Interesting. I have a Momo too so I use auto-clutch also. What advantage does the button have on starts?
What is it about Thruxton that require special tires?
That depends completely on the individual. In almost every case though, the answer is yes. A wheel allows much more precise, consistent car control. And it's a lot more fun, which is all that really matters. A wheel really makes this sim what it is.
This a bug forum. If your post starts with "I propose", you are not pointing out a bug, you're making a suggestion which should go in the Improvement Suggestions forum.
Now then.
Why? Doesn't really matter anyway because that will never happen.
In hotlapping mode a detection feature is already in-place. Hitting a wall or tire barrier or putting just one wheel off the circuit in a manner which may give an unfair advantage will invalidate the lap, and if necessary the next one. It isn't perfect, but it is sufficient.
Online there isn't a way of doing such a thing, because LFS can't differentiate between someone going off in order to cut the course and someone making a mistake or driving around an accident. The solution in such cases is to design circuits in such a way that track-cutting is punished by barriers or by curbs which damage the car. Suspension damage isn't up to par yet, but it's getting there.
Never have I seen blatant track-cutting on an LFS server which isn't immediately punished. The only instances I can think of in which track-cutting is easy are the banked sections on KY Nat and KY GP Long. Many servers put up barriers there, others have auto-spectate features, and others will kick or ban. All seem to address the issue fairly well.
If you're on a server in which track-cutting is a chronic issue and nothing is being done about it, find another server.
Now then.
Why? Doesn't really matter anyway because that will never happen.
In hotlapping mode a detection feature is already in-place. Hitting a wall or tire barrier or putting just one wheel off the circuit in a manner which may give an unfair advantage will invalidate the lap, and if necessary the next one. It isn't perfect, but it is sufficient.
Online there isn't a way of doing such a thing, because LFS can't differentiate between someone going off in order to cut the course and someone making a mistake or driving around an accident. The solution in such cases is to design circuits in such a way that track-cutting is punished by barriers or by curbs which damage the car. Suspension damage isn't up to par yet, but it's getting there.
Never have I seen blatant track-cutting on an LFS server which isn't immediately punished. The only instances I can think of in which track-cutting is easy are the banked sections on KY Nat and KY GP Long. Many servers put up barriers there, others have auto-spectate features, and others will kick or ban. All seem to address the issue fairly well.
If you're on a server in which track-cutting is a chronic issue and nothing is being done about it, find another server.
You're asking two very different questions here.
First the easy one. Scawen rationalized not including an auto-update for the new setups because of the updated physics, which rendered our old patch X setups obsolete. I don't buy that argument, really. Sure they require adjustment, but they aren't completely worthless. I've turned my old FOX setups into good patch Y setups with small gearing, camber and pressure tweaks. The basic settings such as wing angles are still useful. It is much easier to tweak a setup than it is to build one from scratch starting with default or race_s.
The second is more complex. I'm not sure I agree that 'weird sets' are required to get heat into the tires. All that is required is adjustment of camber and pressure in order to distribute the loads more evenly across the surface of the tire. The basic setup is far too aggressive with these values, which results in the inside edges getting very hot while the outside edges remain cool. Overheating causes excessive sliding, which causes more overheating, which causes even more sliding, a vicious cycle which usually results in pitching one's car off the circuit backwards across the gravel trap and into the barrier, and an angry shift+S.
I've only really messed with new setups in the FBM and the FOX, but the values seem reasonable to me. Perhaps in other cars that isn't the case.
First the easy one. Scawen rationalized not including an auto-update for the new setups because of the updated physics, which rendered our old patch X setups obsolete. I don't buy that argument, really. Sure they require adjustment, but they aren't completely worthless. I've turned my old FOX setups into good patch Y setups with small gearing, camber and pressure tweaks. The basic settings such as wing angles are still useful. It is much easier to tweak a setup than it is to build one from scratch starting with default or race_s.
The second is more complex. I'm not sure I agree that 'weird sets' are required to get heat into the tires. All that is required is adjustment of camber and pressure in order to distribute the loads more evenly across the surface of the tire. The basic setup is far too aggressive with these values, which results in the inside edges getting very hot while the outside edges remain cool. Overheating causes excessive sliding, which causes more overheating, which causes even more sliding, a vicious cycle which usually results in pitching one's car off the circuit backwards across the gravel trap and into the barrier, and an angry shift+S.
I've only really messed with new setups in the FBM and the FOX, but the values seem reasonable to me. Perhaps in other cars that isn't the case.
Will the prize include travel/airfare? I assume the test will take place somewhere in the UK, but what happens if the winner is outside the UK? If the prize is a race seat in the championship (I have doubts), how will that work? It seems unlikely that the winner will be able to take months out of work / school / life in order to race in a serious open-wheel series if he usually only simraces.
Anyone have any info about the V1 championship itself? The official site requires a login, it has no Wikipedia page, so all I can find is the little blurb from LFS with the Patch Y announcement.
Christ, you've gotta be kidding me.
Do not take this advice.
A locksmith will take less than 30 seconds to whip out his Slim Jim and unlock your door. It'll cost you $40-60, but that is much cheaper and more sensible than breaking a window.
This thread is embarrassing.
Despite the quantity of evidence supporting such a claim, I assure everyone that not all us Americans are inept clods.
Despite the quantity of evidence supporting such a claim, I assure everyone that not all us Americans are inept clods.
So what? Real men drive with the roof down even in rain or snow.
The default setup seems to use too much camber and too high pressures, so the inside edges get red while the outside edges are still cool. Grip is very low in these circumstances. Adjust your setups to load the tires more evenly. You'll have more overall grip and R1s will last longer. On short races such as those on CTRA, R1s should always be able to last the distance.
If you find that your fronts are still wearing too quickly, adjust your driving style. Use a gentler, earlier turn-in in order to maximize the moment of best rotation. Try to use as little lock as possible. Your outside tires should be right on the edge of the track at the moment of turn-in. If they aren't, you're using less of the track than is available to you. Good drivers will punish you for that.
If your rears are wearing too quickly, adjust your diff to help you on corner exit and try to be as smooth as possible when putting the power down. You should not have to countersteer to keep from spinning on the exits of slow corners.
If you find that your fronts are still wearing too quickly, adjust your driving style. Use a gentler, earlier turn-in in order to maximize the moment of best rotation. Try to use as little lock as possible. Your outside tires should be right on the edge of the track at the moment of turn-in. If they aren't, you're using less of the track than is available to you. Good drivers will punish you for that.
If your rears are wearing too quickly, adjust your diff to help you on corner exit and try to be as smooth as possible when putting the power down. You should not have to countersteer to keep from spinning on the exits of slow corners.
Please sticky this thread in Beginners Forum and in Technical Assistance.
There isn't a problem with your setup. Everyone deals with it just like you do. Learn to adjust to cold tires so you can be aggressive in the opening corners when others are struggling.
Also, this issue is already being discussed in a thread just below this. Please don't start redundant threads.
Wait, you mean the Pitlane Park isn't at the track itself? Hmmmm.
Great comments, thanks a lot.
Point taken, but I disagree. The final chicane is considered by F1 drivers to be fairly high on the difficulty scale. The whole circuit is considered by F1 drivers to be one of the more difficult ones on the calendar - the surface is bumpy, the chicanes are quite technical, the kerbs are tricky, and they run low downforce so the cars are twitchier than normal.
True it's more dangerous than many of today's super-smooth, gigantic-runoff area circuits, but that has no bearing on my enjoyment of the race as a spectator.
Yeah I know, and I'd like to go to a race there someday. But this whole trip is about the Grand Prix. It isn't like we're going to Canada and would like to catch a motor race while we're there. F1 is it.
That was my first choice, but it was before we saw the ticket prices. $400 for the grandstand outside T2, $500 across from the pits. A bit out of our price range, basically.
A specific question for anyone who has been before... does a grandstand ticket include access to the general admission areas? We'd like to watch a practice session from somewhere other than our assigned seats. Any suggestions? I read in F1 Racing this year that T4 is pretty spectacular, but we don't want to miss any action walking all the way out there to find our view blocked by hordes of other people. And it might be restricted to journalists and photographers. The final chicane would be nice too, but there are no grandstands there so viewing seems as though it might be very limited.
Anyone know where to find out which races will have the BMW Pitlane Park?
I'm not interested in reading any bullshit quibbling about Ontario and Quebec. If he has legitimate issues with the circuit or the race, I'd like to hear them.
Please keep this thread on topic.
Please keep this thread on topic.
To hell with that. Nothing like seeing F1 cars in-person.
We'll be seeing plenty of Daytona prototypes at VIR this summer. This trip is for F1.
Why do you say that?
We'll be seeing plenty of Daytona prototypes at VIR this summer. This trip is for F1.
Why do you say that?
What are you implying? Gag = ignore. Make them not able to talk to you. A little "I" next to their name, as has already been suggested.
When I'm concentrating during a race, I don't want anyone talking to me. Except a pit crew telling me something important about a situation ahead or the pit strategy, which we don't have in LFS anyway.
I'm not against the idea, but I wouldn't use it anyway. Whenever I play a game which has in-game comms (e.g. BF2), the first thing I do is go to Options and disable it.
I'm not against the idea, but I wouldn't use it anyway. Whenever I play a game which has in-game comms (e.g. BF2), the first thing I do is go to Options and disable it.
I hope that such a feature will eventually be in the game, but it seems like something that would just be frustrating to have on public servers.
For a standing start, there would have to be sensors to detect that each car is in position. How far outside the box would a car be allowed before it got a penalty? On a full server, there would inevitably be someone who gets a kick out of driving too slowly on the pace lap and stringing out the field, or crashing into cars on the warmup lap. There would have to be some way of determining that a car is out of position, and it would have to be able to detect a car accidentally passing another car for a second or so. One guy is warming his rear tires, another is warming his brakes (brake heat modeling will be in this sim eventually), they meet in the middle or pass temporarily. Innocent drivers shouldn't be accidentally penalized because of some idiot, or for making a small mistake. And for rolling starts, how bunched would the field have to be? How could the game detect proper spacing? What would happen if the field isn't close enough?
It seems like if such a system were to be implemented on public servers, we'd spend all day in a futile effort to get everyone around the lap without making stupid mistakes and actually see the lights. During league races though, absolutely. But those guys can be counted on to drive properly behind the SC without such silly auto-detection functions already.
For full-course cautions (aka safety car periods in F1), how would the game determine that the caution is serious enough to warrant bringing out the SC? There really needs to be a human element to make the judgment call, and to require a real person to oversee every single race is just impractical.
For a standing start, there would have to be sensors to detect that each car is in position. How far outside the box would a car be allowed before it got a penalty? On a full server, there would inevitably be someone who gets a kick out of driving too slowly on the pace lap and stringing out the field, or crashing into cars on the warmup lap. There would have to be some way of determining that a car is out of position, and it would have to be able to detect a car accidentally passing another car for a second or so. One guy is warming his rear tires, another is warming his brakes (brake heat modeling will be in this sim eventually), they meet in the middle or pass temporarily. Innocent drivers shouldn't be accidentally penalized because of some idiot, or for making a small mistake. And for rolling starts, how bunched would the field have to be? How could the game detect proper spacing? What would happen if the field isn't close enough?
It seems like if such a system were to be implemented on public servers, we'd spend all day in a futile effort to get everyone around the lap without making stupid mistakes and actually see the lights. During league races though, absolutely. But those guys can be counted on to drive properly behind the SC without such silly auto-detection functions already.
For full-course cautions (aka safety car periods in F1), how would the game determine that the caution is serious enough to warrant bringing out the SC? There really needs to be a human element to make the judgment call, and to require a real person to oversee every single race is just impractical.
Do you even know what that word means? Videos of a TV program are not warez.
Let the forum admins do their job. If they have an issue with it, it will be dealt with appropriately.
Anyone Ever Been To The Canadian Grand Prix?
Has anyone here even been? What can you say about the quality of the views from different areas of the track?
From everything I've seen of the circuit on TV, the outside of T2 seems like the best place to be. One has a clear view of the first two turns and the short bit down to T3, the pits, and the final chicane.
Then again, the hairpin at the far side seems like it would be really nice too.
Those tickets are really expensive though ($400 for the weekend). We were thinking about grandstand 31, which overlooks the chicane before the far hairpin. Those are only $225.
Also any ideas for other good things to see and do in Montreal, none of us have ever been to the city before so a list of specific things to do in the city would be nice.
From everything I've seen of the circuit on TV, the outside of T2 seems like the best place to be. One has a clear view of the first two turns and the short bit down to T3, the pits, and the final chicane.
Then again, the hairpin at the far side seems like it would be really nice too.
Those tickets are really expensive though ($400 for the weekend). We were thinking about grandstand 31, which overlooks the chicane before the far hairpin. Those are only $225.
Also any ideas for other good things to see and do in Montreal, none of us have ever been to the city before so a list of specific things to do in the city would be nice.
Did you thoroughly uninstall the Nvidia drivers before you put the new card in? As in using a program like Driver Cleaner 3? Nvidia and ATI drivers do not play nicely together.
Does this happen only in LFS, or other games as well?
Does this happen only in LFS, or other games as well?
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