If it was a long race it is more likely your tyres went off (cooled down or overheated) that caused a big drop in your lap times. Your mind can play tricks on you in a long race causing you to think one thing is wrong when it's another thing entirely.
Adding to that tyres can go off at one end more than the other changing the cars handling attributes significantly, resulting in much slower lap times. I had this very thing happen to me a couple of months ago, I made a set that was well balanced and quick for about the first half of the race but for the last 30 laps it was ratshit. Mid way I was running third, by the end I had dropped several places and my lap times had slipped dramatically. Initially I blamed engine damage also, but on further examination of replays etc I realised the cars balance had changed due to the front and rear tyre temps profile becoming substantialy different to the first half of the race.

Did you save a replay of the race?

Last edited by Glenn67, Mon 12 May 2008, 12:27.

Lifes work at 25 lol you still got plenty of time to do several more "lifes work" yet, get over it don't make bitterness your next lifes work

Quote from bbman :

What, I went too far?

No you didn't

Add: ambient temp, track temp (varies shade to sun), humidity, barometric pressure, rain, dynamic wether, track surfaces that are less smooth (tracks aren't perfect irl), dynamic rubberised racing line, dry line on moist track, oil/water/deberis spillage from accidents on track, better aero modeling overall not just aero damage and tyres but I want say what because I'll get my head bitten off

I could go on but I've gotto leave work and go home now

Enough with the marriage metaphors already

Teams are like a marriage the honey moon can be bliss but a nagging wife can be hell

Serriously though, teams are good value if you have the time and energy to commit. Both of which I don't have

Very easy to use, quite useful and convinient. Will save me time and help speed up learning new combos

Personally I thought the strangest overreaction was the reaction to JTBO's comments Anyone could see what he said was to make a point, not to indicate that he actually goes out and bashes gays I actually find it quite disturbing how strong people react to what they believe isn't PC and yet defend to the hilt everyone's rite to say and do whatever they please elsewhere (e.g. GTA4 thread)

I also don't believe his comment about the majority of the forum going gay was about our sexual preference but about our overreation to his comments being gay and in that at times I'm inclined to agree.

But then I think alot of the missunderstandings that go on are because of generational issues, each new generation has different reference points and therefore interperets what we say differently

Quote from Tonik75 :

PS. I run a XFG and yes, I'm new to this, but very much interested in learning my way to setups and I saw no better way than to ask you guys.

The reason you see most people run hybrids on the rear of the XFG is to get heat in the tyres, are you using road normals or hybrids?

If your using hybrids and there still cold I'd sugest your not pushing hard enough

I've seen it discussed before but not sure if been posted in suggestions

anyway +1 from me

56k dial up modem will enable you to play online easily in Australia and overseas for up to 10 palyers on a server.

If you want to race on larger occupied servers then you need faster internet such as adsl. The Most important thing is ping (but anything around 400ms and lower is acceptable) after that the download speed just limits you to how large a populated server you can join before you start to experience lag problems.

It is advisable to go through a quality ISP to get the best performance. Spend some time and do research on ISP's available in your area don't just go for the cheapestr deal.

Cheap spare keyboard or mouse

I don't use skins at all

I'm not in a team, I don't play often enough where I would get bored enough to stop practising driving or making setups to pause and make a skin.

And I don't play LFS to look good

I had my leg broken and dislocated at the knee once, didn't feel a thing even made a wise crack at the guy that hit me.

We'll didn't feel a thing until about 20 mins later when the adrenaline started to subside that is that's the power of natures drug

The thing that I'd like to see the most is a server with a track day type of feel for relaxing, a bit of practise and get together to share experiences.

Then also another server with longer races (30 - 60min) and populated with people that finish those races regardless of weather they have a good race or not. I hate it when I fight through a field of racers to have them dump out of the race when I finally overtake them or when I may catch them before the end of the race or for any reason really. I personally don't drop out of a race even if half way through I realise I have a shit set (with tyres going off and lap times plummeting) I'll stick it out and make a challenge of trying to retain as many positions as possible.

I agree with zeugnimod that there are some very fair, fast and courteous young drivers. But I don't know many young drivers that would stick out a long public pickup race (not talking league races) if they weren't driving well or something happened during the race to adversely affect there lap times. Not saying all older guys are different in this regard either, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between the age of a driver and whether they finish a race regardless of performance or position

I know this type of activity can be found in some well organised teams. But many of us older folk can't or don't want to structure or lives around a team (yes we are contankerous grumpy old bastards :razz So having the safe haven of an Old Folks Home server would be something I'd visit and probably often

+1

I've wanted this since I first was involved with LFS. Along with the ability to assign different rights to each admin.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

I drove with your set Bawbag, although on So town.. and i cook the tires after 5, 6 laps, the temp gets over 130 and i tried to be as gentle as possible.... Guess i have to practice more..

Pay very careful attention to bawbags steering, brake and throttle inputs. That's the key imo.

Key points to notice are:

The pattern of braking - full brake pressue trailing off towards apex, also note he is not using engine braking exessively.

Steering - Steers into a corner on gental arc under trail braking, right at the apex he is completely off the brake / throttle and that is where he has max steering angle.

Throttle - He is waits for the car to be in the right position (attitude) for a good corner exit before he applies full throttle.

A problem I have often is I constantly am trying to go faster by being closer to the edge of grip all the time. In doing this I tend to cause my lines to suffer slightly.

It actually is better to focus on smooth driving and good lines more than raw speed, which we all know but for some reason never seems to get through my thick skull .

I learnt a long time ago (s1 days) I think it was vince from mercury that spent 15 mins or so coaching me over ts and that's what he was drumming in my head over an over.

Slow down a little and concentrate on your racing line!

Quote from Bawbag :

I guess it's not as bad as I thought.....

Knew you would be the man for the job

You use all the track, and I mean all of it Also your throttle, brake and steering inputs are very well balanced for the combo. Poetry in motion as always

Quote from Forbin :

With the G25, I use 540 degrees and max steering lock on all cars.

Thats exactly the setting I have found most comfortable.

Quote from kaynd :

The problem here is the tire physics that allow the outside tire hold such a high amount of pressure giving the appropriate grip so you don't need the inside tire at all...

Hmm yes I tend to agree, although there is definately tyre load sensitivity at play in LFS but it does apear to need work.

Watch WR replays noting brake points and apex speeds and while your learning a track tack emulate the driving of WR holder but brake 10m earlier and take the corner 5-10km/hr (at the apex) slower. Once your comfortable with that you should be as fast as the AI or faster and be ready for online.

Quote from Bawbag :

As for the fxo thing, what? I havn't drove that car in about a year...

I was just using you to make a point, I am pretty sure it was you though but from along time ago when tyre heat was still pretty new, back in the days of team400

Quote from jarmenia :

I also took at look at the AI in Analyze for speed so I know where I am losing time so I'll start working on those corners tonight.

The new AI are a great improvement over the old versions, but they still quite often take certain sections of some tracks way too slow. So don't use them to learn from other than getting familiar with a combo.
Download some WR replays off http://www.lfsworld.net/

Under hotlaps and the wr tab.

Top three causes can all be significantly ruduced by health and lifestyle choices - sobering...

So in summary, eat less red meat, processed foods, do regular excercise and increase your intake of antioxides.

Oh and don't drive a car

Suicide and falling could be attributed to trying too hard to prevent the first three causes

Bawbag, have you got some bug type things imbeded in the forum so whenever someone types your name you suddenly appear or what

Quote from AndroidXP :

Only that the exploit setups use stiff ARB at the front.

That depends on the patch version you talk about, there have been wr sets with high rear ARB in the past and currently most UF1 WR sets use max rear spring and damper settings.

What the aim of the extreme high ARB whichever end it is on is to cause one wheel to lift on turn in (turning towards the appex under braking) thus causing oversteer when you would expect understeer.

If you look at flotches sets for the UFR at AS2 for example you can find versions were he uses high ARB at the rear as well as the front.

Last edited by Glenn67, Mon 14 Apr 2008, 15:29.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

My view on this is that people are driving way too agressively, throttling in ON/OFF regime, instead of gently aplying the throttle like in real life...

I'd agree with that, I recall seeing bawbag in the fxo driving consistently fast laps in a league race at SO with little problem with his tyres while others in the same race ended up poping a tyre due to overheating. I remember some people asking how he did it and if it was his set. His answer was that it was in the driving not the set.

As the saying goes - to be the fastest you have to be the one closest to losing control while remaining in control.

In LFS we don't have fear about going over the limit so often in our attempts to try and emulate wr pace are in reality going over the limit marginaly thus losing time and also causing excessive tyre heat wear.