to be closed, because there is no point in keeping it going. I just don't think that there's anything more(except that there is always flaming of course) to be said.

Quote from Reik :

[..]People want new stuff every now and then, a regular driver gets bored quickly. You are an exception, a normal person might not be interested in buying a game that might not be so interesting for him in a longer run.[..]

Where have I said that I'm not enjoying LFS? LFS has been interesting for me for a really long while. Maybe I don't have that much time for it now, but it's still the game on my PC that is opened most often.

If I need to answer the other parts of your posts I will just have to repeat what I already said, and there is no point in that.

And please, stop arguing with me about stuff, that I have never said or even thought about. It's somewhat annoying.

Quote from Reik :

So you're saying that LFS should do the same thing as all the others and not support demoplayers and become one of them?

Where exactly did I say that?

Quote from Reik :

I'm completely happy with what I have at the moment, did I complain about that? No.

Yes, you did: "You already have your own skins, many cars, tracks and leagues. We, the demo racers, only have 3 cars, one/two track(s) and there ain't that many leagues either."

Quote from Reik :

And I'm not saying that demoplayers should have more stuff in the game, you've payed for it so you should have more stuff of course, I've payed for advances too, just not in LFS.

No, you didn't say it. You complained about it.

Quote from Reik :

I'm complaining about people wanting to make a bigger gap between licenced and demoplayers. We don't have that much stuff on demo when compared to the licenced game and still you're wanting more benefits for yourself.

How am I wanting more benefits for myself? Where have I said that?

Quote from Reik :

As for me not buying a licence, I could afford it (seriously, I could), but at the moment I have more important things to do than focus on a racing simulator. It's more of a investment issue, money is not the problem.

Excuse me, but imho having more important things to focus on does in one way mean that you can not afford it. It just depends on what exactly you mean by that.

Quote from Reik :

You know, I understand that LFS is made by only 3 persons, but the game is still developing reallyyyyy slow. Changes are coming every now. I'm not talking just on my behalf, but for a lot of people waiting for a new update for months is impossible. I personally would hire people from the community to help them. I'm sure there are many people here that could help Scavier with something, but they're not using them. However I'm not part of Scavier, and that is not their way of doing things.

So you don't yet have the full game, haven't paid a cent for it and you are complaining about development speed? I'm sorry but that brings me to the thought that it's going to be better for everyone if you just don't buy a license, because I can't imagine what you would do then, when an update gets delayed.

Quote from Reik :

And even paying for a game that has so few tracks and cars compared to others is not convincing for normal people.

20 cars and 29 tracks(the word tracks is not the most appropriate to use here, but you sure do get the point). How is that a few? Also more cars and tracks are expected in the next update, so allow me to just keep myself off from commenting further.

Quote from Reik :

LFS is supported more by people who are interested in realism more than anything, other sims are taking away a big amount of players who are more interested in the fun part of racing.

Describe the part "fun part of racing". I hope you see where I'm heading here.

Quote from Reik :

The big "problem" of LFS is that because it's based so much into realism, developing the game is much slower.

LFS has no problem. If someone does have a problem, then that's the people, who think exactly the same way as you do.

Quote from Reik :

However your statement is irrelevant: I'm sure rFactor is in many peoples mind a better investment, because it is changing due to all the mods. But I'm not gonna start comparing these games.

Which statement? Where have I even mentioned rFactor?
Also different people are allowed to have different tastes and opinions on things.

Quote from Reik :

Giving players time to develop their driving with the demo creates much more professional drivers for S2 and S3. I for example have been very slow before this year when I came back to LFS. I was driving 1:16-1:18 before and now I've started to race more and more seriously and I am driving now low 1:14's at best and mostly mid 1:15's. I'm slowly getting better, and now for the first time I think I could even race against others in S2. Who would buy a game if they know they are not competitive?

I, for example, did buy it and I knew I was not competitive. But in most of the servers people are being very welcoming to new players.

Quote from Reik :

I'd rather see LFS as a great meeting place for excellent racers than a money making soulless corporation (you get the idea) where Sebastian Vettels are driving against Karum Chandhoks

Hm, so LFS should be free then? It might not be soulless, but if you are such an excellent racer go and sign up for some demo race, where the winner gets a license. Oh, yeah, the tricky part is that you have to keep track of the forum, so you don't miss the sign up deadline. I don't get why the devs themselves would want to give away free licenses to people that can make good times on the game they have created.

Quote from Reik :

Demo restriction to a game that isn't even finished? Where is the world going? I agree with the others, none is gonna pay for a game just because their demo time is over. I'm a demo driver, yes, but I should be treated as a humanbeing too. You already have your own skins, many cars, tracks and leagues. We, the demo racers, only have 3 cars, one/two track(s) and there ain't that many leagues either.

I feel for you. You downloaded an alpha release of a game and you're expected to pay? On top of all if you don't pay, you can only have 3 cars and 3 tracks(not even 3, but only 2 tracks and some parking lot). And like this isn't enough, but the developers don't even think of developing something more for the demo users. Yeah, all you get is nothing but updates on the main game engine. And it's so expensive.. It's yet an alpha release and you're supposed to spend like 24pounds on it, while a full finished game costs only like 60 bucks and you get everything it has, and the most important things: You can't expect any changes on it, because it is finished, therefore no surprises and no stupid updates. Yeah, LFS seems to suck in that matter.

Now on a serious note: Is there any other game with better demo support? I mean - giving people the right to even play online in their demo time. And if you want more demo leagues - Organize one yourself, instead of whining that no one else will do it for you. If you don't want to pay for the game - don't. But if you are going to whine that you have far too less content.. Man, I have to ask the same question you asked: Where is this world going? Also, I guess we laugh over you demo users for not having bought the game, or maybe we track you down and beat you, cause I don't get the "treated as a human being too" part.

And if no one is going to pay after their demo time is over, do you think that someone else would actually care about that(some S2 user, or even the devs)? I don't really support the suggestion from the OP, but posts like yours do push me in that direction.

Sorry now for not treating you like a human being in this post, but you were barking like a dog and you got me a little confused there.

I understood that already(:razz, and it's good to obligate them to share the edits, but most of them simply wont, and I was just saying that I realize that.

And I had decided to publish them under GPL even before I had posted in this thread.

I have already decided what to publish it under. That would be GPL (of course :razz.

It's just the perfect solution. And I know that most of the people won't share the changes or whatever, but that's just obvious and I don't really care as long as they don't decide to sell it to someone, while everyone can have it for free.

And yeah, good point about people coming to see what I'm working on, but I won't be online that much now, cause of school, work, and C++(you know, Dygear ).

I am not scared if anyone steals my application(well at least not anymore :razz. It's just that if you want your server to be successful you have to make sure it's unique at first and if you like - release the source(or part of it) after that. Other than that I'd be more than happy to release the source of an application that I don't need to use to make my server more unique than others. But the fact is that I haven't written* anything like that yet.

And yeah, I've used the OsR's InSim app enough to make the server somewhat popular and now I'm just waiting for the right time to release the source of it(that is when I make sure that I have more free time to 1st - improve it and 2nd - answer the questions that people may have). Well actually there's something more to that plan - When I post the source of OsR, I will no longer have any successful C# projects to work on and I will be able to spend more time on learning C++.

And I have another question, while we are still on that subject: Should I post the cruise app I had made? It's AWFULLY messy, AWFULLY wasteful and it's not even working, because I stopped working on it before I had finished re-organizing the file system of it. On top of all that - There is a serious load of commented out code, that's been bad(or f***ed up) but I needed as base to improve it AND a few unfinished systems. But if we leave that aside - the chase system of it is really good, but it may as well confuse the hell out of you till you get how it's working(it happens to me every time I haven't made a change from more than a month); the HUD system is also really good, and it makes sure that it doesn't throw a guest out by sending too much buttons(that happens with a button delay, which I'm sure that can be definitely improved, because I have an idea how that can happen); There are tons of commands; There can be Cadets/Officers/FBI Agents/CIA Agents; The stats of users get saved in a database and it has a good db-failure protection(in case the database server is down, it keeps running, and when it comes back - users that have been in the server all the time notice no change, but the ones connected while the db has been down get their stats added to the ones they've made while in the server till the time of successful connection.. But the minus is that if you disconnect while the database is down your stats aren't saved);; And something kind of neutral(not bad but not good either) - The ability to steal a car.. But if you fail, there's an awful fine - 1/5 of the car's actual price iirc.. There are many more things but the post would be too big if I write about all of them.

In case you forgot the question by now : Should I post the source of a (basically) non-working application? And is it worth it - I know that someone will fix it, and if I'm lucky - upload it back in the same thread, but before that there could be lots of flaming(and idc if they flame me, but this community has the awful habbit to flame everyone, who is even a bit less into things(or informed if you like) than them(well not all the people from the community of course, but like 50% of the active ones do)... not to mention what happens if someone asks a silly question)..

And I have to say that I fully agree with what you said, but if we had this conversation a few months earlier, I might have not fully agreed.. You will see from the protection code for the cruise app if I post its source.

Last edited by broken, Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:41.

Quote from DarkTimes :

Or make it open-source to begin with.

I wouldn't recommend that to a coder who is just beginning to learn.

I'm afraid to post the source of my racing app too, not because the app itself might spread(yeah, I know, I just said the obvious :P), but because I realize that the code is really... really wasteful, and it might and probably would give some bad habits to new coders. But then again, you have to start somewhere I guess.

Or maybe you just misunderstood.
Here is the whole snippet:

InSim.Send_BTN_CreateButton("^6Welcome to the ^7Bank", Flags.ButtonStyles.ISB_DARK, 8, 40, 25, 80, 211, Players[GetPlyIdx(MCI.Info[i].PLID)].UniqueID, 2, false);

If you are unsure of the people you lead a server with, and you are the coder then make sure you add some sort of protection to your insim. Say a expiration date. After it has passed make your insim deactivate. That's the only right you have in the lfs world.. And basically that's the main rule on the internet: Protect your software or consider it stolen.