:banghead: wow, bet ya were a little upset to say the least heh LOL...
saying that i find BL is one of those tracks that hates the FO8 tire wise, but in saying that you went pretty far on 1 set of boots sooooo i duno now
saying that i find BL is one of those tracks that hates the FO8 tire wise, but in saying that you went pretty far on 1 set of boots sooooo i duno now
you may have a point there ^^
well thats fine by me, if we get 1 sim racer out of every 50 who try LFS long term thats grate, let the NFS nuts glue there gas peddles down and think there better than MS, i hope they leave lol, but to be honest i dont think those types would be watching this type of program anyway, there more likely to be watching "pimp my ride"..
as regards cars and tracks and LFS, ive been in heated discusions about this many times, i dont care for RL cars/tracks... not saying i wouldnt drive em, but ive been playing sims for some years now (mostly flight sims) and everytime the game recreates a RL car/track/plane, the comunity goes nuts that this is not realistic and thats not right, they all come up with there own stats from some where and pull the sim and the devs over the coals because of it....
i like what the devs have done, and if it does change expect time between patches to triple and the quality of patches to drop, why???
becasue the devs will be concentrating to much on making sure the BMW sauber can get round silverstone in a realistic time, instead of making the game bigger and better in the phisics department, and they will still get slated over it, so imo they got it right at is it.. we have nothing to compare westhill to so it cannot be wrong can it
let them get the damage model perfected, tires , aero weather and the million and one other IMPORTANT THINGS done first then we will worry about our mclarean f1's and saubaru's...yes i agree it turns some guys off not having rl tracks and cars, well if they carnt see through that then TATAR is all i can say and happy NFS'ing
do you hurt them after such a remark???
i really hope your wrong bazley....
scawen surely you havent let this one pass through ya fingers???? damnit we need exposure!!!!!
scawen surely you havent let this one pass through ya fingers???? damnit we need exposure!!!!!
although i carnt help with your wheel problem, i feel your pain mine went a few weeks back, im currently undergoing therapy and taking some very strong sedatives, untill my new wheel comes along, if things get hard PM me and ill put you intouch with a good shrink, dont bottle ya feelings up, its good to talk in times of great crisis
can we expect a growth in the LFS comunity after XMAS?
ok duno if this has been brought up since the news of the new patch, (thread way to big for my little head to read all ) so if so sorry in advance
from what scawen says in his post, the bigwigs at this V1 chamionship outfit asked the devs would like and be able to provide the simulation for the tv program... so it goes with out saying that LFS will be getting some "air time" at long last and hopfully do wonders on the promotional side of the sim, so could this be where LFS really takes off??? can we expect a steady stream of budding new drivers to our ranks?
) so if so sorry in advancefrom what scawen says in his post, the bigwigs at this V1 chamionship outfit asked the devs would like and be able to provide the simulation for the tv program... so it goes with out saying that LFS will be getting some "air time" at long last and hopfully do wonders on the promotional side of the sim, so could this be where LFS really takes off??? can we expect a steady stream of budding new drivers to our ranks?
storm agree with the fo8 there fronts are a nightmare to keep in the sweetspot, although i dont go as far as r3's as a general rule for me personly i agree the fo8 seems very ARB tetchy, if you havent got your ARB smack on your front tires just burst into flames .....
and just out of interest as anyone had a blowout in a race????? ive never had sutch a thing happen to me
.....and just out of interest as anyone had a blowout in a race????? ive never had sutch a thing happen to me
i can not comment on that, i have heard forza is a good game but as regards simulatin of phisics i carnt say, all i know is that all games and "sims" ive played on a console or far from a "SIM", but i carnt speak for forza, although i carnt really see the demand (worldwide) being large enough to publish a high quality SIM for a console, EA sports, beat em up and harry potter are the consoles bread and butter IMO,
a sim on a console would be like playing MS flight simulator on a PSP
LFS is a simulator, consoles dont do sims, so IMO no and nor should it be...
its hard enough fighting your way through the drivers with IQ.s of 2 as it is now, can you imagine the xbox crowd jumping in too? ...... gota go i feel sick
its hard enough fighting your way through the drivers with IQ.s of 2 as it is now, can you imagine the xbox crowd jumping in too? ...... gota go i feel sick
agree 100% here, the FOX is very kind in the tire department, again driving style has a lot to do with it but im not sure i know of a FOX running R2's, they wear rubber very well, i only race the S-S cars so i carnt speak for the gti's and so on but the F08 is completly deferent, not so good on the tires, ive know sets running R3's on the FO8 personly i like to stick to R1's and R'2s, i dont really find running higher than that gives you an overal time advantage to say using r2's.... just learn to look after the car, most drivers disregard this, and its important!!, 6 lap race ok thrash it but when your doing longer races no tire will give you a higher advantage than if you look after your car and boots...
no problem
im just glad you understood it lol, after reading my post back to myself just i think i went a bit off topic, i dont get let out often ou see
im just glad you understood it lol, after reading my post back to myself just i think i went a bit off topic, i dont get let out often ou see
i think thats were he is getting confused, 0 camber in the setup (slider) doesnt mean the car will roll out with 0 camber, as stated above live camber shows this, so if you want your car to run "true" 0 camber go off your "live camber" information...
as regards heat in the tires, its a imposible question to answer, ive seen drivers use my set and get completly different heat patterns, due to driving style and racing lines e.c.t,
but as a general rule, the inside of the tire will always take the punishment and therfore get a lot hotter this is unavoidable, because you will either pick up the heat in braking, or in the corners.. so if your generating to mutch heat in the hi-G corners you would add - camber so the tire is flat-er in the corners, but you then start loosing grip under braking and generating more heat there, because the tires are not flat and riding on the insides, that brings us to caster and toe, witch ads to the ballancing act...
me personly camber is one of the last things i tweak, because the way i look at it is the tires are the thing in between the road and ya setup, set the car up then set camber to accomodate, never the other way round you will be chasing ya tail, cus springs/dampers/arb's have such a high effect..
some drivers say its best to have = heat spread across the tire, not only is this not always impossible, i dont always find it offers the best grip..
hehehe i always take the inside if im in the top 4 of the grid, get the breaking point right, i usualy steal a few posistions, that way but as you say your still a bit shy, so the outside is probably ya best best bet, just navigate the carnage and finish with a a podium ....
keep at it, i promise give it a few months you will be dishing out the advice to the new drivers, we like to call it the "LFS evolution".. just that i seem to be stuck in this evolution cycle as a primative ape 
....keep at it, i promise give it a few months you will be dishing out the advice to the new drivers, we like to call it the "LFS evolution"
.. just that i seem to be stuck in this evolution cycle as a primative ape then yee shall get faster
, i try to halp as many new drivers online as i can, (most of whome are now faster than me ) but you can point them in the right direction, you can tell em this and that and maybe tweak there set a bit, but you carnt give em that moment when the penny drops, and they nail a corner, now when i drop a few tenths, i carnt even tell yea where i dropped it, its a wierd thing, i think they call it experience .... just keep lapping and ENJOY it, your times will come down....stuff WR, (unless your into WR setting) and remember there will always be someone faster and someone slower, dont get caught up in the (im to slow) syndrome, ya brain will soak it up over time, rushing it just slows the proccess...
forbin please dont think im trying to tell you your bread and butter, i hate having these discrepences with driver vastly more experianced than me , matter of time before ya get ya ass handed to ya ...
but i find it interesting all the same...
as the OP said, core temps coming up slower than surface temps and visa versa, and he wants to get them to raise in temp as closely as possible, now i 100% agree with your above post as regards the tire cycles BUT.....
as you said in the 1st e.g .....2nd lap tires about 80 degrees, (near optimum) and the inside of the tire is still blue.... this is what im trying to get at.... lets take your e.g (which i agree with) but lets say the core temp was not blue (cold) and we managed to get it warm (dark/light green) i find you get a lot more grip, its just surface temps nautraly come up quicker than core temps, ....
do you see what i mean??? in race situation now its impossible to do this because you have no time to get the core up to temp before race its BLUE... but if you go offline and manage to warm up the core without heating up the surface to mutch (equalize the ratio a bit more) it is possible and i find you get better grip when the surface AND the core are at optimum, rather than surface at optimum and core still blue (cold)....
am i making a prat outa myself here
...but i find it interesting all the same...
as the OP said, core temps coming up slower than surface temps and visa versa, and he wants to get them to raise in temp as closely as possible, now i 100% agree with your above post as regards the tire cycles BUT.....
as you said in the 1st e.g .....2nd lap tires about 80 degrees, (near optimum) and the inside of the tire is still blue.... this is what im trying to get at.... lets take your e.g (which i agree with) but lets say the core temp was not blue (cold) and we managed to get it warm (dark/light green) i find you get a lot more grip, its just surface temps nautraly come up quicker than core temps, ....
do you see what i mean??? in race situation now its impossible to do this because you have no time to get the core up to temp before race its BLUE... but if you go offline and manage to warm up the core without heating up the surface to mutch (equalize the ratio a bit more) it is possible and i find you get better grip when the surface AND the core are at optimum, rather than surface at optimum and core still blue (cold)....
am i making a prat outa myself here
hhhhmmm not sure i agree forbin, when you come from the pits, the tire pressues you specify in the pits is not what you get, once the inside of the tire worms up "light green" you have optimum PSI or what you specified in the setup...
i could be wrong here but i have done tests after tests on this and i find a tire will give more grip when the inside tire temp is optimum, tire wear is calmed down by some margin.., and the surface temp heats up a less erratic...
ive noticed the biggest advantage is in accelerating out of turns and under braking, the grip is more than noticable, to be honest i found its a waste of time building a online RACE set, and doing what i said above becasue the car handles completly different.
plus i thought that was what the OP was asking? again im in the middle of decorating and the wife is giving no margin here so i may have read wrong
i could be wrong here but i have done tests after tests on this and i find a tire will give more grip when the inside tire temp is optimum, tire wear is calmed down by some margin.., and the surface temp heats up a less erratic...
ive noticed the biggest advantage is in accelerating out of turns and under braking, the grip is more than noticable, to be honest i found its a waste of time building a online RACE set, and doing what i said above becasue the car handles completly different.
plus i thought that was what the OP was asking? again im in the middle of decorating and the wife is giving no margin here so i may have read wrong
yep exactly, thats why i would love to see warm up laps added as a server option for the leaugues, a few warm up laps does this ive tried it offline and it works if done right and tire wear is really good, "core temps" or tire pressures are at there best, tire gives loads more grip....
i think it would be grate to have this feature, make the league races more fun too, and the better you are at warming ya tires will give you an advantage in race, cus its not easy to do right...
i think it would be grate to have this feature, make the league races more fun too, and the better you are at warming ya tires will give you an advantage in race, cus its not easy to do right...
lol no ya right, but i dont see lewis being as strong minded in that area, and the media has changed a lot since then, thew will make ya nd break ya as long as it makes em money...
dont get me started on the media thing my keyboard is not up to it today...
i give up i really do
yes i want it all grafix sound and physics im not kidding myself there for 1 second!, but if there is a game genre where FPS counts its a race sim, so performance is a big issue and if we did have it all you can wipe HALF the LFS playerbase out cus there rigs wouldnt cope...
as for S3?/ its a good few years away yet s2 aint done yet for gawd sake, so a full release of S3??? minimum 1 and a half years i would say 2 maybe 3 to be fair, at which time the average home PC will be better or atleast as good as what a top end rig is now....
yes also in that time grafix and "special effects" will also have gone forward, but imo LFS will never be in that zone, and im personaly pleased with that.....
its like in the 80/90's with the brit/german/us car manufactures, while we was fudging about with all new technology, airbags/lecky windos and centrel locking the japs manufactures used all our old technology, there cars worked and ours were being called back and spending more time in the garages, yep no question that new stuff is common place today but it works today, then it was all new and came with its problems....
LFS goes with what works well, yes i would LOVE LFS to be cutting edge with no problems and everyone who is here today to run it like butter but thats just not possible....
another game i play WWIIOL, is very mutch like LFS, and its grafix ARE BAD, and its been stated in every review, BUT the devs have made something that no other war simulaion can, its content is huge, therefore its shelf life is near infinate, same goes for LFS..
ive said it once and ill say it again, LFS is NOT perfect, its not a dreamboat in the technology department, but it hits the best medium, a strike between the two..
these bigg developers are interested in one thing... shifting vast amounts of copies for high prices, what LFS has sold since its payment release would make EA cry if they only sold that many in 24 hours!!!!!!!, they knock out MILLIONS, and they dont care that i have loads of games that i dont play anymore, cus they already have my money and are on the NEXT project, and buisy trying to get the next £50 out of my pocket,
if LFS dies, i dont really think the devs would turn round and say while rubbing there hands together "made a tidy penny out of that one heh? ok next game victor" your in a completly different area with LFS and thats why i love it, cus i know that the devs go to sleep at night thinking how to make LFS more enjoyable for US, not go to sleep thinking what rolls royce there gona buy the next day....
i see so many people whine about drivers for this, patches for that, cus the devs carnt be arsed to patch a fix, thats becasue you have paid you money and now they dont care, the only time they will is if its a pretty new product and it could cause them profit loss in the future for THAT product, once there new line come out there laughing all the way to the bank AGAIN.. thats just buisness with these big guys, and thats why these games "LFS" are special, and thats why ill be here for some time to come...
back to grafix, ok you may have a better rig than me and get 20000 FPS and there are a few on here that could handle LFS maxed out with killer grafix/sound and the finished article, BUT LFS WOULD DIE!!!!!!!, your gona get bored cus the player base has just been smashed to bitts, the devs carnt carry on cus there arnt enough people buying cus not enough can run it, LFS dies and thats FACT...
if you want high end this, high end that, go for it and best of luck to you, but i will put my house on it !!!!!!LFS will still give you best bang for ya buck!!!!!!,
im gona get off my box now
yes i want it all grafix sound and physics im not kidding myself there for 1 second!, but if there is a game genre where FPS counts its a race sim, so performance is a big issue and if we did have it all you can wipe HALF the LFS playerbase out cus there rigs wouldnt cope...
as for S3?/ its a good few years away yet s2 aint done yet for gawd sake, so a full release of S3??? minimum 1 and a half years i would say 2 maybe 3 to be fair, at which time the average home PC will be better or atleast as good as what a top end rig is now....
yes also in that time grafix and "special effects" will also have gone forward, but imo LFS will never be in that zone, and im personaly pleased with that.....
its like in the 80/90's with the brit/german/us car manufactures, while we was fudging about with all new technology, airbags/lecky windos and centrel locking the japs manufactures used all our old technology, there cars worked and ours were being called back and spending more time in the garages, yep no question that new stuff is common place today but it works today, then it was all new and came with its problems....
LFS goes with what works well, yes i would LOVE LFS to be cutting edge with no problems and everyone who is here today to run it like butter but thats just not possible....
another game i play WWIIOL, is very mutch like LFS, and its grafix ARE BAD, and its been stated in every review, BUT the devs have made something that no other war simulaion can, its content is huge, therefore its shelf life is near infinate, same goes for LFS..
ive said it once and ill say it again, LFS is NOT perfect, its not a dreamboat in the technology department, but it hits the best medium, a strike between the two..
these bigg developers are interested in one thing... shifting vast amounts of copies for high prices, what LFS has sold since its payment release would make EA cry if they only sold that many in 24 hours!!!!!!!, they knock out MILLIONS, and they dont care that i have loads of games that i dont play anymore, cus they already have my money and are on the NEXT project, and buisy trying to get the next £50 out of my pocket,
if LFS dies, i dont really think the devs would turn round and say while rubbing there hands together "made a tidy penny out of that one heh? ok next game victor" your in a completly different area with LFS and thats why i love it, cus i know that the devs go to sleep at night thinking how to make LFS more enjoyable for US, not go to sleep thinking what rolls royce there gona buy the next day....
i see so many people whine about drivers for this, patches for that, cus the devs carnt be arsed to patch a fix, thats becasue you have paid you money and now they dont care, the only time they will is if its a pretty new product and it could cause them profit loss in the future for THAT product, once there new line come out there laughing all the way to the bank AGAIN.. thats just buisness with these big guys, and thats why these games "LFS" are special, and thats why ill be here for some time to come...
back to grafix, ok you may have a better rig than me and get 20000 FPS and there are a few on here that could handle LFS maxed out with killer grafix/sound and the finished article, BUT LFS WOULD DIE!!!!!!!, your gona get bored cus the player base has just been smashed to bitts, the devs carnt carry on cus there arnt enough people buying cus not enough can run it, LFS dies and thats FACT...
if you want high end this, high end that, go for it and best of luck to you, but i will put my house on it !!!!!!LFS will still give you best bang for ya buck!!!!!!,
im gona get off my box now
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ok the grafix thing, i wouldnt go as far as saying LFS's grafix are not good, there not bad and there not cutting edge,
yes i agree grafix sell games i said that in a earlyer post, ive fallen for it myself many times, but as i say there all gathering dust.
would it be nice to have LFS run top notch grafix with the same performance... sure it would but thats not going to happen, what LFS does does in the phisics department isnt even finished yet no where near, so throw all that in with kick ass grafix you got a race sim that performs like a brick..
all im trying to say is LFS has the right RATIO! its grafix decent the phisics are damn good so far, its netcode is out of this world, and its general engine is stupidly stable, you can tell a lot about a game just by looking at the "technical issues" forum, lfs's is pretty clean to 99% of games out there....
i do agree with the package thing though, its not just the phisics that make a sim, but again i thing LFS does a good all round package, the one sole thing i think lets LFS at this second is the SOUND, boy boy would it be xmas if that was patched up and brought up to scratch, i would say its the only thing that disapoints ME in LFS!
ok the grafix thing, i wouldnt go as far as saying LFS's grafix are not good, there not bad and there not cutting edge,
yes i agree grafix sell games i said that in a earlyer post, ive fallen for it myself many times, but as i say there all gathering dust.
would it be nice to have LFS run top notch grafix with the same performance... sure it would but thats not going to happen, what LFS does does in the phisics department isnt even finished yet no where near, so throw all that in with kick ass grafix you got a race sim that performs like a brick..
all im trying to say is LFS has the right RATIO! its grafix decent the phisics are damn good so far, its netcode is out of this world, and its general engine is stupidly stable, you can tell a lot about a game just by looking at the "technical issues" forum, lfs's is pretty clean to 99% of games out there....
i do agree with the package thing though, its not just the phisics that make a sim, but again i thing LFS does a good all round package, the one sole thing i think lets LFS at this second is the SOUND, boy boy would it be xmas if that was patched up and brought up to scratch, i would say its the only thing that disapoints ME in LFS!
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