have your setups gone bad since patch??
duno about you guys but most if not all me sets have gone out the window since the patch, the back end is all over the shop, obviously i have took into acount the new preload set that to "0" and the problem still persisted, played with it since patch and no joy..
the one thing that baffles me is i was getting a ton of oversteer on power on out of corners witch i obviously put down to the diff but on high speed (flat out) corners the back just lets go and violently at that.
i never stay with one setup anyway im always tweaking and after a while ill scrap the set and start again i find you learn more that way so im far from complaining more interested in why more than anything, ive basicly had to change all spring and shocker ratios just to keep it on the tarmac!..
anone alse found this?? and any therorys??
the one thing that baffles me is i was getting a ton of oversteer on power on out of corners witch i obviously put down to the diff but on high speed (flat out) corners the back just lets go and violently at that.
i never stay with one setup anyway im always tweaking and after a while ill scrap the set and start again i find you learn more that way so im far from complaining more interested in why more than anything, ive basicly had to change all spring and shocker ratios just to keep it on the tarmac!..
anone alse found this?? and any therorys??
yep i can race online fine, i can log into the forums fine but i try to log in at the LFS.net and no go and same with lfs world...
im gona try some of the above and if all else fails ill run round scawns and 3 in the morning and ask him to get me outa this wee jam
tnx fellas
i completly agree G-F and that is the problem, way to many people wollop on the downforce to hold the track, and then build the set from there, hence they eat tires and are generaly a pain to lap quickly, alll i was trying to say was IMO you should try and get every ounce of machanical grip out of the car before saying STUFF IT and pilling on the DF
... but i do agree with ya...carnt log in???
need a bitt of advice here chaps,
i carnt log into LFS on the main page plus i havent been able to log into LFS world for some time now...
i have had my UN/PW sent to me by email, so i know ive got the right PW info, funny thing is when i type in my UN then i type in PW but when i click enter or click the log in button more PW stars apear after my curser so its like when i hit enter to log in its putting my PW in AGAIN
any ideas, ive cleared cache but no go
tnx in advance
Gizzmo
i carnt log into LFS on the main page plus i havent been able to log into LFS world for some time now...
i have had my UN/PW sent to me by email, so i know ive got the right PW info, funny thing is when i type in my UN then i type in PW but when i click enter or click the log in button more PW stars apear after my curser so its like when i hit enter to log in its putting my PW in AGAIN
any ideas, ive cleared cache but no go tnx in advance
Gizzmo
without looking at it its hard to tell but 9x out of ten people use wat to mutch airo and push to one side the mecanical grip of the setup, i did a few laps with that combo last night for the first time and was getting low 1.2's still not hooking up in the final corner but handles like a dream and ive next to none airo , personly i only use airo as a last resort when im building a set, makes you squeeze every last drop of mechanical grip then.. but if your hitting 1.3 now you should be able to pull tha back witha little tweaking and just coarse practice..
im not the fastest on BL but my advice is set your dampers to have a good amount of OVERSTEER under breaking....
2nd thing getting the car stable at the apex (or before) is the main thing, more so than actual apex speed because if the car isnt stable at the apex its a animal to try and get the power down,
break around 70-65 (depending on set/breakpower) while slowly reducing the break turn into the apex, as the car will oversteer here you should find the car is pointing right into the mouth of the turn slowly bring power in, once you know the car is stable under power nail it to the chicane..
im still having problems over that little bump just after the apex still loosing traction there so im still tinkering ...
PB is 1.8.52 but thats hotlapping online im lucky to get 1.8.90
2nd thing getting the car stable at the apex (or before) is the main thing, more so than actual apex speed because if the car isnt stable at the apex its a animal to try and get the power down,
break around 70-65 (depending on set/breakpower) while slowly reducing the break turn into the apex, as the car will oversteer here you should find the car is pointing right into the mouth of the turn slowly bring power in, once you know the car is stable under power nail it to the chicane..
im still having problems over that little bump just after the apex
still loosing traction there so im still tinkering ...PB is 1.8.52 but thats hotlapping online im lucky to get 1.8.90
this is grate news, i thought this was well gone.. nice to see its still being worked on, all we have to do is convice you to leave home and give up your job and we wont have to wait for so long LOL...
keep us updated though m8
keep us updated though m8 even better mate the more drivers we get in here the better for all round, and i agree 100% dajmin, it would be grate to see that miday drop gone for ever, many a time ive thrown a sickie from work only to find the servers are near empty
... i never thought i would say this but we need more americans 
ya know we should think about launching our own publicty programes and really get this game rocking
PlusP....... great post and welcome to the family
this is a joke right??
if this was being sarcastic im sorry, otherwise they would still feck it up... this is why i NORMALY dislike these big companys BLOCKBUSTER games...
yes in a ideal world it would be posible but in this day and age were everyone is so friggin money hungry its near impossible for these big companys to do it let me explain...
lets take LFS basicly a group of guys get together and decide to design/produce a race sim, first thing to note is what they are setting out to do...
now i was not at the table when LFS was spawned but i bet "the most realistic race sim" flew across the table a few times, but the key here is SIMPLICITY!!!!!, they decided on what they wanted to produce and went at it, and i dont think they have even come close to what they WANT to acheive, ok its toned down a bit, there is more to it obviously but these BIG multi millon £/$ companys are sliiiiiiighty more complicated.....
before a game is drawn up there are several seperate buisiness at work before a line of code is writen, just to prove this take a look at the back of a box of say a EA game and just see how many company logo's are on there, i bet there are at least 4 or 5.... but for this example we will take just two...
1. development/(they actualy make the game and make there money from that)
2.production/sales (totaly different company but they make money from the game by the sales....
we have taken just 2 here but there are many more within this cycle, but before the dev company starts they want big sales so they pull in a big production/sales company, they sit down and discuss what the game will be, problem is these 2 different companys have completly different ideas on what will sell, the dev company may well want to put this and that into the game package but time is money with these companys so threre goes that idea, then the sales company has its own reasearch department that get tons of data on what sells games, cut a long story short we have several buisiness wanting to make a quick buck as fast as possible and there own ideas on how to acheive just that.. before you know it you have a awsome looking box, killer screenies and bam sales hitt the roof everyone is happy but the gamers after 3 weeks when they find out its a pile or horse droppings...
its the way the world is now i dont like it but hey i carnt change it, there wasw a time when jaguar was made by jaguar and lambo made by lambo now??? its all money no one care's what tripe is turned out as long as there is big $$$ at the end..
now small dev groups like this are a godsend if you ask me, they know what they want to do and they do it, and then sell it, SIMPLE! so in the buisiness world i would say BIG is not always the best way to go, just think only a small % of that 50/60 quid you just spent on that EA game goes to the actual dev company the rest is going in "other dirrections"...
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some have said "yea but the sound aint as good as it could be!" or " the cockpitts are not as good as they could be" i would agree 100% with these comments and the devs know it but some of you are forgeting one verry important issue, and that is THE DEVS ARE WORKING TO MAKE THESE AREA'S BETTER, stupid statment? well maybe but you buy a game off the shelf THATS WHAT YA GET! your lucky to get a patch that fixes BIG bugs like netcode crash or say big grafix crash problems, if they do knock out a big patch... (extra content) they very cleverly call it a ADDON witch means spending another £60 to carryon playing the same game... basicly they make the game sell it to some sucker and say "thats us thx for ya money im off thats all ya getting.."
LFS gave us s1 then S2 and in the future s3 now inbetween these we have IMO had some great patches, ..
this is where the downside come is with the smaller company's, manpower and time and hard cash to throw at the project, so we have to wait a little longer to get things updated or revamped, and IMO its a small price to pay, personly i dont feel like ive just brought a great sim i feel like ive brought INTO a great sim, i like talking with the comunity about how the game HAS AND WILL EVOLVE its awsome, the only games i play regular are games of this nature i play LFS and WW2OL and upon-till about 5 weeks back planeshift, all produced by small dev teams WWIIOL is a little larger but the system is still near enough the same....
last thing is this BALLANCE people are going on about and again i fully agree as i mentioned in my previouse post you have only so many "CREDITS" to use,
most big companys use 80% of these in the gfx department, LFS has found that ballance IMO, and again they deserve a medal for just that, WWIIOL had its arse ripped out for its DATED grafix which they was and still are but it offers so mutch more than that...
plus WWIIOL nearly flopped when it was released it was so bad but i was there from the start and for the players that belived this could be somthing special it grew and with more money coming in and time its evolved into just that, LFS had a way better start and thats why i believe what i said in my first post, if the devs continue the way they are LFS will be the PINICALE and a alltime classic....
im signing off as my KB just melted
regards Gizzmo
if this was being sarcastic im sorry, otherwise they would still feck it up... this is why i NORMALY dislike these big companys BLOCKBUSTER games...
yes in a ideal world it would be posible but in this day and age were everyone is so friggin money hungry its near impossible for these big companys to do it let me explain...
lets take LFS basicly a group of guys get together and decide to design/produce a race sim, first thing to note is what they are setting out to do...
now i was not at the table when LFS was spawned but i bet "the most realistic race sim" flew across the table a few times, but the key here is SIMPLICITY!!!!!, they decided on what they wanted to produce and went at it, and i dont think they have even come close to what they WANT to acheive, ok its toned down a bit, there is more to it obviously but these BIG multi millon £/$ companys are sliiiiiiighty more complicated.....
before a game is drawn up there are several seperate buisiness at work before a line of code is writen, just to prove this take a look at the back of a box of say a EA game and just see how many company logo's are on there, i bet there are at least 4 or 5.... but for this example we will take just two...
1. development/(they actualy make the game and make there money from that)
2.production/sales (totaly different company but they make money from the game by the sales....
we have taken just 2 here but there are many more within this cycle, but before the dev company starts they want big sales so they pull in a big production/sales company, they sit down and discuss what the game will be, problem is these 2 different companys have completly different ideas on what will sell, the dev company may well want to put this and that into the game package but time is money with these companys so threre goes that idea, then the sales company has its own reasearch department that get tons of data on what sells games, cut a long story short we have several buisiness wanting to make a quick buck as fast as possible and there own ideas on how to acheive just that.. before you know it you have a awsome looking box, killer screenies and bam sales hitt the roof everyone is happy but the gamers after 3 weeks when they find out its a pile or horse droppings...
its the way the world is now i dont like it but hey i carnt change it, there wasw a time when jaguar was made by jaguar and lambo made by lambo now??? its all money no one care's what tripe is turned out as long as there is big $$$ at the end..
now small dev groups like this are a godsend if you ask me, they know what they want to do and they do it, and then sell it, SIMPLE! so in the buisiness world i would say BIG is not always the best way to go, just think only a small % of that 50/60 quid you just spent on that EA game goes to the actual dev company the rest is going in "other dirrections"...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
some have said "yea but the sound aint as good as it could be!" or " the cockpitts are not as good as they could be" i would agree 100% with these comments and the devs know it but some of you are forgeting one verry important issue, and that is THE DEVS ARE WORKING TO MAKE THESE AREA'S BETTER, stupid statment? well maybe but you buy a game off the shelf THATS WHAT YA GET! your lucky to get a patch that fixes BIG bugs like netcode crash or say big grafix crash problems, if they do knock out a big patch... (extra content) they very cleverly call it a ADDON witch means spending another £60 to carryon playing the same game... basicly they make the game sell it to some sucker and say "thats us thx for ya money im off thats all ya getting.."
LFS gave us s1 then S2 and in the future s3 now inbetween these we have IMO had some great patches, ..
this is where the downside come is with the smaller company's, manpower and time and hard cash to throw at the project, so we have to wait a little longer to get things updated or revamped, and IMO its a small price to pay, personly i dont feel like ive just brought a great sim i feel like ive brought INTO a great sim, i like talking with the comunity about how the game HAS AND WILL EVOLVE its awsome, the only games i play regular are games of this nature i play LFS and WW2OL and upon-till about 5 weeks back planeshift, all produced by small dev teams WWIIOL is a little larger but the system is still near enough the same....
last thing is this BALLANCE people are going on about and again i fully agree as i mentioned in my previouse post you have only so many "CREDITS" to use,
most big companys use 80% of these in the gfx department, LFS has found that ballance IMO, and again they deserve a medal for just that, WWIIOL had its arse ripped out for its DATED grafix which they was and still are but it offers so mutch more than that...
plus WWIIOL nearly flopped when it was released it was so bad but i was there from the start and for the players that belived this could be somthing special it grew and with more money coming in and time its evolved into just that, LFS had a way better start and thats why i believe what i said in my first post, if the devs continue the way they are LFS will be the PINICALE and a alltime classic....
im signing off as my KB just melted
regards Gizzmo
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ive been trying not to get drawn into this topic but i carnt hold back ....
The only real way you can tell if LFS is getting old is when the # of racers drops off and all im seing IMO is growth, so that shoots that idea in the foot, a game (or anything else for that matter) can only grow if the market for that product is there, as far as LFS goes i think its more than there.
as for the game technology itself LFS was never "CUTTING EDGE" but this is where SO MANY games go wrong, yea we all like eye candy and TBH i dont think LFS disapoints, but games produced by all these big companys(cough EA cough) seem to think that eye candy is the be all and end all of a computer game, but then again they are just interested in selling millions of copies and don't give a flying (sensored) what people think after 2 weeks...
there has been a growth of games being produced by smaller independent dev teams and they are doing a way better job of it than all these big companys and you know why???? becasue they know what makes a great game and that is NOT KILLER GFX, ya see when developing a game the devs have a given space to work in as regards (AVERAGE) PC specs they have so many credits to work with and produce a game, MOst of the big companys spend 80% of those credits in the grafix department, looks great on the box but once you get used to the grafix you find there is no content,
the LFS devs on the other hand and used there noodle a bit more and actualy given us somthing to play not just look at, and for that they deserve a medal....
last thing to note is reliability and ease of use....
ive been in the web development world for a good few years now and one thing if you have to realise is (and is a fact) that if a webpage doesnt load within a given time period the viewer will more than lighty go to another site, especialy these days people are very impatiant, now just take a look at the Technical Assistance section of this forum and then go and check out one of the big EA games, ok you have to take into account the playerbase size but you can see where im going here, the big companys use the most demanding gfx engines known to man to give you those great looking games, you need a top end rig overclocked to near meltdown to get playable frames, if you have a AVERAGE rig your screwed and your £50 just flew out the window becasue the company says its playable on a cirix 386 with 12 mb ram and a 4 mb 3d card
illepall ....
but even if you do get it to run you have to fight your way through the many bugs (in a retail game) and do you think you can get help off the company when THERE product just doesnt work.... i let you answer that one...
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so in short what do we have here with LFS??
Decent grafix that "WORK"
Content that continues to keep delivering
The best netcode ive ever seen in a race sim
a Dev team thats there for there customers and continues to privide regular quality updates..
a great comunity thats not moded by complete anals
and mutch more and all for 20 sheckles???
so is LFS getting old? i thinks its just starting, if this was a EA game i promise you it would be gathering dust on some top shelf with the rest of the money wasters... in years to come im positive that if the devs continue with this the way they are LFS will still be going strong -er) and will be a classic,..
i say lets enjoy being part of this becasue you dont get this happen very offten in this day and age....
long live LFS
....The only real way you can tell if LFS is getting old is when the # of racers drops off and all im seing IMO is growth, so that shoots that idea in the foot, a game (or anything else for that matter) can only grow if the market for that product is there, as far as LFS goes i think its more than there.
as for the game technology itself LFS was never "CUTTING EDGE" but this is where SO MANY games go wrong, yea we all like eye candy and TBH i dont think LFS disapoints, but games produced by all these big companys(cough EA cough) seem to think that eye candy is the be all and end all of a computer game, but then again they are just interested in selling millions of copies and don't give a flying (sensored) what people think after 2 weeks...
there has been a growth of games being produced by smaller independent dev teams and they are doing a way better job of it than all these big companys and you know why???? becasue they know what makes a great game and that is NOT KILLER GFX, ya see when developing a game the devs have a given space to work in as regards (AVERAGE) PC specs they have so many credits to work with and produce a game, MOst of the big companys spend 80% of those credits in the grafix department, looks great on the box but once you get used to the grafix you find there is no content,
the LFS devs on the other hand and used there noodle a bit more and actualy given us somthing to play not just look at, and for that they deserve a medal....
last thing to note is reliability and ease of use....
ive been in the web development world for a good few years now and one thing if you have to realise is (and is a fact) that if a webpage doesnt load within a given time period the viewer will more than lighty go to another site, especialy these days people are very impatiant, now just take a look at the Technical Assistance section of this forum and then go and check out one of the big EA games, ok you have to take into account the playerbase size but you can see where im going here, the big companys use the most demanding gfx engines known to man to give you those great looking games, you need a top end rig overclocked to near meltdown to get playable frames, if you have a AVERAGE rig your screwed and your £50 just flew out the window becasue the company says its playable on a cirix 386 with 12 mb ram and a 4 mb 3d card
illepall ....but even if you do get it to run you have to fight your way through the many bugs (in a retail game) and do you think you can get help off the company when THERE product just doesnt work.... i let you answer that one...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
so in short what do we have here with LFS??
Decent grafix that "WORK"
Content that continues to keep delivering
The best netcode ive ever seen in a race sim
a Dev team thats there for there customers and continues to privide regular quality updates..
a great comunity thats not moded by complete anals
and mutch more and all for 20 sheckles???
so is LFS getting old? i thinks its just starting, if this was a EA game i promise you it would be gathering dust on some top shelf with the rest of the money wasters... in years to come im positive that if the devs continue with this the way they are LFS will still be going strong -er) and will be a classic,..
i say lets enjoy being part of this becasue you dont get this happen very offten in this day and age....
long live LFS
well acording to this post we are ALL freaks car nutcases call it what ya will .... baaa who cares i love it ...
car nutcases call it what ya will .... baaa who cares i love it ...twas just a little bitt of humour forbin to lighten up a bad topic ...
ill just sit up in this corner
i personly hate the oval but thats just IMO, although i love Blackwood, i love a change more than anyone but blackwood is a supper little track be nice if it was a bit bigger but still a good track, i like the elivation changes in it good for setup tweeking
although i do agree with the posts here i think there is a more important reason....
if you race a lot in anygame you become used to the speed, i remember when we got the V8 i couldnt wait to get my paws on it, being used to racing GTR's i grabed the v8 for the first time and took it on Blackwood, once clear of the chicane in t1 i let her go and near shat my self i had to stop half way down the strait to gather my thoughts
.... now i race the bf1 a lot and it dont seem that quick, your mind adjusts to the speed it has to or we would but creeping round the track.....
thats just my opinion anyway so flame away
if you race a lot in anygame you become used to the speed, i remember when we got the V8 i couldnt wait to get my paws on it, being used to racing GTR's i grabed the v8 for the first time and took it on Blackwood, once clear of the chicane in t1 i let her go and near shat my self i had to stop half way down the strait to gather my thoughts
.... now i race the bf1 a lot and it dont seem that quick, your mind adjusts to the speed it has to or we would but creeping round the track.....thats just my opinion anyway so flame away
ok it really doesnt get any more simple...
you buy the game (S2 is about 20 quid if i remeber right) you get a a WEB USER NAME and pw and a game USER NAME AND PASSWORD...
witch means that i can log onto the web with my work PC (never saw a game in its life im sorry to say) and log into the LFS forums with my WEB username and password..... so if you have paid you can log onto the forums at home or if you like log on with another computer the otherside of the plannet if you have PAID!...
20 quid for the best race sim to ever hit the market? i bet you have at least 1 EA game so if you can give ya hard earned cash to those blood sucking (sensored for public viewing) i think you can find it in you to support a team who actualy listen and care about there customers...
its 20 quid damnit and you dont just get this awsome game you get to talk to ME!!!!!!!! and forbin ofcorse but he charges ....
you buy the game (S2 is about 20 quid if i remeber right) you get a a WEB USER NAME and pw and a game USER NAME AND PASSWORD...
witch means that i can log onto the web with my work PC (never saw a game in its life im sorry to say) and log into the LFS forums with my WEB username and password..... so if you have paid you can log onto the forums at home or if you like log on with another computer the otherside of the plannet if you have PAID!...
20 quid for the best race sim to ever hit the market? i bet you have at least 1 EA game so if you can give ya hard earned cash to those blood sucking (sensored for public viewing) i think you can find it in you to support a team who actualy listen and care about there customers...
its 20 quid damnit and you dont just get this awsome game you get to talk to ME!!!!!!!!
and forbin ofcorse but he charges ....make the most of it mate take it from me as i kid i was a aircraft and car nutcase and still am, i was the quiet one too quite happy tinkering with cars and wotnot but you see wemen are very calculated and to cut a long story short they will get you in the end, im married with 2 kids now..
make the most of it because soon enough money and time will be going other places (by demand i might add )
but as for near future addvice if you see a female taking interest run for the hills if you get cornered just talk about engines for an hour, explain how to change the crank on your toyota or somthing and how mutch torqe you have at the wheels now you upgraded the diff, that normaly works, but sooner or later they will get ya i carnt give advice there becasue there like sharks they get while your not paying attention...
best regards and good luck...
This post was NOT posted by Gizz but a friend,, Gizz loves his wife and would not change it. 
:heyjoe67_ :rally_dri
"gizz runs"
make the most of it because soon enough money and time will be going other places (by demand i might add
)but as for near future addvice if you see a female taking interest run for the hills if you get cornered just talk about engines for an hour, explain how to change the crank on your toyota or somthing and how mutch torqe you have at the wheels now you upgraded the diff, that normaly works, but sooner or later they will get ya i carnt give advice there becasue there like sharks they get while your not paying attention...
best regards and good luck...
This post was NOT posted by Gizz but a friend,, Gizz loves his wife and would not change it.
:heyjoe67_ :rally_dri "gizz runs"
you know bob somtimes i really hate you! it is late ya know gimi some slack ..... sooooorrrryy yes as the big man says reduce it
"sneaks out".....
"falls over bobs trailing leg"
it is late ya know gimi some slack ..... sooooorrrryy yes as the big man says reduce it"sneaks out".....
"falls over bobs trailing leg"
they look fine to me the outside will always be cooler becasue your spending less time there... for what i can see they are fine how many laps had you done and on what track??....
if u wanted to though you could adjust
camber (take it off)
caster (add it)
tire psi (lower it)
suspension stiffness (softer)
everthing will in one way or another efect tire temps and heating patterns but you could destroy your set if your not carefull, the obove will are just the main ones..
personly unless you NEED to change those for handling reasons i wouldnt be worried out em they look pretty good here..
EDIT.....
duno what happed but first time i looked i only saw the leftside :0..... again depending on # of laps you may want to drop the psi on the right a tad to bring the right upto optimum temp a bit quicker .... if thats blackwood i do this on my set left and right side heat up together nicely...
if u wanted to though you could adjust
camber (take it off)
caster (add it)
tire psi (lower it)
suspension stiffness (softer)
everthing will in one way or another efect tire temps and heating patterns but you could destroy your set if your not carefull, the obove will are just the main ones..
personly unless you NEED to change those for handling reasons i wouldnt be worried out em they look pretty good here..
EDIT.....
duno what happed but first time i looked i only saw the leftside :0..... again depending on # of laps you may want to drop the psi on the right a tad to bring the right upto optimum temp a bit quicker .... if thats blackwood i do this on my set left and right side heat up together nicely...
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hehehe tell me about it, last night was a bit insane, best i managed last night was low nines the trafic was like london in rush hour .... lots of new drivers quietly doing 1.11's and some dangerouse apex speeds so it was near impossible to lap consistently....
although i have scraped my old set and stated another because i wanted to try and cut off as mutch downforce as possible, still problems with it but its been a good learning proccess squeezing as mutch mechanical grip out of the chasis as possible, its so easy just to add a bit of front or rear downforce but made myself not touch the downforce, best so far is a 1.8.77 but thats hotlaping offline i just about got into the 8's lastnight but its understearing in the chicane after t2, tire are a little warm to but running the low downforce i kind of expected that, im not after WR speeds anyway its basicly just experimenting and what not...
hope the track is a bitt clearer tonight and hope to see you on there
.... lots of new drivers quietly doing 1.11's and some dangerouse apex speeds so it was near impossible to lap consistently....although i have scraped my old set and stated another because i wanted to try and cut off as mutch downforce as possible, still problems with it but its been a good learning proccess squeezing as mutch mechanical grip out of the chasis as possible, its so easy just to add a bit of front or rear downforce but made myself not touch the downforce, best so far is a 1.8.77 but thats hotlaping offline i just about got into the 8's lastnight but its understearing in the chicane after t2, tire are a little warm to but running the low downforce i kind of expected that, im not after WR speeds anyway its basicly just experimenting and what not...
hope the track is a bitt clearer tonight and hope to see you on there
glad you found some of it usefull...
i always race under Gizz, fir the past 2 wks ive been on R-R BL1 FOX i think i saw you last night but i knocked off early
hope to see you on there tonight m8
as for the tutorial it gives you the basic ideas of the car setup but you realy need to get to grips with the setup analizer and get ya hands dirty just enjoy it if we were all doing WR laps in the first day with a given combo car/track we wouldnt be here...
regards Gizz
i always race under Gizz, fir the past 2 wks ive been on R-R BL1 FOX i think i saw you last night but i knocked off early
hope to see you on there tonight m8
as for the tutorial it gives you the basic ideas of the car setup but you realy need to get to grips with the setup analizer and get ya hands dirty just enjoy it if we were all doing WR laps in the first day with a given combo car/track we wouldnt be here...
regards Gizz
BHS after reading my previouse post i come over as all anti ask for a setup or dont play untill you know what this means, for this im sorry 
maybe i should have read the thread a little more before opening the old pie hole
ive only just recently started racing the FOX and the first thing i did was ask for a set so i could use it as a benchmark, then after a few laps i start molding the set into somthing that works with my style (if you can call it that )
if its learing how to setup your own car (wich i HIGHLY recomend) then if you havent already got them go get the setup analizer and read the the setup tutorial from the floating widget, a must have for anyone doing there own setups, as im racing the FOX for a few weeks PM me if you like and ill try to help you on the track and on the setup side...
regards gizz
maybe i should have read the thread a little more before opening the old pie hole ive only just recently started racing the FOX and the first thing i did was ask for a set so i could use it as a benchmark, then after a few laps i start molding the set into somthing that works with my style (if you can call it that
)if its learing how to setup your own car (wich i HIGHLY recomend) then if you havent already got them go get the setup analizer and read the the setup tutorial from the floating widget, a must have for anyone doing there own setups, as im racing the FOX for a few weeks PM me if you like and ill try to help you on the track and on the setup side...
regards gizz
Personly i find near 0 use for locked or open diffs, either visc or lsd are the way to go although i only driver BF1/FOX/FV8 ...
to answer your question yes the the locked diff is better on breaking and entry becasue the drive wheels must rotate at the same speed so the car breaks better nad is generaly more stable on entry ats after you will get problems like said above in power out and nuetrel roll...
to answer your question yes the the locked diff is better on breaking and entry becasue the drive wheels must rotate at the same speed so the car breaks better nad is generaly more stable on entry ats after you will get problems like said above in power out and nuetrel roll...
im probably going to get ripped to bitts here but this is my advice...
1. no driver drives the same EVER, your driving style is like a fingerprint, you may drive similar to someone else and if you watched a replay you may be hard pushed to find a difference but the car will handle differently...
2. a setup only ENHANCES your driving or lap times, if i see another new driver ask the fastest guy on the server for his setup again im going to cry, if you think that your going to go from a 1.10 to 1.8 or even a low 1.9 because of a setup think again if this was the case we would all be driving along fernando alonso earning 5 million a year..
3.the setup of a car is very touchy what i mean is you change 1 thing it effects another, so putting together several sets its just gona send you backwards...
now ill admit i havent read all the posts here so i may be cover stuff already said and so on...
You carnt be fast if you dont know how to use/drive the car no setup can take away the need for driving experience, some people have posted here saying they have tried your set and said it was better than theirs or have done half decent times with it in just a few laps, this is because they know how to drive the car, if we take BL1 with FOX a good driver can do a 1.10 or even a mid 1.9 with ANY set simply because they 1. know the track inside out and 2. have the experience to adapt..
ok so here is my advice
grab a set that is STABLE! hence it doest kill you if you put a foot wrong or miss an apex, (the easy drive setup pack is great for this) dont go ask drivers that are doing silly times or even mildly quick times it wont work.... once you have your set FORGET ABOUT SETUPS, either online or offline (they both have there advantages) just keep lapping and lapping as you have already found you will hit the bar where you can find no more time to shave off Everyone has this its just what we do abou it that counts....
watch other drivers in replays or online that are slightly faster than you 1 sec MAX! if you start watching guys doing 1.7's you will learn nothing, so if your PB is 1.9.50 find a replay or a online driver doing 1.8's watch him over and over notice the lines hes taking and were he puts the power down also where he breaks, although there are so many variables in the breaking department its less of a issue when watching someone, due to setup and driver style, the main things your looking for are the race line, where they/if they hit a given apex and finaly where they apply the power, but without doupt race line is the main thing, it may only be a small difference but that can gain you valuable 10th's...
2nd thing is wich if you want to be fast (competative is a better word IMO) you NEED to know how and why the car does what it does, hence lean the basics of a car setup, as i say above this come after you have learned how to drive, once you have done that while lapping you will start ......err making friends with the car I.E you will notice that the car doesnt want to do that, basicly you will learn how to recive feedback from the car, you will take a turn and say to yourself "its understearing badly when i turn in badly" so then once you know what makes the car understear/oversteer on turning in you can simply pitt adjust and try again, once you have fixed that you may notice that on that same turn your overstearing on exit and loosing time, so once again you adjust and
test, before you know it your knocking 10ths of all over the shop, once you hitt the bar again you start the proccess again... its just the way it works, you canot go from 1.9 to 1.7 in 1 sesion or a twidle of the setup thats the fun of this game IMO....
as a E.G a guy was asking for help on a server the other day, so i spent the night with him helping him, his first BIG mistake was he was using a set capable of silly times and he was using a game pad! hence he was spining out in EVERY TURN, i watched him lap and together we came up with a banchmark setup then we went through racing lines power on points and so on, when we first met he was doing 1.10's "BL1 FOX" after a night of a setup revamp and HIM LEARNING HOW TO DRIVE the next day he comes on doing low 1.9s every lap, in 24 hours i think thats pretty good and so hear his times have tumbled again...
so please dont be one of these people that race on super fast sets who carnt handle them taking out half the cars in the race, and expect to be competative with the guy you had the set off i will put my full years wages on it that its impossible, being fast comes in stages some people progress faster than others but its still the same for who ever you are...
good luck and enjoy learning this awsome game, hope i havent bored you to death and hope it helps
regards Gizzmo
1. no driver drives the same EVER, your driving style is like a fingerprint, you may drive similar to someone else and if you watched a replay you may be hard pushed to find a difference but the car will handle differently...
2. a setup only ENHANCES your driving or lap times, if i see another new driver ask the fastest guy on the server for his setup again im going to cry, if you think that your going to go from a 1.10 to 1.8 or even a low 1.9 because of a setup think again if this was the case we would all be driving along fernando alonso earning 5 million a year..
3.the setup of a car is very touchy what i mean is you change 1 thing it effects another, so putting together several sets its just gona send you backwards...
now ill admit i havent read all the posts here so i may be cover stuff already said and so on...
You carnt be fast if you dont know how to use/drive the car no setup can take away the need for driving experience, some people have posted here saying they have tried your set and said it was better than theirs or have done half decent times with it in just a few laps, this is because they know how to drive the car, if we take BL1 with FOX a good driver can do a 1.10 or even a mid 1.9 with ANY set simply because they 1. know the track inside out and 2. have the experience to adapt..
ok so here is my advice
grab a set that is STABLE! hence it doest kill you if you put a foot wrong or miss an apex, (the easy drive setup pack is great for this) dont go ask drivers that are doing silly times or even mildly quick times it wont work.... once you have your set FORGET ABOUT SETUPS, either online or offline (they both have there advantages) just keep lapping and lapping as you have already found you will hit the bar where you can find no more time to shave off Everyone has this its just what we do abou it that counts....
watch other drivers in replays or online that are slightly faster than you 1 sec MAX! if you start watching guys doing 1.7's you will learn nothing, so if your PB is 1.9.50 find a replay or a online driver doing 1.8's watch him over and over notice the lines hes taking and were he puts the power down also where he breaks, although there are so many variables in the breaking department its less of a issue when watching someone, due to setup and driver style, the main things your looking for are the race line, where they/if they hit a given apex and finaly where they apply the power, but without doupt race line is the main thing, it may only be a small difference but that can gain you valuable 10th's...
2nd thing is wich if you want to be fast (competative is a better word IMO) you NEED to know how and why the car does what it does, hence lean the basics of a car setup, as i say above this come after you have learned how to drive, once you have done that while lapping you will start ......err making friends with the car
I.E you will notice that the car doesnt want to do that, basicly you will learn how to recive feedback from the car, you will take a turn and say to yourself "its understearing badly when i turn in badly" so then once you know what makes the car understear/oversteer on turning in you can simply pitt adjust and try again, once you have fixed that you may notice that on that same turn your overstearing on exit and loosing time, so once again you adjust and test, before you know it your knocking 10ths of all over the shop, once you hitt the bar again you start the proccess again... its just the way it works, you canot go from 1.9 to 1.7 in 1 sesion or a twidle of the setup thats the fun of this game IMO....
as a E.G a guy was asking for help on a server the other day, so i spent the night with him helping him, his first BIG mistake was he was using a set capable of silly times and he was using a game pad! hence he was spining out in EVERY TURN, i watched him lap and together we came up with a banchmark setup then we went through racing lines power on points and so on, when we first met he was doing 1.10's "BL1 FOX" after a night of a setup revamp and HIM LEARNING HOW TO DRIVE the next day he comes on doing low 1.9s every lap, in 24 hours i think thats pretty good and so hear his times have tumbled again...
so please dont be one of these people that race on super fast sets who carnt handle them taking out half the cars in the race, and expect to be competative with the guy you had the set off i will put my full years wages on it that its impossible, being fast comes in stages some people progress faster than others but its still the same for who ever you are...
good luck and enjoy learning this awsome game, hope i havent bored you to death and hope it helps
regards Gizzmo
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