Quote from geeman1 :

The goal in simracing is to provide a way to race and not have to worry about the annoying parts like spending time repairing your car after a crash.

But you wouldn't have to do this at all. You could simply choose not to join this hypothetical server. Just like I choose not to drift or 'cruise'.

While you can't prevent some fool punting you in the rear at T1, most crashes are as are avoidable to a certain extent. Or at least it's usually possible to take evasive action of some sort and perhaps lessen the impact.
The idea is to provide incentives for people to drive properly.

I agree that there would be incidents that annoy but as they say, that's motorsport.

I would have thought it would be pretty easy to implement, as there are already servers that issue 'points' that aren't within the sim (i.e. STCC or whatever is is now called).

When you join the sever, it creates an account for you with say 1000 credits.
Credits are added to your account from results (and perhaps slowly over time), and deducted based on the level of damage as you cross the line. That last bit may be the hard part.

Then again, I'm no script kiddy, so maybe this is all harder than I think.

Quote from AndroidXP :

^ Nah, this has been discussed years ago and it has been rejected back then as it is rejected now. I don't think it would have a positive enough effect to outweigh the negative ones.

Rejected by whom and on what grounds? I'm talking about individual servers implimenting the damage/points system and not the game as a whole.

I agree with the rest of your blurb though.

Quote from gohfeld23 :

IMO, once you wreck your car, it's race over for you until the next one. Or at least it should be that way.

I'd like to see this (as a server option) too.
Taking the idea even further, how about public servers where 'credits' are accumulated for finishing and winning races, and over time as well.

The idea being that crashing your car will cost you x amount of credits. You can either spend what you've earned to fix the damage for the next race, or wait until credits accumulate over time.

Kind of simulating the amateur motorsport that some classes in LFS represent.

Imagine the flame wars when people get innocently taken out though.

How much do you think realistic engine and suspension damage will change the face of LFS?

At the moment, we all know that it's advantageous to floor it up through the gears and over-rev down changing. Likewise, we all hammer over the curbs at the likes of Fern Bay because we can, knowing it wont have an adverse effect on our car.

My thoughts are that when realistic engine & suspension damage are implemented,there'll be a revolution driving behavior (especially online). A 'drive it like you own it' mentality will be forced on everyone. One false down-change may end your race, and hitting that chicane like you used will bend your steering like it should.

Everyone will be forced to drive with some of the same fears and cautions of racers in the real world. I can't wait for the day.

NB - this topic isn't about development time-lines or such things, so please don't turn it in to one.

Last edited by farcar, Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:38. Reason : typpos - oops, there's another one.

It's a forum like any other.
It has a large population, and overall a welcoming and intelligent one.
Yeah, the exchange of opinion gets heated sometimes but bloody hell, this would be a boring place otherwise.

I think the mods do a great job of standing in the background and only intervening when absolutely necessary.

Heavily modded forums sh1t me to tears. This isn't a classroom!

Well put and I agree, it all looks like a ruse.
A ruse that will be leaked to the media sooner or later.

Quote from danowat :

Quite a nice movie, a little bit jerky though

I just uploaded a 60fps version which should be less jerky.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4G57NB85

It's the same thing, but re-edited. It's shorter, and doesn't have title as the beginning and end.
I'm pretty happy with the result (considering the hardware I'm using).

It looks a hellava lot better than 30fps.

Last edited by farcar, Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:18.

Thanks for the comments people.
I'll use some more combos in the next one (might make it a bit shorter too)

@[SWE]RE - the song is "Did You See Me?" by Ween. These guys are pure music genius. You should go and buy all of their albums now.

Ethan, thanks for the tech tips.

A movie I made before bed last night.
Yes, it's another slow motion movie.
No, it's not as good as Don's stuff.

Youtube version looks crap
Megaupload 30fps version is @ 720*480 and 57.6MB
Megaupload 60fps version is @ 1024*768 and 129MB

YouTube:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_v-nIgc6oYU

MegaUpload 30fps:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E2HNYPIV

MegaUpload 60fps:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4G57NB85

Last edited by farcar, Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:50. Reason : Added link

I totally agree with how LFS is being developed (in fact I'm intrigued by it ).
There's no doubt in my mind Scavier have the talent to do the job, and the 'closed shop' approach prevents the community turning in to one big b1tch-fight when people's content/ideas are turned down for whatever reason.

Having said that, Scawen used someone else's sound's in patch W as Cue-Ball mentioned, so I think they have left some room for compromise.

In all, yeah it will take longer to get there, but in the meantime we have a friggin' awesome sim to play and follow the development of.

Good job lads, keep doing it.

Yeah, lol etc.
But where are we here? Kindergarten?

Here's one of the same combo, but this time it's the world record held by the ...world record holder who is a good steerer and has no respect for engines.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0VapLppzhxc

Quote from Scawen :

Fully Compatible Patches <- DONE
Multiplayer Incompatible Patches <- NEARLY DONE
Physically Incompatible Patches <- SOON STARTING

Thread closed as far as I'm concerned.

The production values are easily the best I've ever seen in an LFS movie and probably in any game movie.
Easily on par with my other fav

Friggin' fantastic, and congratulations.

Last edited by farcar, Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:02.

The only other thing I can think of is AA. Mt card can only do 4x.
Maybe higher levels hammers frame rates.

My specs are lower than yours and I can get decent FPS.

Tips:
-16 bit colour
-Lower resolutions
-Set FRAPS and LFS to lower FPS.

If you're going to record at full speed with sound, you'll want a high FPS, so lower the resoulution and detail if you need to.
For slo-mo, set LFS and FRAPS to lower FPS and record at .125 or .250 speed. You can then play with the frame rates in Virtual Dub later on.

Play with the settings and eventually, you'll find a good compromise.

Last edited by farcar, Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:44.

This amused me somewhat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGMrVA2eWXk

Quote from NetDemon01 :

I've had this onboard cam video uploaded to youtube for a long while now. It's Richard Burns Rally at the Mineshaft stage.

I saw the mineshaft for myself a couple of years ago at the Canberra rally. It's probably the scariest piece of road I've ever seen in motorsport. It's so much friggin steeper than it looks on film.

Here's how dangerous it can be in a Corona
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-en3MgMDkHY

-Edit- How it should be done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-fyUBWy8VY

Last edited by farcar, Tue, 29 May 2007 12:50.

Thanks for the comments people.
Davo, the engine sound is standard. The distortion makes the thing sound a bit meaner, but the trade-off is a bit of dcrackling.

Yeah, it just turned out like that. I'm sure there is a reason for it, but I haven't investigated. From mucking around, I found the distortion sounds great in some cars and not so good in others e.g. F08.

P1 - P4.
Not for long though...

Just a movie of a lap or 2 at SO.
On board and external shots.
Car sound and not music.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A2aO0-EsNKs
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T6LZ8R4A

Quote from Gabkicks :

yeah that was pretty good only big problem i noticed was the jerky cam at around the 1:30 mark.

I have a 50 fps version which I'll upload later on.

Quote from Gabkicks :

could you throw something together for me of my hotlap? spr is on lfsworld.

Sure, I'll give it a whirl.
I also was thinking of doing one for the F08/SO combo (which I totally suck at driving). Do you have a good spr for that?

On the sound thing, yep it's distortion.