I gotta say though, it's highly amusing to watch these idiots who obviously can't drive, make total fools of themselves in threads like this one.

See you later, and don't come back soon!
:haha:

EDIT - Hahahaha

Last edited by farcar, Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:24. Reason : added screenshot

Quote from deggis :

Am I the only one who is kind of in a perverse way enjoying all this whining?

No.

Quote from Monte Busa :

no thanks to the ones who woudl rather post rude remarks...lighten up please guys....thanks

Hypocrite. Your first post was one of the rudest I have ever seen.

Quote from Ospi :

I don't understand why anyone with the ability to buy a wheel (we are talking like $100 for a MOMO) would choose to stay with the KB or mouse. The whole experience of the game is improved ten fold with a wheel.

I agree.
LFS is a sim that attempts to be as realistic as possible. Playing it with a keyboard is almost as silly as making a thread complaining about how hard it is.

Quote from Woz :

Actually you do not need to heel toe to be fast, all depends on your driving style coupled with your diff setup. Take some bite out of your coast locking.

Heel toe is one technique used by drivers but not all do. Mark Scaife, one of the top Aussie V8 drivers does not use the technique. I watched his feet a whole lap of Bathurst via foot cam one year.

He drives with left foot on clutch only and right foot for brakes and gas but only one pedal at a time.

The fastest way around the track is the one you are most comfortable with.

Skaife is a heel-toer. At least in this vid he is:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Dv3whihq8I

There are a couple of left foot brakers in V8 Supercars, they still blip, but don't use the clutch on downshift:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=azpqTZ6WeJk

Thanks Devs and Merry Christmas.
Time for you guys to take a break and spend time with your families.

My last post in this thread, I promise.

Quote from =C.R= Boomshanka :

Yes it does mulitiple times, also literally just above your quote.

Are you referring to this?
"At the professional level, drifting fulfills the promise of exciting, high energy motor sports based entertainment, something that most other forms of racing and motor sports today fall short of, especially among certain demographics." I actually think this is more a poorly constructed sentence than a claim that drifting is in fact racing, but take it as you will. It doesn't make it fact.

Quote from =C.R= Boomshanka :

Also I have to say you're missing the point. It's a recognised Grand Prix.

If you look at the definition of a Grand Prix like I posted earlier in this thread, maybe you will understand.

So, by your logic, this swimming event (see link below) is in fact motor sport:
http://www.ascta.com/www/218/1 ... splayarticle/1027543.html
No, it's not swimming, because it's called a Grand Prix! Look at the definition of Grand Prix! Please...

Quote from =C.R= Boomshanka :

5) go to the D1 Grand Prix website and then try to tell me that a Grand Prix isnt a class of racing nore is it seen as a motrosport

I've never said drifting isn't motorsport, but I think the D1 website you pointed us to sums it up quite nicely.

Quote from d1gp.com :

As a practical description, drifting is a high-skill, high-energy display of car control in which drivers slide their vehicles from side to side at high speed through a marked course or section of a permanent circuit. It looks somewhat similar to a tarmac rally stage, but is done on a closed, paved course and judged on execution and style rather than just who finishes the fastest.

'Racing' not mentioned once.

Reading on, it actually uses the same analogy as I did.

Quote from d1gp.com :

...a drifting vehicle is a thing of beauty and grace not unlike figure skating (albeit much faster and louder)

What a great site. Thanks!

Drifting is the same as racing?
That's like saying figure skating is the same as speed skating.
At the end of the day the means of winning is different i.e. First across the line versus judgment.

All this BS about coined phrases like 'Racing Technique' and ' Racers' is fruitless and means nothing. People can mince whatever words they like...
I could start referring to Racers as 'Long Haired Mongolian Yaks', but it wouldn't make them Yaks at all would it?

Quote from jibber :

This here looks interesting.

http://s99.photobucket.com/alb ... p;current=14122007021.flv

The sound of the tires is still a joke IMO, and i still don't expect very much from the physics... but nevertheless, interesting!

• Graphics are the best I've seen. The lighting is brilliant. Looks like real life...
  
• Until you see the car moving. Especially the bit at the end when it caught air. A huge uncanny valley moment.
  
• The skid sound is rank.

My Prediction:
GT5 will be exactly like GT3 and 4 before it. A graphics showcase first, a fun racing game a distant second and a car simulator a very, very distant third.
There's not anything necessarily wrong with that, but people who think it drives like real life are delusional.

It's always good to see more Aussie servers.
I guess my ideal server is one where the racing is not 'ultra competitive, the people are friendly, and the LX and tin top cars are being raced.

Quote from steve :

I don't know why its always on though?

Probably so that people can see their firewalls warning when LFS is accessing the internet.

Quote from steve :

Can we please get window while connecting turned off by default?

Jeez, coz it's so much effort to do that single mouse click, once, and only after you install a patch...

I really can't undestand all the nitpicking. We should all let Scawen concentrate on the big things.

For me, realism is fun, and I'm in the same boat as the Kiwi above this post. I've never been 'fast', but would rather have to drive it like I owned it. Races used to be about braking and steering only. There's much more to motor sport than just these 2 things.

The more realistic LFS becomes, the happier I will be. Obviously not everyone is aboard this boat but frankly the Devs were always headed this way. It's just now that we're starting to see the effects.

Quote from Hallen :

It depends on what you buy. I know with my ECCI pedals, you can buy a set that works through your DFP or G25, or you can buy the type that are a stand alone USB controller of their own. I started with the former, and upgraded to the latter.

I am sure ACT labs is similar.

Thanks for that guys. I'd probably get standalone. I might get a nice solid industrial strength set rather than just a standalone clutch (if such a thing even exists).

Patch Y is starting to cost me already.

EDIT - These are tempting but expensive

http://advantage1.com.au/Shop/ ... _id=10&products_id=73

Last edited by farcar, Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:41.

Quote from mrodgers :

I have a MOMO with extra pedals connected for clutch. I'm new to it, as I just got it connected up last weekend in preparation of the patch.

I've got a Momo too and am currently using a wheel button as the clutch which is not ideal. Anyone know if there is such thing as a standalone USB clutch?
Else, do pedal sets like the ACT labs ones work OK with Momos wheels?

A quick and short slow motion movie with a focus on the new and bumpy south city Chicane route. Comments welcome.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ROW16KX6

Image: 800 x 600
Duration 1:34
Audio: MP3 55kbps
Frame Rate: 60 fps
Video Data Rate 475kbps
Compression: XVID
Size: 46,154,534 bytes

Quote from Dyllaann :

since you added the FBM and removed the XRT, it's going to drive away demo drifters. They will get mad and not want to play anymore.

Bye, bye then

Quote from Dyllaann :

EDIT: My point is, lfs will soon not be that popular, no one will buy it, and everyone will be driven away...

Let me correct you there. LFS won't be popular with Demo Drifters any more and Demo Drifters will be driven away.
I would guess that SCAVIER guessed that making an open wheeler available on the demo might attract more genuine racers to LFS, and maybe (just maybe) these people are more likely to fork out for the full version.

Personally, I think it's a great call and I still can't see a negative side at all.

I'm late, but I'll gladly join your little club.
Here's to realism
:banana:

Quote from teaz-R :

I've watched quite a few V8 supercar races and those cars can burn the clutch with a single bad start. It'll recover, but will take some time.

Here's an example of that (first 40 secs, watch Skaife on the front row). But, there was no chance for it to recover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... qKuVw&feature=related

Last edited by farcar, Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:48.

Quote from Hankstar :

I reckon you would've found an existing thread if you'd spelled "drift" with an "i" instead of a "1"

That word would not look right without the standard numbers for letters substitution.

Quote from Hankstar :

As for your tiny heart attacks, that's the pork rind talking. Eat some greens mate

Well I gave up the bungers about 5 months ago, and my heart has made a full recovery. So, the palpitations must be directly related to d1rFt0Rx1ng and Cruising.

Quote from ajp71 :

There's now a filter to get rid of them in X30

W00t - and I'm going to take all the credit for it.
I guarantee Scawen stumbled across this suggestion late in the night, and coded away tirelessly to have the it implemented for Patch Y.

Now if I could only get away from the friggin' office and download it, I would be a happy camper.

Quote from Bones73 :

If you want good clean racing and fun you're all welcome to join us in ProRacingRoom#1.

All we ask is that you race clean and respect other drivers and most of all have fun.

We run an enduro every Sunday night (Australian Server). Pop in and say hi sometime.

I've been in there many times and it's a good, clean and friendly Racing server.
Thumbs up to you!

Quote from _--NZ--_[HUN] :

I think we will have something like this with cruise servers:

3h_cruise_w cruise

Cool, but how does that make it disappear from my server list?

Quote from Dajmin :

It has been suggested before, but I doubt they used the word 'categorise'

Too many syllables for the dr1ft0rs?
(j/k)