:sheep: :munching_

chears m8 i was afraid you would say that aah well worth a try


tnx again

you mension a DLL? in the missing files there are only .bat files and ocx files no dll's am i missing somthing ?? (i normaly am like the apex )


tnx bob

bob!!

im on win98SE and and when i try to open the program it gives me the following....

runtime error out of memory '-2147024882(8007000e)'

any ideas m8??

i want to edit the treering wheel on the fo8 can this be done? i have tried editing what i thought to be the file but no luck?? can this be done?

i was thinking today (yes it did hurt ) about this problem with the wreckers and this is what i have come up with...

a mandatory vote system

ok this is the idea (clears throte)

at the end of every race before a restart can take place a vote screen comes up with all the drivers that took part in the race (no matter if they did one lap or completed the race) by the side of every name you have 3 voting option,

1. good
2. neutral
3. bad

you vote for all the drivers that took part in the race, once thats done its buisness as usual...

now for a "good" vote a player would recive 2 points...
for a "neutral" vote a player would get 1 point....
for a "bad" vote a player would have 3 points deducted...

these points would be kept and saved with your online record, now for the next bit..

in the server set section you can specify how many point a driver needs to enter the server, so just for the sake of it..

extremeservers#1 may set a point score rule of 20 points, meaning anydriver that wants to join must have at least 20 (good behaviour) points if not the server refuses the connection...

now if this was to be implemented all drivers start out with a a iven number of drivers points lets just say 50 points? so on the first day most servers set to say 40/50 points that means anyone can join in the "first race" as we all have 50 points, but lets just say i join a server with 10 drivers in and im a wrecker or stupid fool (if there is a difference) at the end of the race lets say 8 drivers give me a bad vote i LOOSE a whoping "24 points" if i get 8 good votes and 2 neutral votes i recive 18 points, for being a good boy ....

then if the devs would put a gragh on LFS world to show the points of drivers admins would have a scale to by on the amount of points to run there servers on...

so if the EVERAGE points for drivers was say 200pts and the top end was 300pts admins who wanted a good racing server with GOOD drivers could run there server on a 250 point system, so only drvers with 250 points can connect.

this means that if your a good driver you have nothing to worry about the fools will be fighting to find a server and will be racing with other trogs of the same mentalitly, we could even go as (if posible) that in the server setup options you have a option bar that goes from "complete jerks" to "good racers" i you set the bar half way between the 2 it auto checks the lfs servers to find out what the points is for that...

so lets say the lowest everage for points -100pts the the mid average is 400pts and the top average is 800pts setting the bar in the server admin panel to around half way would check the server and if the values were as above would set the points needed to enter that server to around 400pts

this just means that once set the server would constantly be checking for the new values and admins would not have to change the points every day to keep up with the good behavior gragh....

just a thought....

well im pleased this post as helped a few of you, if i get time in the next few days ill post a few pointers to get you guys started on your setups (ill post that in the setup forum though)...

thisnameistaken

I have seen people on the forums give tire pressure guides but personly there isnt one in my opinion, there are so many other things that effect it, the largest is obviously the track your running the setup on!, just a VERY simple example here, if your running a track with a lot of low speed corners (heavy breaking/high traction exits) i would MORE THAN LIGHTLY run low"er" pressures, but i only race the FO8 so things might be a little different on the other cars.. for a high speed track with high speed corners the tires are going to get worm pretty quick so i may run higher pressures...

but really there way to many things that dictate this to say with any accuracy, another is your driving style, if your a smooth driver you will set your car up for that type drive but there is soooo mutch, i have just tried my WestHill setup (fo8) with a heavy fuel load, and to be honest ive been lucky as its drives just as smooth with no nasty habits but belive me there aint many times that happens normaly you hve to go back through and adjust everyhting up a few notches so yu get a good medium thats why i suggest you always set the car up from the start with a medium fuel load so when your done it should be pretty good at both ends of the spectrum ...

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What a sweet image...

LMAO

Damn you bob!!

i was reading your post and the way you were going i was going to ask "isnt it a medium between top speed and corner exit speed" but you covered that in the end of your post so im going to shut up now and just follow you round the forum like a lost sheep with no parents

if the wife reads that i wont see another day :bowdown: :bath:

you would ask about gearing wouldnt ya

im still learning in that department look in the setup forum for the gear ratio calc, i think its on bob site/sig as far as im concerned there are way to many gearing vairiables to answer that question, but as a very simple rule of thumb and i mean simple yes your right, if your going for top spead the top end will be geard very low ...

overdoing it as you put it basicly means you wont get out of say 4th/5th gear so you have to juggle it about, thats what im going to be working on with my setups in the next week or so to try shave a few tenths!! all this for a few damn tenths! hasnt anyone got any LFS cheats!!!! hehehe

Quote from tristancliffe :

In my limited experience, Westhill FO8 is the hardest to setup. So many corners are flat or very very near flat. You can't have much understeer, but any oversteer tends to snap the car round, especially at T2 as it goes over the crest.

Maybe it's just my limited setup ability, but thats by far my worse setup track.

you dont know how glad i am to hear you say that

months and i mean months i have been working on it, actualy i chose the track to start with when s2 was released as i thought it looked one of the easyest ones, how wrong can you be!...

i had the car setup severel times running decent lap times but even held back and did 1.28 the right front tire was burning up after 4 laps i tried all sorts to get it to saty cool but still offer the amount of grip needed for t2, its only been the last 2 weeks or so i have FINALY cracked it 10 laps now and the front right starts to get worm but i lay of and a couple of laps at say the mid 1.27 and im good to go again, im getting 1.26 prety consistant now and considering its only a few seconds of the WR and and thats my race pace its actualy very competative, all im worried about now is heavy fuel loads and what efect thats going to have in the longer races, but come 20 laps the tires are little warm and thin on the old rubber so i probably wont be carrying more than 30% fuel anyways....

but your right its a bugger of a track to setup for..... pretty pleased now though

funny this thread poping up as just last night i was tweaking my WH set for the FO8 i thought about raising the pressure in left front i raised it by couple of psi and OMG! it was a completly different car 1 tire with raised pressure opened up a new bag of problems, it was wild understeering in the long sweeping bends and oversteering in the slow tight turns, i quickly droped the pressure again...

but with tire pressures on the whole i tend to dial it back out with role bars anyway but you know what its like change one thing and boom it opens other doors

hehehe awsome post.....


look guys ya got it all wrong you gota draw this out a little bit more...

if they ask just wipe you brow put you glass down and say "nearly died thats what" that will spark the interest and soften em up, the you proceed after they ask in shock "what do you mean"...

"well i race (insert you car) you see and nearly got kiled doing it today, i need another job (shake head)" then they come back with " omg really? what happened?" then the fun begins....

"well i wont bore you with the technical side, but basicly we strugled all week end with the car setup, it was lap 15 of the 4 round and the back was comming round on me in every corner, and let me tell you at 150MPH you dont want that, ANYWAy (slight sigh) i was strugling to keep my 4th place the car was all over the track, then it happend 170 mph! into shavers corner (cough) the right rear tire exploded from then on i was just a passenger, race control said i hit the concrete wall at somthing in the region of 140 mph, after i came to rest i was pulled from the car then i ran strait back to pits jumped into my second car, the boss tried to stop me but its the driver in me ya know?, well i managed to catch the rest up and unfortunatly only managed a 2nd place with 2 seconds behind the leader, so a bad day really. (shake head and let out a puff/sign) but atleast im still in good shape to win the championship so its not all bad.... so enough about me what about you....."

but ofcorse im married so i none of that aplies to me as if my missus smells another female within 100 yds of me im wishing i was wearing a helmit, i tell ta sadam's got nothing on her

all grate advice, i race the FO8 99.99% of the time and we get a lot of "speed demons" trying to race through the pack and lots of t1 pile ups...

you carnt change the minds of these idiotic drivers so we have to think round em... personly if im just racing for fun i love t1 pileups becasue if up front i can get away maybe with 2 other cars and race them but if im low on the grid i just hold back (sometimes even throw the pit limiter on ) ROF/LMAO at the carnage unfolding infront watch the foul text mesages role and i just cruse through and pick up 10 place, its grate way to end a hard days work

while in the race and your chasing someone down take your time and remember unless they are a well veted driver they will be watching you in the mirror more than the track and worrying so its only a matter of time before they miss there breaking point and have a date with the barrier

as for people going into the back of you well there has been a few posts on this on who is to blame, personly unless you throw the brakes on a strait (wich is your fault) then its the responsability of the following driver, if im following a unknown driver i will never enter the turn directly behind as you never know what they are going to do, so if they do throw the anchor early instead of a pile up you get a easy pass, i only race close to drivers i have raced with on a given track many times and know there breaking habits, then i can follow within a few feet but on pub servers that few and far between...

Last edited by Gizz, Tue 13 Sep 2005, 13:07.

Well i was actualy expecting to be flamed and kicked out the "LFS CLUB" for posting this topic, so having some of the best drivers come in here and back it up was a nice suprise

steini..

That is actualy a good question, personly i dont advise it at all, that is use anyone elses set BUT please bear in mind thats just my sugestion to you not a rule..

yes i have have recived sets from other drivers and not one worked for me, BUT what they are good for is looking at how they have set up the car, you would be suprised at what you learn from that alone...

the reason i dont like using other drivers sets is that the change from set to set is so diverse, yu can go from a setup wich has a good amount of understeer to a set that will swap ands on you in a flash and if you dont know what causes this in a set then you carnt do much about it, plus you will (promise ya) be jumping from set to set hoping to find one that suits you, and to be honest the chances are slim..

as i said stick with a set and lap lap lap and lap some more, once you are lapping near every lap perfectly and getting consistent times then you can think about your setup, now go into the garage select the set you have been using then under the sets list select "new" and name it, this new set will be identicle to the set you have been learning on as it was selected...

now you know whats comming next... lap some more only this time you should know the car well enough and the track to find the points were you think the car is finding it tough, i almost always set my brakes up first and this has been known to take me 50 laps, some drivers dont look on brakes as a big thing to set up but i do as you get it wrong you will have tire temp problems latter and lets face it bracking is were you loose the most time if your not on the ball...

i could go on for days here so get as much info on seting up YOUR OWN car, make small adjustmets and do a few laps forget about times for now FEEL the car and feel the changes, ask for advice on the setup forum i learnt a shed load off the LFS RSC forums, it takes time but stick with it, myself personly have only worked on 3-4 sets the longest one in the making was westhill, months i have been tweaking it, now i can do low 1.26's nearly every lap high 1.25's if i push and its doing 20 laps before i need to change the tires, online its more than competative and its not a handfull to drive.. ("times are with the FO8 as thats all i race really)

its way more fun to setup your own race car and if you dont i think you are missing out on half of the awsome sim., there are lots of realy good drivers on here who are always happy to help the new driver, go for it m8....

i haven't been on these forums for a while due to the amount of time iv been spending driving but there still seems to be a this thing with set-ups and several posts on this set-up phanonama that has reared its ugly head...



im not the fastest of drivers nor am i the "set-up kiddie" but im going to try and answer a few things for the guys with questions.....

This is not a set-up guide its just a basic guide to maybe help the newer drivers along and show them where to start chopping there lap times up.



before we start here a few simple rules....





1} Set-ups will not make a new driver a WR holder

2} if you cant drive the "track" the set-up of the car will be useless.

3} pick a set and stay with that set....



ok #1 is for the new drivers (and this is not a flame to the new guys) that think that a set-up will make them top dog on the track, there are a lot more important variables before a set-up is able to do its thing...



#2 is one of those variables, learn the track and learn it some more and then some more, i have been testing at westill for weeks and im still not as familiar with it as i want to be..



#3 this is where we can begin to climb our way up the lap times ladder, i really cant stress this enough, either stick with the default sets or go and download the "easy to drive" sets from the set-up forum.... then STICK WITH IT...... forget the car and concentrate on the track, just tell yourself that set-ups are not ingame yet and learn the track...



a lot of people are saying that they are faster when they do a few cool off laps than when they are pushing.., well all i can say there is watch a SPR of you do lap wile pushing and a lap with not pushing to the max, i bet you find while pushing your locking up the brakes at least 30% more than usual plus the car looks very twitchy and the your lines will be all over the shop., only over time will find the limit of the car/track.. but what ever you do STICK WITH THAT SET!!, i know its frustrating when you a massive 7 seconds of the pace but we all was even the fastest guys and if they say they nver was then they are lying...



get those laps smooth the more you turn that wheel the slower you will be going that's where we get the line from, getting round the turn with the most speed and less steering, this will save you a lot of time latter when you start doing your own sets and your tires are on fire after 2 laps, so smoothen out those laps, just remember if you are holding your breath going into a turn so are your tires..



next thing is (on the tighter turns) slow in fast out, if you fly into a turn at 100mph skidding off the line the nose of your car is now in the wrong place meaning you have to correct that and cant get the power down, once you have got that then you can "begin" find the medium of "speed and position" in that turn, that is the highest speed you can enter the turn without compromising you position on the exit and being able to get the all important power down, remember that if you cant get the power down were you should be you will carry that loss of speed all the way to the next corner...



ok so once you have lapped and lapped and can basically do a decent time with your eyes closed you have to work on consistency, in a race 1 or 2 super fast laps means nothing consistency means everything, i see some driver on server doing say a few high 1.24's and in between those making more mistakes than bush the fast guys can do mid 1.25s low 26's every lap that's a fast driver... get those breaking points inch perfect same with strearing and power down points...



NOW AND ONLY NOW are you ready for the word "set-up", and i strongly advise you learn the basics of setting up a car and tweaking with it your self, because as its been said a million nd one time on here before we all drive different, so one set will not produce the same times for any 2 drivers, even the best!...



this is where you can start stripping tenth's of your PB and its a longer road than the one above get as much info on setting up your car and test test test...



last thing WR SETS.....



i see sooo many drivers running "races" on WR sets.... PLEASE don't do this are you will soon find yourself in the tire wall on lap 3, WR sets are just that, and they are set-up in such a way that they are only made to run 2/3 laps max! this is because the set-up "usually" eats tires so they can get round in the fastest time and throw the car into turns at silly speeds, this is all well and good until it comes to race 3 laps and you have to pit... plus the cars are normally set to be very unstable again not going to get you that win... and remember its someone else's set once again, it fitted there driving style not yours!...



hope this helps a little bit..

thats a hell of a lot of pitstops folks :bounce8:

not sure but dont you have to highlight the setting you want to change then "hitt enter" then change with the left/right arrows?

?

its funny this post turned up because i was OFFLINE playing with the setup on v8 on AShistoric when going through T2 the car just wnt nuts, now i have had the car give out here many times and had some massive spins but this was like someone nailed my back end.....


could have just been a bad spin but iv never spun like that before..... strange....

you know i could have sworn he said he didnt have s2? webservers must be playing up

another not lfs related but......... ok so shoot me

just a quickie