The answer is not just improved safty, it's as much about the driver's aggression and the risks he takes.

Peter Brock was clinical in his racing and rarely had crashes but even he died because he took a risk he shouldn't have It wasn't the tracks fault or the cars. If a track is dangerous the driver makes a judgment call. When tracks or cars are seriously dangerous you would hear alot of drivers viocing their opinions. In this case at Adelaide you don't hear drivers saying that corner is too dangerous.

Quote from axus :

Todd and Gregor Veble have already beaten me to it. Now we just need to get our hands on some of their work.

Hmm with your contacts that should be a sinch

I wondered why you had changed your tone so much

Bank charges caused by overdrawn accounts from DD is such a con

With computer technology tell me why it isn't possible for a DD to verifiy that there is enough cleared funds before it debits your account? The whole idea of banks debiting your accounts for amounts you dont have then charging you for it is just soo wrong imo what do they take us for complete twats...

If you can avoid having any DD setups don't do it, rather just setup internet banking and do the transfers yourself then you will never be charged and you are in complete control of your cash flow.

Quote from mrodgers :

Thus, when they reach the age of puberty, they are the center of the universe much more than we were when we were children.

And god help us when they enter the workforce I can see the next global recession already millions of "workers" sitting at work texting and interwebing their companies to financial ruin... wondering why their employers aren't throwing money at them, surely income isn't linked to productivity.
I've seen alot that think "hey I'll work harder when you pay me more" lol they must think money is this magical resource with neverending supply that has no cause and effect

Quote from axus :

And for crying out loud, in a game genre called simulation racing a good 20 or 30 years after its dawn we've still not got a single sim that manages to simulate tyres properly.

Well then m8 hurry up and finish uni and start coding the ultimate tyre model I'll let you take 3 - 5 years because that will be about the time I intend to retire and it would be nice to have it by then, so how about it eh

It all the radiation being emmitted from the mobile phones jees it must be a nightmare dealing with kids these days I thought it was bad twenty years ago

Quote from 5haz :

I really think the drivers of tin tip cars should be positioned closer to the cars centre, for extra protection, how long before we have another one of these horrible accidents?

Plus does anyone think that corner is particularly dangerous?

We are RH side drivers here so he couldn't have been further away from the wall it must have just been the shear forces invloved. Here the news didn't just mention head injuries he also recieved alot of other internal injuries.

Sad to see he died.

But that corner is a great corner and I'd hate to see it changed too much, as ajp71 says in most cases it isn't too unsafe as the cars would be making glancing blows to the wall not full impacts like that. If they do something to that corner it should be with the appex and not the wall.

I actually think racing is fairly safe even though we have had some fatalities recently, in reality there is always and will always be some fatalities in motor sport, it's not about eliminating them entirely but rather ruducing them as much as possible. Far more die on public roads every week, that's were it is really unsafe!

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Quote from JeffR :

I wonder how many players here think that if NFS wins, it will stop polls like this from being created?

We can live in hope but we all know there will be another in less than two weeks

Quote from AndRand :

judging by current poll results (LFS - 69%, NFS - 80%) I smell marketing war approaching and upcoming fanboys charge

I don't I smell the hand of Bob

Quote from legoflamb :

I'm glad to hear that some one wants to try it.

tried your most recent miata set today and love it, goes into my favorite setup list

Really enjoyed throwing it around south city, it actually feels how I'd ecpect a real road car to feel. Would love to see some races or autocross events done around this set.

You must really have been out of Australia for a long while Think you are in for some serrious shocks when you return lol

I have been lamenting the increase in bureaucracy, red tape and political correctness gone mad for years now

Quote from AndroidXP :

Even if you add "randomness" you can start the random number generator with the same seed as you did on the real race, which means it will produce exactly the same number sequences again.

Hmm thats true, I keep forgetting that in computers there is no such thing as random maybe there could be if you linked it to some real time changing data like LFSWorld PB's or some such I never like the idea of fake randomness too many card counters out there

Quote from sil3ntwar :

how would that be a problem? The replays are exactly the same each time you watch them so any damage you get will be reproduced exactly the same way as its the exact same crash.

Hmm well I was thinking how much computer horsepower would be needed to model every bit of gravel rolloing around the track or every lump of rubber If that was how it would be represented we will need to wait quite some time before PC's are powerfull enough let alone the complexities of programing So then I thought that sought of modeling would have to be canned effects or semi simultated which to be believeable would require some randomness built in at which point I'd suspect the current replay system wouldn't work or at the very least would have to exclude cirtain aspects then I became depressed (as I want to see these features sooner rather than later)

you asked

Quote from legoflamb :

New XRG/Miata setup:
Use of the Viscous differential, because that is what mine has.

I'll give that a go later tonight Downloaded your old one but forgot to try it

On another note (seems like a good thread for it) I've been wishing for a server that offers trackday type driving lately (would be a good place to hang out if your not in the mood to race and as an alternitive to cruise servers)

Quote from kamkorPL :

It was lovely

And you are very true about the fact that cars from lfs would be hard to drift in real life. My Fz5 setup is pretty extreme, which makes it good and recompansates RR layout, but still, point is.. One that has knowledge about drifting, who will see lfs drifting vids with caterhams and porsches drifting will probably think it's not very realistic(by judging from a vid).

Nice to hear thx for the info.

We racers and drifters alike then await for road cars with abit more horsepower to wieght ratio I know I'd love to race a car similar to a skyline R32/33 or pontiac gto in lfs as much as you would like to drift one

Quote from CobraDrifter :

He was sarcastic.

And so was he

Reading between the lines seems to be harder on a forum where there is lines than it is in an actual conversation with someone in RL where there isn't any lines

Thanks for taking the time to answer

Dang I totally forgot the wheel turn thing yes I can see that would make it alot easier if you had low wheel turn degrees (i.e. a momo wheel or G25 set for less than equivelant of a real car)

But I also suspect that the loosing of grip and regaining of grip lacks the vielent feel that seems to be eviedent in alot of circumstances irl. But then I guess that is always going to be true to some point in a sim simply because you don't have to fight G-forces that you do irl

Irl those G-forces would be telling you "your going to die you fool!" in a sim all you feel is "hmm we seem to be sliding" so you are far less likely to overreact in a sim than irl

I'd also agree with BartDrift's view on the current cars in LFS which is what actually made me think that drifting in LFS is too easy as similar cars irl would be hard to drift to the same level as whats possible in LFS? Have you tried using LFSTweak or similar to setup a driftcar more closely approximating a rl drift car out of interest? And if so how was it?

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Quote from kamkorPL :

Not to mention his point of view changing completly if he got a chance to try drifting and noticed he is just spinning and can't control it for some reason.

Sorry to be totally off topic but I have a question I love racing and don't have any disrespect at all for drifting. Have seen some awsome car control with pro difters in LFS replays and in RL on youtube.

Anyway to the question, I've been watching alot of video's online to do with racing and drifting over the last few months (better than the crap on telli ) and something that bothers me is that when a driver (even a race driver) that doesn't know how to drift trys to set the car up for a drift they often have great difficulty in actually getting the car to loose traction when they want it too, it normally ends up throwing them into a wall I think the behaviour on corner exit in LFS seems right but not so sure on corner entry (for drifting) Do you think it is too easy in LFS to enter drifts at the moment?

Hmm one possible reason I could think of that would fit these symptoms is the known issues with low speed grip could this also be a factor in transients? As entering a drift has alot more transient behaviour than normal racing line.

I think it seems especially too easy to drift the low powered cars in LFS when compared to similar cars to RL. I'd value your opinion on this kamkorPL

Quote from Ikaponthus :

I hope you're right anyway!

But with some of the opinions seen floating around during the short time I've been here I also think it's possible many of those votes are serious.

You've only been here a short while we get bored of the same old same old so every now an then you get a wave of sarcasm, you just happened on one such groundswell just watch out for the tsunami

Quote from AndroidXP :

That's because the "replay" works by storing and then re-feeding the player inputs to the physics engine. It also has position packets here and there, but they're only existing to validate the correctness of the replay (this is what happened when you influenced the physics with the ramp and it noticed the positions didn't match up => OOS (out of sync) error).

That just sparked a thought what will happen when we have advanced damage (body parts flying about) and gravel can be brought back on the track or dynamic whether or rubber biuld up including marbles (mind boggles)

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Other life events is why I'm not online much at the moment, only get about 2hrs a week to spare for LFS currently.
That is normally a Thursday evening here in Aus which is dead so I normally go online do a few laps in the LX6 occassionaly joined by one or two others then log off 30-60min later on average...

Quote from ajp71 :

I'd ask the question why do you need the power?

Because he is young, all his mates have overpowered cars, its a sign of "up yours" to the athourites and public in general, it's a measure of manhood, who knows

The amounts of worked cars driving around the streets of Perth these days is rediculous.

I pick up and drop off about 30 signs a day arround my local suburbs (wifes in realestate ) and on a Saturday afternoon I'll pass a dozen cars hooning around at the same time people are out walking etc. The other thing that astounds me is how many wrecks I see in peoples front yards, from badly damaged rims to full front impacts. And then there is the occassional wall you see knocked down where some idiot was having fun

I mean really what does it prove if your car is faster than my 17 year old family sedan or you have managed to spend more money than the next bloke so your car is faster LOL

If people would put as much thought and effort into other life skills as they do into "tunning" there cars they and sociaty would be alot better off.

I'm with ajp71 on this, the r32 is a nice car, enjoy what it is. Go do some track days in it /End of OLDMAN rant

Did it take five years to learn English before you posted?

Was it scary to post the first post

Lynce I think there is abit of crossed wires happening because of language but that ok. I'm understanding more as you post more.

I thought you were a small investor investing in a company on the stock market from your fist post hence why I replied about stock charts and risks to technology and such.

If you are directly involved in the start up of a company or supplying funds for the start up of a company that is a whole different matter. I'm sure you will do well and have done your sums etc.

Quote :

How this works in Australia? There are these kinds of initiatives?

Australia has a bad track record of supporting startup businesses (alot in the past have gone offshore), we have recently had a change of governemnt though so that may improve in the area of green technologies.

I was talking about electric solar panels though, but I'm only an end user that has installed them onsite for personal use.
The information I was given is that solar panels don't last forever and do have a lifecycle and will need a schedule for replacing them.
Alot of people with not much knowledge of solar technology still believe that once install its free and that comment was in relation to how the average consumer might think.

Your right to not put too much trust in stock charts as a busniness man other than be aware that broadly speaking there is a business cycle and that listing a company on the stockmarket in the right circumstances can raise alot of cash which is it's primary purpose, people trading the stock market is secondary.

On a side note my views of the stockmarket is that you have all types of investors. From long term (buy and hold), medium term (hold for 6 months to several years) to short term (speculators may hold for less than a day upto serveral weeks)
Within these groups are investors that study companies purely by there fundamentals (fundamental analysis), those that study charts (technical analysis) to those that trade purely by buy/sell activity on the day.
All these are evident in a chart of a stock. You can see the long term trends, shorter term trends and finally the noise or very short term trends. The focus that you have on the stockmarket determines how much risk you take on.
My view is also that stockmarkets swing to extremes (overreact) I believe in the principle that again broadly speaking the stockmarket is driven by greed and fear.
Knowing all this and being able to enter the stockmarket without being caught up in emotional swings (which is the tricky part) while having a diciplined approach and well thought out stratagy can be and is a very good investment vehical. It's not for everyone though as it requires the right apptitude, alot more people loose money on the stock market than make money, money isn't magically being printed somewhere

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Quote from Lynce :

The Spanish government encourages such initiatives and paid to 400-500% of the energy is produced from the company who buys this energy (electricity in this case).

A Fenosa (national electric company) since this will benefit not have to invest in infrastructure for customer support.

It is an ambitious project and future and already have a ivnersor interested to 100%.

How this works in Australia? There are these kinds of initiatives?

15-20 years ago Australia was at the forfront of solor technology but it has since dropped the ball on this which is a shame. The govonment here has been slow on incentives for solar technology.

The do have subsidy programs for individual solar instillations now though which amounts to at least 50% of the cost, alot of new houses are being built with solar panels and a grid connected inverter as standard in recent times which they claim will save about 15%. I doubt they are accounting for the replacement cost of the equipment when it reaches the end of its lifecycle

I personally have set up a solar installation on one of my properties which is out in the country and is not connected to the electricity grid at all. It has 6 panels of 110w each a 660ah battery bank and 3000w inverter/charger with a 10kva backup genset. I only have to run the generator when I use the power heavily over a whole day, otherwise it's 100% solar.

Don't be fooled into thinking solar is free though. Once you take into account that everything has an expected life span and will need to be replaced at some point you will see that it costs similar to traditional means of power. My batteries have an expected lifespan of 8-10 years the solar panels about 15 years, etc. I also found that alot of the government rebate schemes here were a false economy, as when they came out all the retailers and installers upped there prices and the government stipulates that to get the rebates you have to use licensed installers, have log books and have regular autorised maintenance. I did my sums and found I could still do it all cheaper myself even without the rebates

All in all I think it can be a good investment on your part to invest in companies that are profiting from a favourable environement. A couple of points though:
- something that seems to be a great long term investment usually ends up in reality being a good short term investment or at best medium term.
- governments can change there minds which could effect your investment.
- technology can change at a rapid pace, rendering current technology redundent.
- learn to read stock charts and some basics about price trends, even if your perspective is long term a chart can give you a timely warning to lock in your profits before it drops too much.

If your a small investor then your advantage is your ability to move quickly unlike those with 100s of millions as they are restricted by liquidity. Use this advantage. As small investors we have a disadvantage of having less good information than the big guys. But the big guys are slow moving by there shear size. If you learn to read stock charts you can see where the smart money is flowing and react accordingly. My point is don't invest blindly, know what your weakness and strengths are and plan accordingly.

Quote from chanoman315 :

if im rich

Alot of people live life like that, it's a lottery mentality. Many wish they could win lottery, but if you tell them with the right strategies, dedication and hard work they could make as much money as a lottery win in less than 10 years it just doesn't compute Investing is compounding and excellerates with time, people struggle with this concept because for the first 2-5 years the going will be tough.

I know of one young man where I work that choose to buy a 30k car (v8 HSV commodore) which he required a loan for. Three years later he is still paying it off were if he had bought a house at that time he would have made enough money to buy three such cars he complains that its too expensive to buy property now.

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

I really wish I would've bought a few shares of Google back when they first started offering them for $100 each. Since then they've been worth as much as $700, and right now they're about to $500.

This is something that really kills motivation to invest imo, people focus on the high flying missed opportunities missing the more important point that the stockmarket over the longterm almost always outperforms the property market as a whole. We love to focus on the fast and exciting performing stocks rather than take safer more predictable outcomes of a basket of stocks or the market as a whole. It's like in the gold rush times of years gone by you had thousands and thousands of people feverishly looking for the next big strick. But then you had the people that really made money in those times that setup shops, pubs and entertainment establishments for the gold diggers to spend there money. Much more boring and much too much like hard work for most but they made more than 99% of the gold prospectors I'd suspect

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