http://mediacenter.corriere.it ... 36-11db-8b30-0003ba99c53b
Looks like stadium CCTV by the robotic jerky movement, but it shows quite a lot of what was going on in a pretty close quarter rather than zoomed right out and editted to show the 'juicy bits'.
Its not 100% how i remember things though, the charge in this website is shown in a completely different light, where the ultras are doing all the tauting and the utd fans standing behind the stewards line about 10 meters back, and then a few breaking through, but its hardly an mass charging, its more like tippy-toeing forward. As i say, that last bit definately doesnt show things correctly, im pretty sure there must have been a section off screen which broke away more aggressively in the later stages.
Theres definately clear examples of fans 'talking' with the riot police and then suddenly getting a beating for it, and bang on the 5min mark, there doesnt really seem to be anything happening, the some fans look to be yelling at the cops in anger over their actions, not inviting them or taunting them to kick-off, and yet all of a sudden the cops come forward fans start running away and the battons still continue to swing out to catch anyone they can.
That isnt Policing a situation, its just brutality.
Clearly the majority of fans are trying to calm the situ down and they're either seriously misjudging things (**** knows how, its pretty clear to see! Doesnt need any translation to get that message) as being threatening behaviour or they're just pig ignorant and feel they're above the law.
Ive not yet seen anything other than a still photo from the Spurs game, rarely turn the TV on and its hardly ever for the news
Looks like stadium CCTV by the robotic jerky movement, but it shows quite a lot of what was going on in a pretty close quarter rather than zoomed right out and editted to show the 'juicy bits'.
Its not 100% how i remember things though, the charge in this website is shown in a completely different light, where the ultras are doing all the tauting and the utd fans standing behind the stewards line about 10 meters back, and then a few breaking through, but its hardly an mass charging, its more like tippy-toeing forward. As i say, that last bit definately doesnt show things correctly, im pretty sure there must have been a section off screen which broke away more aggressively in the later stages.
Theres definately clear examples of fans 'talking' with the riot police and then suddenly getting a beating for it, and bang on the 5min mark, there doesnt really seem to be anything happening, the some fans look to be yelling at the cops in anger over their actions, not inviting them or taunting them to kick-off, and yet all of a sudden the cops come forward fans start running away and the battons still continue to swing out to catch anyone they can.
That isnt Policing a situation, its just brutality.
Clearly the majority of fans are trying to calm the situ down and they're either seriously misjudging things (**** knows how, its pretty clear to see! Doesnt need any translation to get that message) as being threatening behaviour or they're just pig ignorant and feel they're above the law.
Ive not yet seen anything other than a still photo from the Spurs game, rarely turn the TV on and its hardly ever for the news
They're Idiots FFS, but that doesnt justify the events.
They dealt with things on the Roma side just fine moving them away, yet the coppers for no other reason than the fact they felt they had licence to go in swinging.
If voilence was the ONLY way of braking things up, then maybe it could be argued as being justifiable, but you just have to use that youtube vid as proof, someone smacked round the head on the ground in a ball and the copper is in such grave danger from the bloke curled up protecting himself he feels he better swing a few times more, ignore the bloke asking him to calm down, and swings away some more.
The problem isnt the fans, its the police mentality that they can do this sort of thing and they're above the law. They mentioned not that long ago a riot police guy was killed during a similar type incident, NO ****ING WONDER!! Sooner or later doing that to the fans someone is going to turn round and start dishing it back out!
It wasnt unprovoked, the Utd fans werent angels minding their own business, but the actions of the police were WAY out of line, and you only have to look at the scale of government dept interest in this. Even that sh*thouse swedish ref (Anders Frisk) was at the game and basically said what we all know, that they're notorious for it, but get away with it. He was ref'ing a game there a few years back and was hit by a coin or something and the game was cancelled, was maybe 2 years back.
As for the Roma fans being 'banned' it'll never happen, but what will happen is the GMP will bankroll the match for every damn penny they can and use it as a perfect reason to demand additional money for games. I think its the wrong time of year for it, you can usually tell when the match day dibble are about to request additional funding, they turn up en-mass with there TV cameras perfectly placed to capture all the action, bizarrely at the same time as something rather coincidental like the away fans being allowed out at full time rather than being held back, or very little escorting of fans etc.
Still, it wasnt the Roma fans behind the main incident, there was the usual Ultra action going on before the game but nothing most people didnt already expect and possibly a few ultra's took a beating when attacking fans too. But as its been said the British scene has calmed down considerably, being a Utd ST holder the number of bloody daytrippers probably helps, and i actually have the 'honour' of having the prawn sarnie munching lot starting the row infront of me (2nd tier, facing the TV cams - bloody great seats, esp as the 2 seats infront have been occupied for half the games, then its the tunnel into the exec area we sneak into each game
).It'll be the same thing as with Lille though, all talk and no action. Although having Platini as #1 its no damn wonder he'd smooth things over. I think Utd got something like a £6k fine, Lille got £33k, which in my mind is 4hrs of Rio's salary, and possibly 2 weeks/10 days wage for Lille's top player.
That'll teach em.
Moosy, its also adding to a reputation that trouble follows English fans, which is far from the case.
Woz - You have a rather early 80's outlook on the whole 'people go to football matches just to fight', im pretty sure they could have got that in Salford if they wanted!
The video is a bit crap though, during the actual game (maybe half time) they actually showed it from much further out, from the Roma fans charging at the plexiglass and taughting and thats when the Utd fans did the same. The Roma fans had stewards kindly asking them to step away, the Utd fans got a batton round the skull.
Saying they were looking for a fight is bullcrap, its the same thing with most wannabee hoolies with the police line, its all 'come on then' and all the macho bullshit. They knew there was plexi and were just looking to be berti big bollox.
Its the same thing everywhere on the continent, Italy is very well known for their rubber bullets and batton weilding maniacs who see someone and start swinging. We've seen the same from the Spanish police, the Italians the night before and only a couple of weeks back the French were at it (again, to Utd fans being crushed, throw in some tear gas to calm the situation!!) and of course thanks to the hooligans at international matches just adds to a reputation, and these moronic coppers receive all the licence they feel they need to just go in swinging.
If the 2 sets of fans which charged at each other had been left to be idiots seperated by the barrier, would all hell have broke loose? So what exactly was the reason for going in swinging, there was no attempt to move people on, it was go in swinging, there were people moving away and they were grabbed back and given a beating, so exactly how can it be justified?
'No rush, no beating' my arse, that doesnt justify the police swinging away at people WITHOUT warning (At least Menezes got that much!) because they ran at people with a bloody plexiglass barrier between then.
2 set of fans did exactly the same thing, 1 lot got the crap beat out of them, the other was kindly ushered away and offered a selection of snacks and champaigne.
Idiots, yes, deserving of anything they were on the receiving end from a trigger happy bunch of coppers, hell no. If you think otherwise Woz then your an idiot too.
The video is a bit crap though, during the actual game (maybe half time) they actually showed it from much further out, from the Roma fans charging at the plexiglass and taughting and thats when the Utd fans did the same. The Roma fans had stewards kindly asking them to step away, the Utd fans got a batton round the skull.
Saying they were looking for a fight is bullcrap, its the same thing with most wannabee hoolies with the police line, its all 'come on then' and all the macho bullshit. They knew there was plexi and were just looking to be berti big bollox.
Its the same thing everywhere on the continent, Italy is very well known for their rubber bullets and batton weilding maniacs who see someone and start swinging. We've seen the same from the Spanish police, the Italians the night before and only a couple of weeks back the French were at it (again, to Utd fans being crushed, throw in some tear gas to calm the situation!!) and of course thanks to the hooligans at international matches just adds to a reputation, and these moronic coppers receive all the licence they feel they need to just go in swinging.
If the 2 sets of fans which charged at each other had been left to be idiots seperated by the barrier, would all hell have broke loose? So what exactly was the reason for going in swinging, there was no attempt to move people on, it was go in swinging, there were people moving away and they were grabbed back and given a beating, so exactly how can it be justified?
'No rush, no beating' my arse, that doesnt justify the police swinging away at people WITHOUT warning (At least Menezes got that much!) because they ran at people with a bloody plexiglass barrier between then.
2 set of fans did exactly the same thing, 1 lot got the crap beat out of them, the other was kindly ushered away and offered a selection of snacks and champaigne.
Idiots, yes, deserving of anything they were on the receiving end from a trigger happy bunch of coppers, hell no. If you think otherwise Woz then your an idiot too.
LFS User Account Name - PaulC2K
LFS Racer Name - (\/) P. Chapman
Team - Mercury Racing Team
Race Number - 77
#16. PaulC2K (\/) P. Chapman Mercury 77
LFS Racer Name - (\/) P. Chapman
Team - Mercury Racing Team
Race Number - 77
#16. PaulC2K (\/) P. Chapman Mercury 77
If were going to be pedantic at least make sure your being pedantic about the right word
"today i saw two people who are using our team skins... i spent several hours to create them.... and then there are thefts.... is there a possibility to prevent thefts from stealing team skins? or to tell an admin?"
Hence the word 'Thieves' which was being corrected.
'Theft' is the act
'Thieves' are the people doing it.
'Theaves' is what bad spellers accuse Thieves of being
'Theives' is how i my fingers keep wanting to type 'Thieves'
"today i saw two people who are using our team skins... i spent several hours to create them.... and then there are thefts.... is there a possibility to prevent thefts from stealing team skins? or to tell an admin?"
Hence the word 'Thieves' which was being corrected.
'Theft' is the act
'Thieves' are the people doing it.
'Theaves' is what bad spellers accuse Thieves of being
'Theives' is how i my fingers keep wanting to type 'Thieves'
hehe, pedantic sods the pair of you
(and if thats spelt wrong i dont care for the correct spelling either )Dragon/Zoomy
Its one way of doing it i guess, a little messy and could be slow or problematic trying to check that the skins havent been updated or arent in your archive.
Still, whatever protection is given its always going to be complicated and more hassle than the issue really warrants.
I dont want the skins i've created being used by anyone i havent given expressed permission to, just like many other people, however the whole issue is rather isolated and minor that its quite tricky trying to justify someone taking the time to do all that just because a handful or muppets voilate people's requests. Take a look at LFS and the stage its at, the size of the workforce and then look at the other alternatives out there in comparison, and then say time needs to be spent stopping this from happening. It would be nice to see this implemented, but i wouldnt hold my breath on anything materialising (as with 99% of suggestions in general) for any resonable period of time if ever.
Still, as a solution to a problem it seems viable and more managable compared to alternatives (esp as its a mix of web and game coding required).
Im just wizzing through to watch it a 2nd time, damn not being able to jump to a point in time or rewind grrrrr.
When rejoining and then stop-starting for whatever reasons, the rules say your fine to get straight in and race however you have to accept that your way behind everyone and the only people you can hope to beat are future disconnectors and the likes. If things like hardware made it really bad to drive then you shouldnt have taken part, you'd have been much better sitting this one out and just accepting it and allowing everyone else the chance to have a clean fair fight on the track. You'd expect the same from others, and in a controlled & organised environment you really need to show more respect to the other people on the track, a mobile chicane can be a real f*cker to race with because you dont know what the other person is going to do. It causes problems.
If you had phonecalls you HAD to answer, spectate.
Ultimately YOU are responsible for the car your driving, and through whatever reason their are problems they are your doing. If you have distractions, irratic frames, a bad ping, or a sh*t controller... those are things you have to accept responsibility for, as they arent at the control of anyone else.
The correct thing to do was accept it was never going to be your day and just sat it out from spectator or something, attempting to take part while risking ruining the race and enjoyment of it for everyone else so you could pick up scraps points was never going to be a popular move.
With that said though, ignoring the fact that i dont think you should have been out on the track in the first place or that you were nothing more than a completely unpredictable moving hazard... there isnt quite the evil scheming on display that the thread seems to be making out there is.
I was kinda expecting some noticeable cases of team tactics which schumi would hold his hand up and say he'd never thought to do such a thing, then pat James on the back for it, but tbh its quite the let-down
The laptimes were consistant (consistantly bad) but mistakes made every lap, crawling through obviously tricky corners were done lap in lap out, there wasnt anything that stood out that was being done from 1 lap to another, he was shit through T1, T2, T3, T4...... and for the most part everyone gets past the crawling car without any issues, DuVeL included.
First incident - Lap 7/36
Blue flag comes on last banked corner, plenty of distance behind to carry on, same sh*t speed through the chicane and stayed on usual line, stayed tight and moved right over off the power after the hairpin.
There wasnt any weaving, changing of racing line, and no slower speeds than any other lap.
My verdict - Bad luck, wrong place at the wrong time, no sign of intent there.
Similar thing happened to one of the 1st guys towards the end.
Second incident - Lap 9/40
Blue flag appeared over race S/F line, moved off racing line and braked early enough.
Nothing to report.
Third incident - Lap 10/42
Particularly slow out of 1st sector hairpin, allowed Spankypants through and picked up speed 1/4 down the straight. Plenty of time with blue flag up, very little attempt to come off the throttle, move off the racing line or as mentioned 'drive onto the grass for some people' in this particular case.
Went from just before 1st split to just before 2nd split making zero attempt to move over and let the car through.
DuVeL lost about 1 - 1.5sec in 1 sector alone.
My verdict - Either A) 100% intentional blocking of DuVeL, B) Complete disrespect to another leading driver, C) All the above.
I vote C.
I have nothing against James, Spankypants or DR, and nothing 'for' DuVeL, there are incidents where something has been made of nothing, but then there is also pretty damning proof that he had no intention of moving over to let DuVeL past. There was ample passing time, and this was shown for everyone else at the first viable opportunity or as claimed 'driving off the track and onto the grass' and yet this 'generosity' was never considered for a 30 second strip of track. Places where James previously moved over to allow people through wasnt done, instead the racing line at race pace was the call.
James, i think your really wasting your time here, you cannot defend your actions here, you shouldnt have been on the track in the first place with the conditions you had, and not content with being a mobile hazard for everyone (95% un-intentionally, 5% intentionally) and then you decide to hold someone up for 1/3 of the lap. You cant defend letting everyone by the moment you realise they're there, and then give the 'F1 give you X warnings/X distance' excuse, because thats clearly you applying 1 rule for 95% of the drivers and a seperate one for the guy that just happens to be on the tail of your teammate.
People would understand if it was 1 issue, but you took controller issues, team tactics/driver blocking and a disrespect for everyone else on the track, and for some reason expect people to be understanding. 1 problem, fair enough, 2 and your pushing your luck, but start doing everything you can to ruin races and you'll find very little understanding or sympathy for your actions. Its clear for me to analyse what you had little control over and what you had intent for, most of it was accidental cases of being a major pain in the butt for everyone, but the last incident you knew exactly what you were doing. Was that a kicking out offense, not really, but combined with everything else you did its completely undefendable.
When rejoining and then stop-starting for whatever reasons, the rules say your fine to get straight in and race however you have to accept that your way behind everyone and the only people you can hope to beat are future disconnectors and the likes. If things like hardware made it really bad to drive then you shouldnt have taken part, you'd have been much better sitting this one out and just accepting it and allowing everyone else the chance to have a clean fair fight on the track. You'd expect the same from others, and in a controlled & organised environment you really need to show more respect to the other people on the track, a mobile chicane can be a real f*cker to race with because you dont know what the other person is going to do. It causes problems.
If you had phonecalls you HAD to answer, spectate.
Ultimately YOU are responsible for the car your driving, and through whatever reason their are problems they are your doing. If you have distractions, irratic frames, a bad ping, or a sh*t controller... those are things you have to accept responsibility for, as they arent at the control of anyone else.
The correct thing to do was accept it was never going to be your day and just sat it out from spectator or something, attempting to take part while risking ruining the race and enjoyment of it for everyone else so you could pick up scraps points was never going to be a popular move.
With that said though, ignoring the fact that i dont think you should have been out on the track in the first place or that you were nothing more than a completely unpredictable moving hazard... there isnt quite the evil scheming on display that the thread seems to be making out there is.
I was kinda expecting some noticeable cases of team tactics which schumi would hold his hand up and say he'd never thought to do such a thing, then pat James on the back for it, but tbh its quite the let-down
The laptimes were consistant (consistantly bad) but mistakes made every lap, crawling through obviously tricky corners were done lap in lap out, there wasnt anything that stood out that was being done from 1 lap to another, he was shit through T1, T2, T3, T4...... and for the most part everyone gets past the crawling car without any issues, DuVeL included.
First incident - Lap 7/36
Blue flag comes on last banked corner, plenty of distance behind to carry on, same sh*t speed through the chicane and stayed on usual line, stayed tight and moved right over off the power after the hairpin.
There wasnt any weaving, changing of racing line, and no slower speeds than any other lap.
My verdict - Bad luck, wrong place at the wrong time, no sign of intent there.
Similar thing happened to one of the 1st guys towards the end.
Second incident - Lap 9/40
Blue flag appeared over race S/F line, moved off racing line and braked early enough.
Nothing to report.
Third incident - Lap 10/42
Particularly slow out of 1st sector hairpin, allowed Spankypants through and picked up speed 1/4 down the straight. Plenty of time with blue flag up, very little attempt to come off the throttle, move off the racing line or as mentioned 'drive onto the grass for some people' in this particular case.
Went from just before 1st split to just before 2nd split making zero attempt to move over and let the car through.
DuVeL lost about 1 - 1.5sec in 1 sector alone.
My verdict - Either A) 100% intentional blocking of DuVeL, B) Complete disrespect to another leading driver, C) All the above.
I vote C.
I have nothing against James, Spankypants or DR, and nothing 'for' DuVeL, there are incidents where something has been made of nothing, but then there is also pretty damning proof that he had no intention of moving over to let DuVeL past. There was ample passing time, and this was shown for everyone else at the first viable opportunity or as claimed 'driving off the track and onto the grass' and yet this 'generosity' was never considered for a 30 second strip of track. Places where James previously moved over to allow people through wasnt done, instead the racing line at race pace was the call.
James, i think your really wasting your time here, you cannot defend your actions here, you shouldnt have been on the track in the first place with the conditions you had, and not content with being a mobile hazard for everyone (95% un-intentionally, 5% intentionally) and then you decide to hold someone up for 1/3 of the lap. You cant defend letting everyone by the moment you realise they're there, and then give the 'F1 give you X warnings/X distance' excuse, because thats clearly you applying 1 rule for 95% of the drivers and a seperate one for the guy that just happens to be on the tail of your teammate.
People would understand if it was 1 issue, but you took controller issues, team tactics/driver blocking and a disrespect for everyone else on the track, and for some reason expect people to be understanding. 1 problem, fair enough, 2 and your pushing your luck, but start doing everything you can to ruin races and you'll find very little understanding or sympathy for your actions. Its clear for me to analyse what you had little control over and what you had intent for, most of it was accidental cases of being a major pain in the butt for everyone, but the last incident you knew exactly what you were doing. Was that a kicking out offense, not really, but combined with everything else you did its completely undefendable.
When uploading to LFSW it states quite clearly
Rules and regulations:
DO NOT upload skins which contain offensive images!
If a skin that contains nudity, pornographic, racist or any other extremely offensive content is uploaded, the skin(s) will be removed without notice and you will no longer be allowed to upload skins here.
So 'illegal' no, it doesnt exactly break laws as such, but as it says, it'd be removed and before long you'd be shown the door.
If you dont upload it to LFSW then nobody can see it but yourself, if you upload it onto the forum to show it off, then thats simply all your doing. You can look at photos all over the net, but you try using some of them without the expressed right to and see how that goes. Its the property of the owner, and its their call.
But regardless of that if something is NOT for other people, then thats how it is, if i do something and say nobody else can have what i've made then thats my right as the creator, just because someone choses to show something off doesnt make it acceptable to ignore the request of the maker.
No ifs, buts, or maybe's.
Rules and regulations:
DO NOT upload skins which contain offensive images!
If a skin that contains nudity, pornographic, racist or any other extremely offensive content is uploaded, the skin(s) will be removed without notice and you will no longer be allowed to upload skins here.
So 'illegal' no, it doesnt exactly break laws as such, but as it says, it'd be removed and before long you'd be shown the door.
If you dont upload it to LFSW then nobody can see it but yourself, if you upload it onto the forum to show it off, then thats simply all your doing. You can look at photos all over the net, but you try using some of them without the expressed right to and see how that goes. Its the property of the owner, and its their call.
But regardless of that if something is NOT for other people, then thats how it is, if i do something and say nobody else can have what i've made then thats my right as the creator, just because someone choses to show something off doesnt make it acceptable to ignore the request of the maker.
No ifs, buts, or maybe's.
Its pretty hard to lay claim on some sort of copyright to the skin file when your using logos without permission... sure, but claiming it for private use shouldnt be an issue.
Theres not much that can be done to stop someone else using your skins, they only need to download it into skins_x and rename it and/or edit it and its completely out of your hands. Theres already an fairly established team still using team skins they know to be alternate coloured versions of someone elses skin (pretty much pixel for pixel) but what do you do. They didnt do it on purpose but when notified that what they were using was a rip-off of someone elses work it hasnt stopped them carrying on using it.
Anyway, mr Vykos, im assuming then your fully behind the whole community driving around in your newly re-branded race colours? Thats the coolest thing they could ever do, right?
Tell you what, they can be part of your 'cool' group, im quite happy with just the people i want to use them doing so. I dont need any approval from random people.
Thats all good and well if its just some random skin you created, but as the thread was talking about stolen TEAM skins then exactly how can 'compliment' that away?
Its identity theift to a (pathetic) degree, Its a skin/file intended for the use of 1 individual or all users of a SET group, not an open 'feel free' group of people. So im going to assume your not for a second suggesting its quite alright for anyone to just randomly drive round in any teams colours - tag or no tag, because thats just not how things go.
Team skins are off-limits unless your in that team, and IMO so are personal skins that you want to be the unique wearer of that skin. Posting it and then saying 'hands off' is asking for trouble, but doesnt make it any more acceptable to go against someones request.
Ultimately, if someone says hands off, thats how it should be and the same should go for Team skins without even having to say their private.
As i say, going to assume your just talking about individual random designs, though i dont entirely agree with your thinking.
I was using R2s in the Div1 race, and they were really consistant and i didnt have a problem. I have to admit that the setup was absolutely beautiful, the fact that Bawbag was literally smashing the WR time most laps just goes to show that. He'd sent me a Qual and a Race setup about 45min before qualifying started, and i managed to do 5-6 laps and had to keep telling him i was running the qual set because he didnt think it could be as they were still in perfect condition.
It was a delight to drive it, it was capable of stepping out unlike a version pecker had made which is a great newbie setup i'd say, definately lets you get away with a bit more as you find your feet. Baggies would step out on the odd corner but as long as you countered it and eased off if need be you'd be fine, and that sweeping corner before the 2nd sector split, simply awesome! It just held so well, far better than i was having beforehand, cornering and exit speeds were much higher, mid-corner i was doing close to my exit speed before then.
I dont know what made it special, but to me that setup was dialed. It made me much faster than i thought i could be round there, a good 0.75sec faster, and my PB lap was done on the last lap of race 2, having had a bit of a scrap for the position the 2-3 laps previous where i was out of shape a few times, so still being able to put in a PB after that is a testiment to just how much it helps to have a setup that really does work well. 100 laps round there in 3 days helps too, but other than that i dont think ive driven round there in anything before then.
Just wish i didnt screw up both races on the same corner and both opening laps too , first race clipped the inside of the corner after the 1st split, just caught it before it went too far but got a little damage, then screwed it up again a few laps later just as i was catching the tail end of the pack. 2nd race just a stupid mistake, too busy being concerned about the 2 cars alongside me and ran out of road on the outside as the track kinks into the damn corner that almost rolled me first race. Good race, but would have been better had it not been spoiled by my own stupidity
I did some rendering at the weekend, started at 4pm Saturday, and with minimal pausing it was completed 21hrs later!!
I did 3 complex renders, the first which was a test run and still needs to be redone (6-12hr job maybe) and the other 2 were alternative scenes.
been meaning to show the Merc guys this all weekend but havent uploaded it for them, so once i've got them online i'll stick a link in here for them
I did 3 complex renders, the first which was a test run and still needs to be redone (6-12hr job maybe) and the other 2 were alternative scenes.
been meaning to show the Merc guys this all weekend but havent uploaded it for them, so once i've got them online i'll stick a link in here for them
Its a sick insensitive prick thing is what it is!
ahh i just looked on race calander and saw 20:00, figured everyone was using UTC
awww, i was going to ask that 
Figured it would be 1900GMT if we were sticking with the 2000 UTC time, just wanted to double check that was the case, as i can imagine a few may get caught out by this one.
Figured it would be 1900GMT if we were sticking with the 2000 UTC time, just wanted to double check that was the case, as i can imagine a few may get caught out by this one.
Ummm, not getting upset, nor different directions, just telling it like it is.
This forum has the same stupid topics repeated day in day out, LFS progress is done at the pace of 3 people - their pace and their methods. if 3 people say they'll do things faster for more money then its probably only fair to actually do things faster when taking that money. the dev team 'listen' to the 'when is it coming out' and similar day in day out and are still hear 5+ years on, i think a thread where people are offering to donate to help isnt likely to be the straw that broke the camels back.... and i think that covers everything, oh and plenty of people have paid for more than they've received, some like myself back in 2002 and while i'd love to have a completed S3 with everything the dev team have planned for it, i'd want it how they'd want it - done correctly, but the majority of people know the score and accept it (part reluctantly, part in agreement) but theres always going to be people wanting the world tomorrow and those people havent put the Dev team off getting this far.
To be honest/accurate nobody has actually paid for S3, whether they think/claim they have or not (yeah, even though i just claimed i did in the last post) as S3 upgrade has no price on its head yet, what you can do is send them money and that is put into your account, its a non refundable amount which you can use it for whatever you chose thats LFS related, whether its licences, uber LFS SMS messages
or to access premium pubstats, i have £11.99 thanks to damn Pubstats taking something like 0.000001 from my £12 (damn you pubstats!! ) so i'll have to send another quid (or more) in order to get S3 someday.If LFS ended tomorrow, maybe you could argue about not getting S2, but nobody would have a leg to stand on regarding S3, it doesnt exist and they have never taken a penny for it. The only great loss would be on the potential of LFS, not a financial one to the community.
Plenty of people have paid for S3, you dont hear them demanding S3 be released do you? I paid up my £36 before S1 was released, and i'd bet maybe a thousand others did around then.
If you'd been around longer than a month you'd have realised this is nothing more than the usual goings on here, people are always asking when the next feature is coming out, someones always making the suggestion that we should have spinners, NOS and fatboy exhaust pipes, and basically 75% of the posts on here are repeated nonsense. If the Developement team took any of this to heart they'd have ditched LFS before it even hit S1 stages let alone now.
This specific thread that you've chose to post in, saying 'Perhaps they dont want any extra money because then we would expect faster updates' is about the suggestion that if they paid more would it speed up progress, so yes i guess if the dev team did take people up on that offer then a few people would kinda expect faster updates, thats what the idea would be not to pay to speed things up while they take just as long.
Its people throwing ideas around, not making demands, just tossing ideas back n forth as to ways they could help, in this case it wasnt really going to work as it goes against what the Dev team have always stood for, progress at their pace, not at the whim of customers or publishers.
I hope thats not suggesting that if the unthinkable happened and progress was stretched further than they could manage that you'd rather see them fail than try to help them out?
I can understand to a point that they're in complete control and they could just effectively hash-job it to get it finished within 'budget' rather than run out of funds and be left with an incomplete product, but the way you put it almost sounds like you'd have no sympathy and wouldnt want to offer help of keeping things going, you'd done your bit and that was your role complete.
Each to their own i guess, and i'd agree the community shouldnt be almost held to ransom to finish their project if they've just took their time and its their fault its incomplete, but i would hope that people would understand both sides of the arguement whether some chose not to pay while others feel people should help.
Hopefully that scenario will never arrise though, though i have to wonder just how they are coping on the budget side of things. When you consider that progress is far slower than originally anticipated (possibly assumption, not sure thats been said officially, but i'd bet they never expected 2+ years between stages) so thats one heck of a strain on the original plans for developement. I dont know how involved Victor is these days, so maybe thats one aspect its had where it was felt Vic's part needed to go to lift some strain on the purse strings to help subsidise the project.
Im just quite suprised we havent seen or heard anything on the proposed Rally Pack from about 2 years back, it was commented on yonks ago and seems to have vanished quicker than a fart in a bathtub. I would have thought such projects might have been released as addon packs for minimal fees (maybe rally as a freebie as it was originally intended to be distributed openly).
I dont know what Eric is up to these days (not many people do since S1 and frequent progress reports are no more) to know just how much work he has on his plate when compared to Scawen who (i think) is left to do everything non-model/gfx based.
Still, its all 2nd guessing assumptions based on the little tid-bits we pick up isnt it.
Just checked now and it says my licence is expired, however im pretty sure that for a few of the events early last year (maybe late 05) i was able to join the event without any hassle. I guess theres the possibility it was taking track purchased credits i had from my account rather than using an extended/expired 1yr licence.
I dont know if theres a specific way to check short of clicking on 'Register Now' and seeing what happens (which could be it takes a credit without asking for confirmation, meh sod it!... okay i'll try with a track ive bought!! i thought Amstetten was Heemsteade or however its spelt, looks similar from the pic)
YEY, Paulie wins!
and a quick check of my balance, still says 28 credits
My credit purchase shows added credits from tracks, but none removed (but then it does say 'purchase history' so maybe it doesnt all activity).
If you need me to run any test then drop me a PM and i can check things for you whenever you need confirmation of any changes etc.
Paul
The thread was suggesting donating additional funds to speed up progress, i think we all know that additional funds wouldnt speed it up, and i think that point was made within the first 5 posts. I think most people would be willing to entertain other options they'd pay for additional content or something, but on the context of paying for it to speed up progress we all know it wouldnt make an ounce of a difference because it will be done at whatever pace it takes the 3-man team. If it would speed things up and bring additional content i'd be more than happy to do so, partly because its kinda got to a point where it feels like a significant patch is a year appart, and as i said in my original post i geniunely dont see S3 Final before 2010 and i'd say thats optimistic. But they're not so much interested in speeding up developement more a case of getting it done their way, which has its + & - points, some which could mean half the people here from the beginning will have lost interest in sim-racing by the time its finished which to me is a great shame, but then so would be rushing it.
And if your too stupid to have recognised the same thing then your just as stupid to actually recognise someone spouting rubbish because they'd rather turn am in-jest comment into a case of national hatred.
That is the sort of crap people have to get used to.
Or maybe it just hinges on the fact that you cant interpret something thats said as hatred for something thats just a passing comment where you never give a single thought for anyone else in the exact same circumstances when its on the other foot?
Its just made to be this huge statement as to how unjust it all is that Americans are being ripped off, the fact that you pay about 60% of the price for every other game on the market doesnt seem to concern you, what DOES concern you is paying more than average for ONE game. Where is the outrage that we're (Europeans) paying more for every other game on the market?
Maybe its just arrogance that you think you should get it cheaper, or maybe its just far easier to MAKE ASSUMPTIONS (like my last comment ) about someone which fit your pathetic little adjenda? We can all take comments completely out of context and turn you into a 'f*ck everyone else USA rules we have a devine right to have everything cheaper than everyone else like we do for all other games' type character, its fairly easy isnt it, just make assumptions and twist things to be convenient.
So how about in future instead of making rash assumptions about someone you actually read a little more into what the person is saying instead of assuming every comment about americans HAS to be negative so start bashing before actually reading. You ignored the fact that there were 2 winking emoticons and a tongue pulling one and just interpretted everything as some Yankie-bashing excersise and figured rather f*ck what it really was, lets bring out the US Patented Friendly-Fire™!
You pay no more than anyone else for this game, You paid £12 per licence, just as everyone else who has paid for their licence, the fact that every other game you've bought has been cheaper than the European price makes you LUCKY, but apparently what it actually makes you is down right UNGRATEFUL of the fact.
I did modify a couple of textures to the DDS version and realised there was no way in hell i was going to do that for every single texture, it'd take waaaaay too long, and as i'd already put a scene together and didnt want to have to do it to a model only scene and import it in again, i just converted the dds files to tga's
There wasnt that many, 43 for all 18 original S2 cars, dont have the BF1 model as the only link ive seen for someones version was dead.
Currently paused during render, 6hrs in and about 40% through :'(
Definately need a couple of those crazy quad-core Xeon's in my box, i have another CPU killer render for it in the morning if its finished doing this one by then anyway.
Davo - No included textures, just the scenes themselves, guess it keeps the filesize down low.
If anyone wants the converted dds files drop me a PM and i'll rar em up and stick them online, they're 28.7mb unpacked and..... 6.62mb packed, sweet
There wasnt that many, 43 for all 18 original S2 cars, dont have the BF1 model as the only link ive seen for someones version was dead.
Currently paused during render, 6hrs in and about 40% through :'(
Definately need a couple of those crazy quad-core Xeon's in my box, i have another CPU killer render for it in the morning if its finished doing this one by then anyway.
Davo - No included textures, just the scenes themselves, guess it keeps the filesize down low.
If anyone wants the converted dds files drop me a PM and i'll rar em up and stick them online, they're 28.7mb unpacked and..... 6.62mb packed, sweet
RE: Yanks and their US Dollar making LFS rather expensive...
WELCOME TO OUR WORLD!!!
We (Europeans) frequently get screwed over compared to the American market, key reason being astronomical Tax to be fair, and the 1 time you have to pay slightly over the odds and its like its 'OMG can you believe this!!!'
This is a game/sim produced in europe, bend over and take it like a man
WELCOME TO OUR WORLD!!!
We (Europeans) frequently get screwed over compared to the American market, key reason being astronomical Tax to be fair, and the 1 time you have to pay slightly over the odds and its like its 'OMG can you believe this!!!'
This is a game/sim produced in europe, bend over and take it like a man
okay, i'll see if i can figure that much out.
I knew the causes for the errors but not a fix short of manually converting the dds files to tga, which is what ive done for the other few ive rendered.
I knew the causes for the errors but not a fix short of manually converting the dds files to tga, which is what ive done for the other few ive rendered.
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