Wide screen effect just seems to give correct perspective to me and is less distracting...

@ Boris - Both extra ws

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Quite interesting, i always used FOV of about 60, as it was always said that it gives you the best visual feedback, ie, you sense the distance of the corner better and width of the track, etc..
I recently switched to 22" wide monitor and still use 60 FOV, should i try a bigger FOV? Is that size depandable? It strikes me that with this big monitor i don't see the side mirrors in FBM for example, and most other cars..

I started out using 68 FOV on a 17" CRT monitor, now use a 22" LCD WS and use 98 FOV with wide screen effect. I find that quite good. I have the screen as close as I can get it also, similar feel to 68 on the crt to me but with more peripheral vision

Interesting tests Android thanks for taking the time to do them

The things I would like to see imrpoved the most in regards to tyres is:

- tyre wear affects camber and contact patch in general
- better heat modeling of road tyres accounting for tread and tread wear
- temperature effects malubility of rubber (it's a small consideration in relation to tyre flex/aligning behaviour and It would also impact contact patch area)

Is longitudinal flex modeled in LFS like lateral flex?

Quote from AndriodXP :

The cornering ability would change on unevenly worn tyres, usually for the worse.

Yep in real life racing tyres generally get worse towards the end of there run, in LFS that's when there the best.

Quote from Glenn67 :

tyre chemistry change due to heat cyles

Quote from bbman :

Not really important without reusing tyres over several sessions, is it?

It is important because not breaking in tyres properly (i.e. heating them up unevenly and too quickly) leads to early tyre problems, which would be interesting in longer races and enduros.

Last edited by Glenn67, Sun 16 Mar 2008, 11:05.

I've got the AF settings in game to work now, it seems that the nvidia control panel has a mind of its own
It is supossed to have global settings which are application controlled, user difined or auto set by preference to quality/performance. These settings don't seem to work. I have to set it to user difined and setup a profile for LFS to get it to function properly. Once I've done that snd specifically enforce each setting then its fine. Me thinks the nvidia drivers a pretty crappy.

Ever seen a cat behind a window tease a dog? That's the syndrome we have on forums

Wait till your 40

Quote from AndroidXP :

What's probably not happening:
- alternation of the tyre's base grip coefficient/level

add to that list
- tyre chemistry change due to heat cyles
- blistering, graining, etc
- heat and cooling not yet modelled well across all tyres (from road to slick)
- wear affecting shape of tyre thus changing optimal camber settings etc
- as tread wear on road tyre behaviour changes as area of contact increases, which would effect heat/cool cycles and grip behaviour
- tyre temp changes affects tyre flex/aligning behaviour

Have you verified "reducing tyre circumference/diameter when worn (lower top speed)"? I'd like to think that the 2nd and 3rd points are implemented but I haven't seen any evidence to that effect.

Last edited by Glenn67, Sat 15 Mar 2008, 13:47.

Is he talking anti - modifications or anti - moderators I can read it both ways

Alot of how you are recieved on the forums is how you ask questions or state things. If your stance is one of unbias position, true inquiry or opinion stated with an open mind you are generally well recieved. If your tone is confronting or demanding your often not. Simple really same as face to face meetings in rl With the added complexity of not being able to see facial expressions or bady language, so you have to make extra effort to illustrate what you are trying to say as many people will read it differently, like above

Last edited by Glenn67, Sat 15 Mar 2008, 13:29.

Quote from JeffR :

Then there's the issue of dealing with tire wear over the course of a run (between pit stops) and making adjustments to make optimal usage of the changes in a car's behavior over time.

They often talk about adjustments being made to compensate for tyre wear/condition in v8 supercars, but they are heavy 600bhp rwd cars so you would expect that

I doubt tyre wear would effect handling in LFS at this stage other than its effect on tyre temp would be good if it does though.

Quote from Hyperactive :

Probably less grip because they are painted

Agreed about the suggestion though. Maybe the fake grass could even be *gulp* more bumpier at times?

Yes they should be bumpier just as the grass areas should be really bumpy

If you look at the construction of the fake grass run off areas you can see that the surface area that would be in contact with tyres is much less than the tarmac or curbs. Its most likely that the concrete is coloured with a pigment (not painted) but that the less surface area will mean less grip

I have another unrelated suggestion (don't want to start multiple new threads ) that has been on my mind since brake bias and ARB adjustments have been implemented.

It would be very useful to be able to have each live adjustment assigned to a controller axis to enable cockpit builders to implement these controls in their hardware setups

Quote from tristancliffe :

I've not done very long races, but I'd imagine the fuel load can make a big difference depending on where the fuel tank is and how sensitive the car is to ride heights. Tyre wear is fairly limited, but tyre temperatures have a huge effect. Even in my races it's not uncommon for one end to 'go off' before the other requiring changes of line, adjustments to bars on the fly and that sort of thing. Track conditions do change too, but you need quite big changes to feel it (or be a very very good driver). Wet racing is an obvious example, where you might consider softening a lot of things.

Interesting confirms my thoughts somewhat. Fuel load was the obvious one to me, but tyre temps I didn't really expect to change in ratio back/front too much which caught me out. But I guess fuel load will effect the tyre heat profile during a race as the wieght front/rear will change, then as the tyre heat profile changes the handling worsens which in turn increases the effect

I have nvidia 6600 GT

All the settings in game (mip bias and AF) seem to have a negative effect or no effect on image quality. When I alt tab and return to full screen I get grainy look also. Picture looks best with 0 mip bias and AF set to none

I have set display driver to application controlled

diver version is 6.14.11.6921

Oh and I've always had issues with mirrors and dials being corrupted when alt tabing in and out of LFS so thats not new

Last edited by Glenn67, Sat 15 Mar 2008, 11:50.

The fake grass runoff area's should have noticeably less grip than the rest of the track. They are made of concrete and have less surface area than the curbs or track so therefore should give alot less grip, more than grass or gravel obviously but at the same time alot less than tarmac

Just watching the v8's and they get quite loose if they go out on the fake grass areas. Also in real life these areas would be much more prone to loose dirt build up etc.

Last edited by Glenn67, Sat 15 Mar 2008, 12:23.

Quote from SamH :

posted primarily in jest.. I've enjoyed the V8s when I've seen them screened over here.

I would have taken it jest anyways

Yesterday the incar temps were arround 60deg C for the drivers, they use dry ice machines for cooling there racing suits, ontrack temps this morning hit 40deg C in the F1 qualifying so you can bet the bitchaman was around 55+ deg C, things can be abit more extreme here than what you would call normal in Europe

When they race in Hidden valley Darwin they often have issues also, and a few other tracks are also very tough on brakes and tyres.

As I said extreme conditions are what we consider normal here

Quote from SamH :

Brake overheating is not something that happens in normal racing these days. People kit out their race cars with brakes that are adequate for the job, and there's no technological reason for that not to happen.

tell that to the v8 supercar drivers exeptional circustance are fairly common here

They have even gone to the extent of water cooling brakes on the v8's and some are hitting higher than 900deg C and yes they are suffering brake fad towards the end of the race.

Quote from Shotglass :

id claim thats one of the reason why watching racing has become so boring

Yep that along with endless full course yellow safty car periods, endurance racing just isn't what it used to be it's more like a whole bunch of sprint races now

Quote from tristancliffe :

Don't you start!!! Besides, whilst Andy and I have settled up, there is still the explaination from the other guy (genuinely, I am sorry, but I can't remember your username), who states that controls change so much over races, that braking in a racing car is different, and that racing seats aren't supportive enough. Once he's realised that controls don't vary (noticably), braking is the hardest thing to master, but the technique is the same, and that when racing you have a nicely supporting racing seat, then I'll be totally happy.

The otherguy nisskid probably fell asleep at his keyboard as it would have been about 3am at his last post

I have an off topic question for you tristan, in the aussie v8 supercars they have, like most race cars, a number of adjustments that the driver can adjust and also futher adjustments that a pit crew can adjust. What factors besides tyre wear, fuel load and track condition would cause you to make an adjustment?

I'm pretty sure I recall hearing that atleast one driver was making brake bias adjustments on the fly for each section of the track at bathurst, I'm guessing that would be for the uphill and downhill sections.

If it's only tyre wear, fuel load and track conditions that would be the primary reasons for adjusting setup (ARB, brake bias, etc) then from your knowledge which one of these has the greatest impact in real life and would cause you to need to adjust on the fly?

I was in a pick up race the other day 53 laps and was on a setup I knocked up in the qualifying session before the race began. With that setup I was in the top 4 out of a field of 10 or so and times were close. During the longer race though the car balance changed on me alot, was well balanced for the first 10 - 15 laps but then my lap times started to drop until I was unable to put in a lap time that was within 1.5 sec of what I could do consistently at the start I believe it was my tyre choice and the way the tyres heated over time that caused it. Basically went from a nicely balanced set to an understeering dog. I should of realised what was happening more quickely and adjusted the ARB on the run I wish in the future we can setup so that brake bias and ARB etc can be adjusted by POTs, that would be great for when I build an sim cockpit

Quote from tiagolapa :

Hi.
i have one question: I always thought brakes can overheat in racing cars. I'm sure australian v8 cars overheat if driver is not care. Correct me if im wrong

They still do very occassionally but only when the track conditions are extreme, the most common problems you see in the aussie v8's is tyre problems. Flat spots, and delamination.

Last edited by Glenn67, Sat 15 Mar 2008, 00:00.

Quote from AndroidXP :

^ Yes, surfing the internet is really giving me an adrenaline rush.

LOL so you can see why people have died playing computer games none stop. Lots of caffeine, sleep deprivation, and increased levels of stress just wears there poor little brains out

ROFL sidi I think you got the wrong end of the stick

I'm off to take a hot shower and relax my eyes lol

Last edited by Glenn67, Fri 14 Mar 2008, 13:14.

Quote from andybarsblade :

Very true i've heard that Kimi Raikkonen has bored loads of people to death

LOL

Some interesting snipits

Quote :

Adrenaline Addiction
"Adrenaline addiction is very common.
·Type-A personalities become addicted to their excessive activity by the stimulation and arousal of adrenaline.
·People who are constantly angry, fearful, guilty, or worrisome arouse their adrenaline hormone even though they may sit around doing nothing else.
· People who are excessive in their participationin jogging, exercise, bodybuilding, aerobics, sports, skiing, mountain climbing, car racing or flying…airplanes become addicted because of the adrenaline rush from their activity. They describe the 'rush' they get from their activity and feel depressed when they can't participate for some unexpected reason."

And

Quote :

Adrenaline and Stress
It's important to realize that engaging in activities that cause a release of adrenaline, such as playing computer games, is the wrong way to deal with stress.
In the short term, adrenaline makes you feel more alert. But in the long term, you become tired and unable to deal with stress.
The next time you feel like playing computer games or surfing the Internet, try to do something relaxing instead such as:
·Taking a hot bath or a shower
·Taking a nap
·Vision Exercises: palming, breathing and blinking, sunning, swinging, distance viewing (Bates' method)
·Getting some fresh air
·Exercise (Moderate)
· Drinking a glass of water or a rehydration drink
· Stretching

Meh thats good advise for me I'm always dealing with stress the wrong way

Last edited by Glenn67, Fri 14 Mar 2008, 12:55.

Quote from nisskid :

...once you go the adrenaline is pumping big time, your mind sharpens and your more focused, this is the product of adrenaline which is triggered by the fear.

Adrenaline is not only triggered by fear...

I have done alot of running and cycling in my younger days, I liked it alot because of the adrenaline rushes you would get (i.e. second, third and even fourth winds - very adictive )

Adrenaline is triggered by the expectation of competition, the excitement of pushing yourself to the limits and in some cases by sensing or expecting danger. But it's definately not the only way to recieve an adrenaline rush or get butterflys

It's also been well documented that alot of so called thrill seekers don't have the same sense of fear as us mere mortals, that alot of race drivers also have the same gene makeup as those that a serial killers might have, etc

Quote from xaotik :

I think I recall them doing much the same last year in free practice runs. I'd be amazed if they're still there in qualifying and yet more amazed if they're there after the end of the race.

Pardon my pessimism but I tend to concur with xaotik, even if Mark qualifies reasonably well I'd be amazed if he finished well Loved to be proved wrong though.

Quote from nisskid :

once again, confidence. unfortunately confidence can work against a lot of drivers, this overcoming of fear can often take away a lot of the appeal of the sport as it doesnt give them the same buzz.

I don't think many pro's make it to the top and stay there because they feel the buzz so much as it's more because they have a driving ambition (pun intended )

That's often why people like grass roots sports more than the big end of town stuff. To get to the top in any professional sport you need much more than a buzz feeling you need ambition to succeed.

Quote from nisskid :

its like saying someone doesnt shit, its inbuilt to the human gene to fear, it helps with driving, if he doesnt experience fear then something is defected in him, not having fear will hinder his performance.

I've heard serveral prominate race car drivers from bygone eras that state they don't feel any fear when driving Dick Johnson springs to mind immediately, but I'm sure there is many many more. Look how calm and relaxed Peter Brock looked driving around Bathurst.

If you are a pro and your emotions (fear, excitement, anger, etc) have sway on you, you are more prone to make errors just as much as it can "shapen" your senses.

The real pro's have a supreme confidence in their abilities, to the point were they don't have fear. If you allow fear or any other emotion to have a hold on you while your racing as a race driver you are either a rookie or your in the wrong profession imo.

By you last post I think we are on similar wave lengths anyway just the wording

Quote from Shotglass :

btw ive found its actually
real life * lfs = simple question

Damn and here I was thinking it was

2(real life - simple question) = (LFS + drift)/LFS drift * LFS Race^10

Quote from deggis :

I want tyres that are smart

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fooox6hbjzM

LOL I remember seeing that live.

That's why they call them a controlled tyre