Holy ****, that's a lot of switches and buttons

Quote from JO53PHS :

We've (My team and I) have attempted to run servers with unusual combos before, and as a general rule, they fail epically. (...) The problem about running these servers is you can't initially get enough people into your server to make other people want to join. If the server isn't populated, people won't join it.

You say "you and your team". How many are in your team then? If you all join the server to have some fun, that may well be enough to make other people join, too. Dead Men Racing (dMr) have run unusual combos for years and never failed to draw people in. Of course, dMr has a decent number of active drivers who solely race on the dMr server, so as a result there'll usually be at least about 7 people on. That's usually enough to get other people to at least come and have a look.

Of course, results vary depending on the combo. Some weeks we get 20+ gids, other weeks we only get 10 drivers. But there's almost always enough people on to have a decent race. Now with the holidays, though, things might be a bit slower, especially since the server is set to TBO's @ FE RallyCross for the time being, which may not be everyone's cup of tea. It certainly isn't mine

Quote from llblacktid3ll :

i work at subway all my money goes to rent n bills and i did sell it for bills

Seems to me you've got bigger problems to worry about than not being able to drift then

Quote from Matrixi :

What I do find funny (not pointing at anyone), are the new guys acting like they have been around since day one telling oldies off like they know better what we want.

No one's telling any of the "oldies" what they want. Hell, it seems they themselves don't even know what they want It's just that the OP's post doesn't make much sense if you really think about it; I'm still waiting for the answer to what it really is the OP misses in LFS now compared to the "good old days".

Also, I find it unfortunate that this topic had to turn into yet another discussion about development speed. That wasn't what the OP's post was about at all, and we've discussed any and every argument in that discussion ad nauseum in numerous other threads. It never changes anything.

Quote from Fordman :

Also interesting use of word there "melancholic", used mostly in a physocology enviroment, and I take it your a physcologist of some degree (...)

I'm not a native English speaker but to me being melancholic means wistfully reminiscing (sp?) the "good old times" with a feeling of sadness because they're gone. It has nothing to do with psychology and I am not at all a psychologist.

Quote from Fordman :

No I am not depressed or mentally unstable, as your insinuating, just taking the oppotunity to express one's opinion of how I feel something has changed.

I didn't mean to insinuate you were depressed or mentally unstable, you just chose to interpret it that way, apparently.

Quote from Fordman :

Anyway enough of that, its just a matter of fact. LFS "used" to be pick up and drop as and when see fit and you all, as in a collective, all fitted in, no matter what car, track, combo, what ever we did, it worked. Now, a new Gen is on board, new rules, new regs new guidelines to follow, taking away the "fun" element from the sim racer. Now somebody else is making the choice's for us, we no longer or are being restricted through choice? Now do you see where I am going.

No, I'm afraid I don't really see where you're going. What do you mean with "new rules, new regs, new guidelines" etc etc? The general rules of racing conduct haven't really changed. So unless you used to get together on a server and ram the shit out of each other then racing is exactly the same as it used to be. I really don't know what you're talking about when you refer to those things. You join a server and race, preferably abiding by the general racing etiquette. Yes, a lot of servers now have some sort of welcoming screen where the rules are laid out for you and you're required to click a "Yes" button, but that really is more of a gimmick than anything else as like I said, if you're familiar with general racing rules and etiquette there's usually noting in those pop up screens that you don't already know.

And I have absolutely no clue what you mean by "someone else is making the choices for us". Care to explain? 'Cause really... I couldn't say what you mean by that to save my life. You choose which server you want to race on, which setup you want to you use...

Quote from Fordman :

The strive for perfection has indeed for some for most of us has taking the FUN element out of almost realism in a simulated world. We all strive for perfect, that perfect laptime, that perfect corner, that perfect overtaking move, but we enjoyed doing it.

That's not true for everyone. Yes there are people doing hundreds and hundreds of laps trying to shave that split second off their lap, but there are just as many people just racing for the thrill of racing, whether they're fast or slow it makes no difference, it's the joy of going through a corner side by side with another driver and battling it out bumper to bumper for laps on end. Personally, that's what racing is about, for me. To each his own.

Quote from Fordman :

I know, start a server, create your own, fine:

A > Give me the time of day to do this
B> Give me the money for a super fast server
C> Give me the broadband speed of T1 connections for pennies

Really all you need to setup a server is a couple of £ to rent one, really not that much. You choose a car and track to be on and you're set to go. You can make it as advanced as you want with insim apps and whatnot, but you don't have to if you don't want to. It's really not that much work.

I still don't know what it is you're looking for in a server or a race. I'm curious to know. Generally you play this game to race against other people online, right? There's still plenty of places to do that, so... I understand if you're just bored of the game itself, the same way many of us are. But to say that it has changed in such a way that you can't enjoy it anymore... I don't get that. Sure, the community has changed, which is inevitable with pretty much any online game, but there's still good places to race.

I'm not holding my breath for a Christmas release this year, but Scawen did say not too long ago that "we should see some good releases this year". That was during summer. I don't know... we've had a couple of little things in the Z28 patch but really nothing worthwhile as far as I can remember.

Either way I'm not really bothered; LFS will need to make a pretty big leap forwards for me to really get back into it and somehow I don't see that happening. Ever.

Quote from JPeace :

1, but he hasnt bought yet

Quote from brandons48 :

I got 2 in the demo.


But they sucked and didn't buy

The thread title clearly says "how many did you convice to buy". So in your cases the answer is zero.

Quote from danowat :

LOL

:ices_rofl

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

rig n roll is finally almost finished!?
wow, that game should've been done in 2006 or something, I pointed it out to a friend of mine and we were like, wow a truck sim.
That would be nice.
So we waited and we waited, 'till we decided we should like, try other/older truck 'sims' and were disappointed.
Now we just see what happens.

Rin n Roll was released in Russia last month. You can buy it if you feel you can't wait any longer (like a lot of people did) but the game will be in Russian

To be honest, from what I've read on the forum I'm quite disappointed. It seems to have a number of bugs and performance issues, and some lacking features that I thought were pretty important in a trucking game. Mind you, it's not a sim They set out to create a sim early in the beginning - what, 6 years ago now? - but moved away from that to make a more arcade type of game. The physics are supposed to be decent, though, so that's something at least.

Quote from Dajmin :

My life has certainly been enriched with the benefit of that knowledge. How I survived before I will never understand. Truly this will be a merry Christmas.

:ices_rofl

Quote from boosterfire :

Wait, are those originally Vauxhalls or Opels? Or is it the same thing?

They're the same thing as far as I know. In the UK they're Vauxhall's while in the rest of Europe they're Opel.

Quote from CoolColJ :

LOL :up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2uSMKcBb1w

That's actually quite interesting, as there are virtually no trucking sims or games with "believable" physics out there, save for maybe 1 or 2 obscure projects still under development (and excluding Rig N Roll which is scheduled for international release somewhere next month, but I'm not sure how good it'll be).

You (Fordman) have posted a similar thread a while back. I have to ask: what's stopping you from setting up a server the way you want for all the people you believe miss the "good old days"? I don't agree that the aim for realism has taken the fun out of LFS and also I think there's plenty of "plug n play" servers around. You make it sound as if all servers now have some fancy insim app running that you don't enjoy or whatever, but that's not the case. You can still just hop on any of the majority of the servers and drive. Sounds to me like you're just being melancholic for the sake of it; it's not the game that has changed in such a way that you don't enjoy it anymore, it's you who's changed.

Just my two cents.

I wouldn't say they are crap, the Opel Insignia won car of the year award I don't know if that really means anything, though.

Quote from NitroNitrous :

Do you really think someone cares about it?

Lots of people care about it. Most of them just live in the UK

Quote from blackbird04217 :

(...) owning a Dodge Viper by the age of 25, (July 2020)(...)

Wait... if you're going to be 25 in 2020 you must be 14 - 15 now, right? You seem awfully mature and experienced for a 15 year old Or am I completely failing at simple maths?

I enjoyed the first game and this one is definitely on my wishlist, but I can't afford to buy it right now Luckily I just got Brütal Legend as an early christmas gift to keep me entertained. Awesome game if you're a metalhead

In fact, I dare say that the people who have posted the most negative feedback on this demo have never even played Forza. But I can understand it's a lot easier to just lable anyone who doesn't like GT a "Forza bitch"

Quote from PaulC2K :

There are Forza bitches posting in here, and im not refering to the people who play forza and like it, but the people who play it, like it, and because they play Forza they pass judgement on other games in an identical bias way to how i just did above, with prejudice and possibly without even playing it and instead forming an opinion from other Forza bitches.

I'd love to see some of those posts on the last few pages of this thread. Could you point me to them? 'Cause I can't say I remember reading any such posts

Quote from Riksta :

it is obviously a commercial reason why it is late, anyone who has worked for a big company will know it is near impossible to get signoff.

As the first commercial car maker car, in the game, there is obviously a fair amount of $$$ behind it.

Considering how many tracks/car's they have pumped out allready, I doubt it is for technical reasons.

Maybe the GFC has had something to do with it as well, payment for the inclusion from VW.

Lol, what rock have you been living under the past year?

Quote from Gills4life :

Some people here had no intention in giving positive feedback anyway.

I guess we can just assume that "some people" were going to give positive feedback no matter what then, too

Quote from morpha :

A real life screenshot is called "photograph" btw.

Haha, good call!

Quote from nikopdr :

What youre basically try to do here is get a flamewar going on. Sure all consoles have their ups and downs, but mostly dawesdust and the folks will come here.

I agree. Seriously, what the **** were you thinking starting a poll like this. This reeks of flamebaiting.

Hmm, well obviously I'm not going to buy a new monitor just to try this out, especially since the one I've got now (a Samsung SyncMaster 226) isn't even a year old, I think.

Oh well

Quote from zapz :

What refresh rates were you using? 120Hz (60 per eye) is the minimum. I've tried to get away with 100hz, but my eye end up blood shot.

Hmm, then I guess I shouldn't try this as I've got a 22" TFT that can only handle 60hz Am I right in thinking that you need a CRT monitor then, as I think most TFT's/LCD's only use 60hz?