Quote from Shotglass :

thats the point you bloddy tommy ... the definition is ... lets say challenged

You've lost me completely

Quote from Shotglass :

it does by definition thats the whole point im trying to make

I don't understeer when I trail brake so this can't be right can it?

Quote from Shotglass :

the point is at turn in you need more lateral force from the front wheels than form the rears and you achieve that by a mix of load shifting to the front and higher slip angles at the front ... so by the usual definition cars would understeer all the time at turn in

Surely by increasing load over the fron tyres will result in less understeer. You always have higher slip angles at the front because the front wheels steer. It doesn't necessarily mean understeer.

Quote from Shotglass :

i know thats the usual definition but doesnt that mean that a (properly trail braked) car is always understeering all the way to the apex ?

Again it depends on style. When I trail brake it's not to get the car understeering, it's to avoid understeer while I am slightly over the target apex speed during the time between turning in and hitting (or missing lol) the apex.

Quote from mikey_G :

If you turn in really fasst, and exit the corner really fast, you're creating a big yaw angle. A big yaw angle doesn't automatically mean understeer or oversteer, it just depends which side of the car has a bigger slip angle.

yaw eh

Well a positive yaw value=understeer and a negative yaw value=oversteer.

Or reduce the front ARB and reduce front bump by a click. Remember if you increase ARB by more than a couple of clicks you will need to increase negative camber slightly to maintain the angles. Same the other way around - reduce front ARB and you will need to add some negative camber. The reason for this is that stiffer suspension deflects less and most suspension geometrys increase negative camber in deflection.

Quote from Mako. :

The Fern bay-green course/ FOX formula car combo has a bug










It's simply Too Much fun!

I don't know why, but next to BL reverse, this is now my second favourite course.

Try FE Club on the Gentlefoot Formula Racing server. Dual class FOX and FO8 on this short course is intense when there's more than about 10 cars on track

This event is now called the Gentlefoot Formula Challenge (GFC)

There is a test race being held this Sunday at 20:00 GMT. There are currently 26 entries however, I do not believe everyone wil turn up so if you are interested but put off by the entry list don't be. I'm fairly confident that drivers signing up at this late stage could still get to race on Sunday.

GF

Quote from MAD3.0LT :

na i totaly understand but if it gets big and popular then it my work anyways gl with everything i might sing up once i have time

Unfortunately it seems rather unpopular and may well be scrapped in a week or two - we'll see

Quote from MAD3.0LT :

it should be
1 to 3 1 posistions up allowed
4 to 10 2 posisitions allowed
11 to 20 3 posisitions allowed
21 to 33 4 posistions allowed

then 5 for any outside that bracket

this way no one can go jumping to far without fairness to others in each class

IE class
A
B
C
D
E = entry class

Thanks for the suggestion - I'll bare it in mind. Seems a bit over complicated though don't you think. I have enough difficulty getting people to read the basic characteristics of the GFC. I must have been asked "when are the races?" about 50 times and yet all that info is there in the forum. Besides - biggest ladder only has 9 people in it so far anyway

For this reason I want to keep it simple.

Quote from romus74 :

If I was in a 9th position could I then challenge the player in the 4th position? A player in the 8th position could not.

Hopefully I'll find time participating to this later on..

Actually I've changed the cut-off to top 10.

"If you are ranked outside the top 10 drivers you can challenge up to 5 places above you. However, if you are ranked 10 or higher you can only challenge up to 2 drivers above you."

The above statement came from http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41

So if you are 11th you can challenge 6th but if you are 10th you can only challenge 8th. I know it's not perfect but to limit it to challenge 1 person above will never work because if that 1 person isn't available you have no on else to challenge.

Quote from Spils :

done

Nice one - I've added you now mate.

Quote from Kalev EST :

And RB4.

Good point! lol

I now have ranks for XRT,MRT,FOX,FO8 and BF1. More will be added depending on numbers.

Go to http://gentlefoot.com//LFS/forum/index.php to sign up

Quote from sinkoman :

I've been getting rear ended quite a lot online, and I think I figured out why tonight.

I was racing on a CTRA server, doing pretty good, when some guy rear ends me as i'm slowing down into a turn.

I figure "no biggy, i'm not perfect either, and I wasn't thrown off of my line. I won't say anything".

Then as soon as the race finishes he tells me "sinkoman, LEARN TO DRIVE".

I reply "what the heck man, you REAR ENDED ME!"

"LEARN TO DRIVE SINKOMAN! YOU BRAKED!"

"NO CRAP I HIT MY BRAKES! Learn to ANTICIPATE! I had complete right of way man!"

"Nobody brakes at that turn, LEARN TO DRIVE!"

Ok, so what i'm wondering is, let's say i'm following pretty closely to the rest of the pack, and I can see that i'm coming into the next turn at an off angle, so I hit my brakes and drop speed just a smidge, something that nobody else is doing. I apparently just misjudged, and didn't realize I could make it.

Yet the guy following slams into me at full speed.

Who's "fault" would you say that was? Mine or his?

I've been under the impression that whilst following, it's YOUR responsibility to correct your line for whatever odd actions the driver ahead of you may make, exactly like in real life, but i'm a noob, so i'm not entirely sure on this :\

You are in the right he is the in the wrong. You have to just learn to ignore idiots like that I'm afraid.

Quote from The Architect :

I really, really, really suck really badly, but I want to give it a whack. I want to try out for a RB4 bracket position.

OK mate - sign up in the Gentlefoot forum and PM me your details - screen name, LFS name and car.

Quote from Spils :

ill try the RB4 and FOX ladder if u dont mind signing me up

Sure mate. Go and register and I'll add you http://gentlefoot.com//LFS/forum/index.php

Quote from AlienT. :

Great idea Gentlefoot. Unfortunately I am so severely lacking in the talent department at the moment that I would be too ashamed to compete .

Good luck I'm sure this will take off

There's talent and there's practice

Quote from Jertje :

Can challenges be sorted out in PM's between the involved drivers, or is there an official system for it?

No system - just the sportmanship of each driver. I hope that'll be enough

Quote from Paranoid Android :

One question: Say I'm second, I challenge the first, and lose. How many times can I challenge him?

As many times as you like. But remember:

"The Challenged driver can request up to 1 week for preparation."

This question made me realise another potential issue. If we allow challenges up to 5 places the top driver could end up with 5 challenges a week. A bit much I'm sure you'll agree. So I'm going to change that rule slightly.

If you are ranked outside the top 8 drivers you can challenge up to 5 places above you. However, if you are ranked 8 or higher you can only challenge up to 2 drivers above you.

Seems like a simple solution.

Just to be clear, if you are the lower ranked driver and you lose you DO NOT lose a place. You remain in you current ranking.

I think I'd put it a different way. I would forget about slip angles and just say if the front tyres 'break traction' before the rears then the car is understeering. If there rears break traction before the front then the car is oversteering. To say a car is oversteery or understeery you have to say at what time it is oversteery or understeery as all cars can oversteer and understeer in different circumstances.

Quote from Kalev EST :

It´s a great idea. Hopefully this gets popular. It wouldn´t be much fun with only a few people participating.

If you ever decide to set up a ladder system for the RB4 then I´d like to take part.

You want RB4 - you got RB4. Done and entered

Quote from BigDave2967 :

Will the FOX/F08 league still go ahead, since the GF Ladder is another league feature?

Ofcourse.

The ladder is aimed at those not wanting to commit to regular race times so it is aimed at a different target market

Quote from Greboth :

I am just wondering, as i didnt see it mentioned. Do you pick one car or can you enter into the ladder with all cars?

Go and have a look at http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/index.php

There are ladders for several cars at the moment but I may well end up with ladders for all cars.

You can enter as many as you want. All is explained on the forum.

I'v created ladders for the following cars: XRT, FOX, MRT, FO8, BF1.

If anyone would like to compete in a different car please let me know and I'll set it up too.