Of course I want billion cars and classes, but there's more interesting classes I'd like to see before this one, so voted no.

indeed.

In my opinion improper controllers should be allowed, but without any aids. At least I felt really betrayed few days ago, when I realized that back in my momo days I wasn't fast because of my car control skillz but more likely because flatshifting, paddle shifting, button clutch, auto-blipping, turning only 240 degrees etc. Now I feel really bad for those who may have lost a race to me because of using more realistic controls. I would have been much happier if the aids didn't exist in the first place.

And now that I had a chance to get the proper gear, I either don't want a wing commander outbrake me by just pulling back, not to speak of a teenager pressing 'z'.

I'd choose wide over 4:3 anytime, there's no reason for me to use 4:3 (except that I happen to have one that works, and new ones would cost money)

I understand debates about forced camera positions, driver positions or turbo lag, but how on earth can somebody speak for driver aids? The sooner they're gone the better.

And what comes to thread title, haven't tortured anyones clutch like that in real life, but in LFS you can flatshift and kick the clutch quite a lot without any extra heat

I can't believe how different this is now than year ago with Momo wheel. Several hours of practising, yet I'm 5 seconds off the pace, unable to brake properly, unable to recover spins, and miss-shifting every lap, but I'M LOVING IT!

Keep up the good work, Scawen!

EDIT: Afterall it wasn't that different, but helluva lot better!

Last edited by frokki, Tue 29 Jan 2008, 19:48.

Such a nice read, Kamkor, thanks!

You are very right about LFS being close to reality! I had never oversteered in a rear wheel drive car before, but only because of being used to do it in LFS, it only took about 5 minutes to drift a real car in the same exact way. I'm still very very impressed when I think about it!

Quote from TAYLOR-MANIA :

Hi,

Can someone clearly explain what the Spring Effect Strength & Damper Effect Strength settings are in the Profiler?

Quote :

What does the "Damper Effect Strength" slider do for force feedback gaming controllers?

The "Damper Effect Strength" slider is a feature of Profiler accessible only by force feedback gaming devices. This slider controls the strength of the damper forces within force feedback games. Damper forces slow down the movement of the gaming device in a particular direction. Examples of damper forces would be items such as water or mud. By moving the slider beyond 100%, the damper forces get stronger, and the gaming device will feel more sluggish when you encounter a damper force. By moving the slider below 100%, damper forces will not affect your gameplay as much.

What does the "Spring Effect Strength" slider do for force feedback gaming controllers?

The "Spring Effect Strength" slider is a feature of Profiler accessible only by force feedback gaming devices. This slider controls the strength of the spring forces within a game. Spring forces are the effect of the wheel/stick being pulled into a certain direction by the game/software. The farther that you move the handle away from the direction that the force is pulling in, the stronger the force effect will get. By moving the slider above 100%, the stronger that resistance will be. An example of this would be trying to pull out of a dive in a flight simulator. The more you try to pull out of a dive, the more resistance you will encounter.

The default centering spring that centers the joystick handle or steering wheel in games that do not support force feedback will not be affected by this slider. However, games that support force feedback may or may not disable the default centering spring.

I also believe that you should never ever use either of those effects with LFS.

Quote from henrico-20- :

in reality you can use yr tires about 30 minutes. in lfs 2 minutes and then it feels like driving on ice.

Tyre heating may feel a bit too fast in LFS, but I doubt that nobody drifts 30 minutes with any kind of tires in real life...

Quote from JO53PHS :

Sorry if this has already been asked

If I buy a new Logitech G25 from ebay will it still have a 1 year warranty with it?

Warranty starts the day it's bought. If you buy it from a retailer (dunno if those sell by ebay, at least here they do via local web auction) it will, but if you buy it from a consumer, the warranty is stated on the warranty recipe.

OT: I finally ordered my G25 today, and got a 2-year warranty with it!
But what I've heard, theres a good chance for the shifter to break...

Seems like the profiler is crashing for some reason. Try to reboot your pc and see if it helps.

If it doesn't, uninstall and reinstall the profiler.

Quote from The Very End :

No I am not going to read the other pages, it`s the same all over.
We have plenty of good cars to drift with with the right setup. If you can`t manage to drift with those your not worthy asking for a drift car.

A drift car differs from current cars when it comes to looks, power, tires and steering lock. Ability of who can drift what has nothing to do with this, and you should know it with that post count.

Admitting that you haven't read the thread in a stupid and useless post is even more stupid.

Last edited by frokki, Tue 25 Dec 2007, 10:48.

A Finnish man usually seems more or less emotion-dead on the outside. At least my Russian girlfriend and her mum are often amused by their boyfriends' 'typical Finnish sullen behaviour' I feel generally very happy at most times, but instead of smiling and jumping home from a shop like a Little Red RidingHood in the woods, by default my face is like I'd be in a funeral and I rarely start a conversation unless I really have something to say.

Last edited by frokki, Sat 22 Dec 2007, 20:49.

Quote from wheel4hummer :

Maybe because people can change the country to whatever they please? Someone in Finland could change their country to "USA" if they wanted too. And BTW, "American" isn't a race. Although if I open a business I'm going to put up a sign that says "No Finns allowed" j/k

Sorry if that question offended your hidden origin. I promise not to ask any questions related to foreign countries anymore!

Quote from jonny__27 :

This is the first time i visit the forum after the release of patch Y, and honestly i wasn't expecting so many threads complaining about it.
So i created this one not to complain, but for you to talk about any bug related to realism you might found on patch Y.
Right now, i played it 1 hour, and i felt something strange about the clutch, but i still can't describe what it is. I will play again and try to find what it is.

1) We have the improvement suggestions board for improvement suggestions and bug board for bug reports.
2) You should always first decide what you are trying to say when opening a thread. If you don't have anything to say, it may be best not to just do it.

Quote from TKD-Wolf :

Quote from Bogey Jammer :

I hated drifting, I hate drifting more now by seeing these <10 posts drifters users who confuse reality with {fast and furious | xbox games | initialD | NFS | etc etc...}

So drifters lovers please buy your 200sx s15, tune it, and drift it like your japanese gods, live your dream for real. But... what? there's no more S15? tyres are too expensive? tuning budget is astronomic? real drifting is too difficult (just like LFS patch Y)?

Ok now we get to insulting people who prefer a different style of driving. >.> What's wrong with liking to drift? Yeah ok some of the drifters may have been harsh and maybe insulted people too, but just because I don't like Patch Y doesn't mean I'd want to go buy NFS instead of GT5..

He wasn't insulting the people, he was just pointing out that most of this negative feedback without proper arguments seems to come from (inexperienced-ish) drifters. And feels natural it doesn't make drifting or drifters seem any better in his eyes.

Quote from mrminor28 :

drift filter wtf ? what you know about a cruise filter ? Its just giving to drive wrongway.
what drift filter can do in game ? in your opinion ?

Exclude drifting servers from the server list?

Hate to be a racist, but why are most of these rants without decent arguments coming from across the pond, where the user base is small even?

Quote from henrico-20- :

the discussion about driftcars is actually pointless. it only add something extra to the sim. what does it bother you if people drift or race?

Because creating non-racing related content delays creating racing related content.

Who drifts and who doesn't isn't related to this thread in any way. If you ignore Tristan (that I think you should do), nobody is bashing drifting in this thread. <-- That's right, kamkor.

Quote from Aquilifer :

Winter swimming (in an icy lake) - (can't find link?)
Who can stay (alive) longest in Sauna - (no link?)
...

Sauna World Championships
Ice Hole Swimming and Championships

Quote from welshys90 :

it would be helpful in a 24 hour race and for those that race with a keyboard its hard to race and type at the same thing and causes chaos

24 hour pickup races sound quite rare to me, and one shouldn't type when racing anyway.

When they start to improve the damage modelling, I certainly hope and believe that they don't just make some invisible boxes that determine deformation and engine damage, but instead like they have done before on several other aspects of the game - be the first that take it to the next level, modelling the structure of the bodies and parts so that the cars break somewhat realistically, affecting the looks and fuctionality as it should.

Even though it could be fast to implement, doing something "small" like you suggested is completely just waste of time and resources if they are going to redo it later anyway. When the devs do something, they do it properly and work on it as long as it takes, and that's about the best thing in LFS after the driving itself.

Last edited by frokki, Fri 21 Dec 2007, 12:09.

There's no need for voice communication in random pickup race servers imo. What would you need to say to the others that you can't type? Nothing. I can think only negative points.

And more organized things, well they're organized, so you can easily organize communication services too.

I really tried it, but failed and broke my wheel and here I am, 10 months without LFS now.

Drive safely lads!

PS. Actually my arms didn't hurt, but over 15mins of racing and I was sweating all over the place... Had to wear underwear only in league races.

Someone desperately wanted to prove how fast this so called "speed drifting" was.