The article is talking about sims that have effected the way the mass market percieves racing sims. No one can honestly say that LFS is even aimed at the mass market at this point in time.

At some future point LFS could still factor on a list like that, but imo would have to bring a lot more to the table than it currently has to knock iracing off the perch. As it stands LFS would probably only get an honerable mention on a list of sims that have influenced sim development.

Quote from Hankstar :

"Morality" and especially "normality" aren't decided by popular vote.

How is morality or normality determined then? Serious question I'd like to learn your take on it.

Quote from The Moose :

...unfortunately that's where iRacing will always have the upper hand. You need big bucks for lots of highly detailed laser scanned tracks...

Not necessarily, costs of scanning will come down and there are alot of entusiests out there willing to do it at there cost even. A guy posted about the track that is in rfactor now on the lfs forums a while back, he was offering it to the dev and was indicating there would be more in the future. Curiously after a search for 30mins I cant find that thread

Quote from notanillusion :

there's Some Truth To That, Say.

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Quote from hrtburnout :

That's not an option. When I'm riding my bicycle, I just have to driver fast. I had to ride my bike 25km (2*12,5km) to work, each day. Whenever I go slow, I can't help but push myself a little harder.

yeah it wasn't until my mid 30's before my competitive streak would allow people to remain infornt of me willingly finally I'm cured of that although when people overtake me I remain smug in the knowledge it is only because I let them :hide:

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Wear more clothes! Srsly though, if one uses a cycle to commute long distances, appropriate clothing is a must. I cba to cycle in harsh weather, but I'd have thought that a thin insulation layer and something to keep the wind would be sufficient. Tips are welcome

I used to just take off in shorts a tee shirt and light jumper (warm winters here 0 to 5 deg C mornings only) and rip the jumper off after 10mins as I would be getting too hot. The less you wear the faster you want to get there Tried wearing plastic rain coats an such when it was raining but found that there was no point to them as you would be drenched with sweat in no time anyway as they don't breathe, so in wet weather less is better. Just always have a dry clean set at the other end.

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

I'd like to be as cool and fast as you were

I remember myself being cooler and faster the older I get and it's much easier to brag about how I was rather than how I am now

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Btw, out of curiosity, do y'all cycle on the road or pavement in Australia?

When I was biking it there weren't many cycle/foot paths about so it was mostly on the road fighting with cars in traffic In peek hour I could get to work faster than by car cause being on a bike I could take some short cuts.

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Soo.. it would take you 1h at most one way, less if you're even moderately fit. It's not that bad, people drive to work for longer than that :\

pfft I used to do it in arround 30min, that might explain why the car misjudged me though

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

I work a physical job (relative to sitting at the PC anyways..) and cycle to work (5mi) when it's not damp or worse. Zero brakes at all if the rims get even a little bit of water

I used to ride a bike 15km each way to work that was some 20 years ago though and I stopped when I was hit by a car

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

C-c-c-c-combobreaker? I was agreeing with teh biek

Ah I'm an old fart and don't comprehend all this internet speak and took it to mean "point?"

as to teh biek it will help prevent early grave syndrom also so double points to you sir

As to being a Ccc combo breaker well yeah not entirely intentional hmm not intentional at all have cocked this one right up avent ai

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O/T relax dude don't stress about things you can't control unless your looking forward to an early grave

Quote from ohbugger :

Hmmm, not sure you quite cought the meaning of the wombats life.

not everybody is a sex addict m8 although seeing as klutch is at a time where hormones are high I'd think he would be

I'm a Dingo... I dingo up north some time, then i dingo down perth. I gonna go tassi but i dingo afterward

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Quote from Mille Sabords :

I always end up clicking on multiplayer-->race intead of garage-->practice when I start LFS

I do the same, it's not the quickest way to improve your skills but it is the most fun way with the limited time I have these days

Back on topic I think a set made somewhere inbetween the two (nilex2285 and 2561) would be a good compromise for wheel users and general racing, might have a tinker sometime soon on it

Quote from Highside! :

A few of the other setups I tried felt like they handled much better, and I could be more aggressive through the first section without sliding the car, but those sets had other shortcomings. One in particular had great feel but for some reason the car would break after only a few laps each session.

Thanks for any suggestions.

I ran a few laps with the newer set (Nilex2561 version from inferno) and did find it had quite different handling mid corner to the earlier version.

What I soon realised though was that with the old set (Nilex2285) you would have understeer and have to be more gentle with the throttle before the appex with the new set it is the opposite. You actually need to get back onto the throttle to prevent oversteer, which makes sense because the bum is sticking up in the air more and the suspension is a little softer that end in this version.

This does mean that the set is less stable than the earlier set, but I can see how it will be a faster set because it allows you to get on full throttle earlier.

So my susggestion is on the corners where your having problems aim to get back on the throttle earlier (even if it feels wrong) I was basically braking, turn in and then back on full throttle, hit appex, power out.

With that set when in doubt mash the throttle and you'll be right the downside of this set though is that it will punish a poor line especially if you entry speed is abit hot.

ROFL from the very first sentence I read of your post I was thinking the same "your old" kids come out with the best line simetimes

when every new thread reminds you of an older thread

I was driving that last night and while I'd admit I'm very out of practise (so not getting 33s) I wouldn't describe that set as having problems with oversteer. Infact without concentrating on driving techneques I'd say it had understeer problems for example I often found I needed to give the throttle a quick blip to get the nose turned in properly just before the appex of T1 and had to make sure I used the curbs at the end of the straight and on entry to the second S's to increase the turn in effect (i.e. ride up onto the curb and initiate turn in while coming off the brakes)

Goes to show that a set has to fit the way you drive I'd concentrate on technique before chasing setup too much, if you really can't get things happening how you like then probaly your best bet is to use the set that gives you the fastest times and tune it slightly towards your driving preference. If you describe exactly where and under what circumstances you are getting undisired oversteer we could give you indications on what to adjust to 'make it more stable'.

Actually I just realised I wan't driving the most current Nilex set, version I was using was BL1_Nilex2285 which has a lower rear end than the newer 2561 version so you may find the older set will give you better feel in the areas where you were experiencing oversteer

Quote from wsinda :

No need to ridicule the OP. He wants an S2 license and is willing to work for it. He offers to make someone a website in exchange for an S2 voucher. Any constructive replies?

It would be more likely that someone would respond with a positive offer if he were to post some sample websites he has already made but what sort of a site can you get for 24 pounds Also what sort of skill does the op have? Again probably not much if he is willing to sell his skills for an S2 license But kudos for trying...

Quote from legoflamb :

XFG: '88 to '91 civic/CRX - final: 4.250

XRG:'86 to '88 RX7 S4(N/A) - final: 4.1

I really liked your miata sets so I'll give these a whirl sometime soon

Looks like there might be some great buying opportunities in the next few days If the dow punches below 7800 tonight or early next week I think we are going to see another significant move downwards... alternatively if you see the markets bounce we might be seeing a platform forming for a recovery - personaly though I think the downside hasn't finished yet

Well I'm extremely busy for the next 9 months so I'm sure they'll hold off the next patch until I have more time

Quote from Bob Smith :

Yes you would, and VHPA does apply downforce correctly. If you vary the speed slider in the live settings, you'll see your suspension compress on cars with downforce. Note downforce does not affect the affect of dampers on transients, so you'll see no changes there.

Ah I was incorrectly assuming downforce would cause dynamic changes in spring frequency and therefore change the dynamics of the dampers also. I was thinking of it in terms of static changes i.e. thinking of the forces of aero and gravity as a combined whole in steady state snapshots... I know my untrained brain works in weired ways

Quote from Forbin :

Nope, that's worked for me in the LX4/6, XRT, and MRT as well.

Interesting I'll have to play around with that line of thinking next time I'm tinkering with a setup. Out of curosity do you use any calculations or are you just gestimating on the fly based on your understanding and experience?

Quote from ACCAkut :

I just found that "über" setup F1RST gave out on the 16h Racing minds page, and opened it in Bob's VHPA. [1. Pic] And it looks so different to my setups.
I think everything is set up oversteery to counter the locked diff.


Am i the only one who likes his sets (at least GTR) more like this? [2. Pic]

To me the 1st pic screenshot looks totally understandable the FZR would naturally be very understery on corner entry and be suseptable to oversteer on corner exit (with any type of diff), so therefore that indicates that the dampers are setup to help make the car more neutral in characteristic and therefore easier to drive fast over 16 hours

As Bob indicated though the rear end has quite high dampening values which could cause it to skip across bumps but with a locked diff that wouldn't be as large an issue as with other diff configs.

Quote from Forbin :

I've tried using it for that purpose and didn't like the end result. My theory of using the bump dampers in a similar way to ARB's seems to work well for me. I use the rebound dampers to adjust balance over bumps and crests in a similar way.

Is that mainly because you are talking about setups with downforce cars? I only really have played around with road cars with Bob's VHPA and find it useful with them, but I suspect you would have to account for downforce when tuning the suspension in the winged cars and I don't think the VHPA handles that yet? So it would only be useful for low speed corners