Quote from -wes- :

wow a lot of you must of had a bad week!
There wasn't 38% of spoilsports when I last posted,maybe I missread.

Anyway just had a thought; can s1 drivers upload hotlaps to lfsw?
If they can, its another blow to thouse who say no.

Seem so... I'm a bit dissapointed for so many 'no' voices... I thought the main reason for everyone here is to have some nice races in a friendly community, but now it seems that there is a number of people who think they are something more since they paid 12 pounds more... :thumbsdow
What's wrong with the choice no.2 in the poll??

Quote from avih :

Yes, yet, the body does NOT feel very rigid. That's the point i'm talking baout. The car bumps up and down relatively much on BOTH suspensions. Much more than what happens to the individual suspensions when going over a kerb for example.

try setting the antirollbars to 0, the function of ARB is to limit bodyroll, but the side effect of that is, that it does make the suspension less independent...

Quote from tailing :

No one said anything about forcing anything, if you already own S1 your fine but there's very little reason to continue selling S1 licenses, particularly when circumstances make it virtually an offline only test.

well this suggestion brings the S1 license holders back into multiplayer... and I say again, for a lot of people it's far more better to buy things in parts...

Quote from Jardier :

Yestarday I finish my 3hours race.
It was so hard race for us becouse our rivals have faster cars (no photo is one)
but I drove very fast very good my mate also and we drove to the finish on best place for us 3. is maximum what we can do.
Its nice for our little car lfs car
http://photos.yousendit.com/al ... 7E5A7AC2A3A6FD73B0C66406/

and I'm on the second photo, the one in the dEmporium LFS sweatshirt (tho LFS is not visible...)

Quote from HittiS :

Word, WORD ... ppl always ask: please can u share your set??? when you're middle in a good race, and if u don't answer (becuse your busy) then they go again: PLEASE CAN U SHARE YOUR SET??? ... 10 times!!!

Please c'mon i'm in a race atm (and when i'm racing i don't wanna pull over to send u my set, or even talk to you).

:iagree:, patience is the keyword here...

Quote from mrodgers :

I agree, it seems folks were a lot "friendlier" even in the S2 demo. Of course, I get a lot of "using race_1 set" when I ask if someone has a good set. Maybe just not many have a setup.

Well in the late S1 times there were good sets on inferno for 99% of the tracks/cars, so when everybody could download a good set , there was no point of sharing them online... nowadays some think that they win mainly because of their set, so the are not willing to share it... but it's a common thing that is't 80% the driver not the set who wins the race... I have no probs sharing my sets... When someone asks for a set I have, I share...

Quote from khtwo :

As I said before, being able to show skin off and being able to see others' skin
are different things. I think limiting demo players on preventing them seeing
others' skins is not wise. This mechanism actually limits the function of S2
licensed players. Think about it from another point of view.

Well for 3 years since the first demo, everybody had to put his skin somewhere for others to download and we had to live with that... I see no reason why demo racers should not...

The good thing in S2 is that bans are on username... So no problem baning him when he joins... To see his username, bring up the connections list and then press ctrl+shift.. (or maybe another 2 combo of the left ctrl,alt,shift)...

You can even ban him if he is not present... as an admin just write /ban username x (where x is for days).. see readme.txt to be sure...

Quote from Viperius :

No idea's yet on how to do this? Atm. i'm having to input the buddies manually; works ok but not very user friendly if you have alot of buddies.

imo there is no way around this... you will always have to make/enter a list of your buddies in any program/app...

Orion's great render I have on my desktop...

Quote from Huru-aito :

Buy the license, it's worth it!

For me, the best 24 pounds spent for entertainment in my life ...

1. No, this feature works only on S2 servers...
2. The feature only works online, howevrt if on a LAN, it's easy for everybody to put all their skins into one folder and then everybody downloads that folder into the skins_x...

and all photos shot at the race track in Most, where I work as a Sport Manager

Quote from inCogNito :

There is no such thing like "ignoring a blue light".

It would be nice if LFS checks if someone crosses the yellow line and gives a penalty.

In the Czech League - Actual Linux Summer Cup, I penalise this on the second infraction (first infraction - warning)...

that's already there... but only for S2 licensed racers...

Quote from Soper :

First thing I really missed was the Track to be adjusted at the cars.
I mean the distance between the left and the right wheel.

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Was perfect to ensure stability and for some fat looking Screenies to present skins

regards
Fox

this was in S1, but was removed since everybody used the max setting anyway...

Quote from tailing :

I think they should either remove the option to buy a new S1 license or set it somehow so that if a dedi server is only using S1 content then it's flagged or something as an S1 server. It would still be in the same server list for S2 players so that they will see it and possibly join. If the admin wants to change something and allow some S2 content he will get a warning saying that doing so will disconnect all S1 drivers.
If they continue selling S1 licenses then they should make a note for people saying that the vast majority of people are either on the demo or S2 and that they might not be able to adequately test out the multiplayer aspect.

To be honest though I think the simplest thing is to stop selling S1 licenses, paying the full price for S2 is not expensive and it just creates confusion. S1 is the old S1 to me, the new S1 is more like S1.5.
I think everything would be so much simpler if there was just S2 and the S2 demo. People who own S1 can still unlock it as they do now but stop selling new S1 licenses.

Well why remove the option to buy the game in parts? For you 24 pounds is maybe not much, but there are people for which it is and they are not willing to pay it at once... Buying the game in parts seems to partially solve this...

Well, IRL when the westhill track was in planning stage, the FIA safety commision would do something to get the racing line from the pit exit. They have done that on the track I work at... For Westhill it would be better for the pits to be on the other side...
And the flashing blue light would be nice.

Last edited by Chaos, Fri 12 Aug 2005, 08:10.

Quote from JJ72 :

And yeah Chaos maybe you can remove the word "demo" from the thread title now.

I tried, but I can't... Only moderators can...

Quote from 1993S14 :

:iagree:

If you have bought S1, part of the code is decrypted, why not decrypt the whole? It's no problem not allowing S2 cars and tracks in another way...

EDIT> added a poll..

Last edited by Chaos, Fri 12 Aug 2005, 07:44.

Quote from L(Oo)ney :

The point people are trying to make, is that there isnt any point in anyone buying S1, because there is no-one to race.

Allowing S1 licensed people play on S2 servers, which only has S1 options set, is a good idea.

It gives the S1 people someone to play with, so that their £12 they spent isn't wasted.

Yes, that's the point! And I would leave the possibility to buy LFS in 12 pounds steps... It's just in people's nature. If it costs 24 pounds they will not buy it. Let them pay the 24 pounds in 2 steps some days/weeks/months apart and they will eventually pay... It's somehow simmilar to buying a car on a lease...

Quote from snewham :

if you don't have S2 then you don't have the rightto experience the S2 cars. If you allow them on the server then they can hear, smell and touch the S2 cars and that nearly defeats the point of buying an S2 licence.

are you serious?
you can hear them in videos, see them in the viewer...
and (at least for me) the main thing is driving those S2 cars on those S2 tracks...
which they would not be able to do without the S2 license...

and please read what Orion said... he got the idea... you obviously didn't...

Last edited by Chaos, Thu 11 Aug 2005, 19:39.

Quote from Doorman :

I for one can't think of ANY other demo for ANY other game that gives so much as LFS. The system works like this. Play the demo > either (a) love the demo and keep playing it forever for free (b) love the demo, buy the bloody game FGS! or (c) hate the demo, uninstall it and never give it another thought. Job done.

I have abandoned the idea of demo users taking part in this... S1 and S2 licensed only...

Quote from snewham :

because one has payed for the right and one hasn't

for what right? S1 licensed has the right for S1 content. What's wrong allowing them on S2 sever with S1 content??
Or do you think they don't have the right to race with you because you are S2 licensed? That's imo lame...

Last edited by Chaos, Thu 11 Aug 2005, 18:53.

Quote from tristancliffe :

The difference is that I am S2 and he/she is S1 licenced. If I want to race against S1ers, then (as I have paid more) I can choose to do that. If S1ers want to race S2ers, then they can just pay more.

I don't care if they use the same track, same cars, same damage, same language. The point is that as they are not S2 licenced, they do not get to race on S2 servers. Simple.

As soon as they cough up more money for the devs to improve S2, then they are 1000000% welcome to race me and every other S2er.

well just tell me how you can tell the difference wheter you race a S1er or a S2er, when you are both on one server...
btw it sounds you think that people with S1 license only are somewhat lesser racers than S2...

Last edited by Chaos, Thu 11 Aug 2005, 18:49.

and another thought: should they be allowed to spectate, what kind of access to S2 is that? The only thing you gain is that you envy those who can race, but you can't > in time you will buy S2...