In so many words, Scavier should turn to politically-correct newspeak for any and all PR items, should ask for the forum community's permission to do anything, and LFS should also be committee-designed by the forum community.
Anything else?
Anything else?
There's no need for bloom or any other eye candy for eye candy's sake.
I'd take better sound esthetics to go with what's already great functionality (inarguably better than e.g. iRacing's), before any major graphics updates. Graphics wise I'd only add small functional bits, e.g. brake glow, sparks, bodywork damage.
Overall I'll take new physics with corresponding placeholder graphics, rather than new graphics and consequently delayed physics updates. Driveline elasticity that you can feel as well as we feel the chassis today, tires that snap like real ones, and so on... All these functional things are better than eye candy. Each truly functional bit that's added improves players' interface with the virtual car and track. That's more important than some shallow graphics improvements.
Having a sim like LFS that's got physics pushed to the max that our consumer computers can handle, running on our current "outdated" graphics, would be easily a huge success. Because this audience that LFS caters to is savvy to realism already. And with that success LFS could go on to then add the eye candy varnish... But switch things around - fancy graphics and middling sim physics - and what do you have? The same thing every other racing game offers. Nice graphics and physics no better or worse than every other racer and sim racer out there. Physics not good enough to clearly set LFS apart from them. Fancy graphics wouldn't save LFS in those circumstances.
I'd take better sound esthetics to go with what's already great functionality (inarguably better than e.g. iRacing's), before any major graphics updates. Graphics wise I'd only add small functional bits, e.g. brake glow, sparks, bodywork damage.
Overall I'll take new physics with corresponding placeholder graphics, rather than new graphics and consequently delayed physics updates. Driveline elasticity that you can feel as well as we feel the chassis today, tires that snap like real ones, and so on... All these functional things are better than eye candy. Each truly functional bit that's added improves players' interface with the virtual car and track. That's more important than some shallow graphics improvements.
Having a sim like LFS that's got physics pushed to the max that our consumer computers can handle, running on our current "outdated" graphics, would be easily a huge success. Because this audience that LFS caters to is savvy to realism already. And with that success LFS could go on to then add the eye candy varnish... But switch things around - fancy graphics and middling sim physics - and what do you have? The same thing every other racing game offers. Nice graphics and physics no better or worse than every other racer and sim racer out there. Physics not good enough to clearly set LFS apart from them. Fancy graphics wouldn't save LFS in those circumstances.
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And again proving my point: this thread is now definitely boring and not likely to attract any further debate on the OP topic. In fact I'm only replying cause I lack discipline.
1) Tit for tat
2) More tit for tat. That was sarcasm and it ain't dribble cause it's cogent: "go play NFS" type replies miss the point.
3)
a) I do play some other games. None of them are both sim racers or sim racers that give me the same fun as LFS does when LFS is done justice. I said this already, but I guess I have to separately repeat this to you, in this reply, for you to get it.
b) Hosting another server that'll go empty does no good. I said this already and anyone who's looked at the server list in the last couple of years knows this already.
c) Another unrealistic because uncomprehensive solution. Diamonds in the rough and all. Plus, how do you know the fridge light is off when you close the fridge?
d) "Not valid, why" - See above
Why are you reading and replying if this is so boring? Cura te ipsum.
I ain't moaning or bitching. Or maybe bitching a little, but not the moaning kind. The hungry for a fix, anxious for a proper solution type of bitching. Others can't be held responsible for your misreading.
"Children" - You don't hate to inform me, you love to. You get off on this little obsessive not-seeing-the-forest-for-the-trees argument. If kids read this forum and make childish arguments, what responsible adult would not set them straight, given a chance to? Whether or not I like them or their immaturity is immaterial to the fact that the arguments they make are childish, IE naive, inaccurate, biased, unrealistic, inconsistent, and so on.
Show me where I dismiss anything just because, by principle, it don't match my views. If you actually believe this you either never got out of school with any useful reading skills, or you're actually trying to goad me into another reply to this retardedly convoluted and useless tangent.
Yes, now that I've both gotten my point across and gotten the feedback/reality check I wanted, AND since this thread ain't attracting any further feedback to the OP (since OP is wrong and no one cares about OP), I do expect this one's run its course. Maybe someone can argue with you about that once I stop replying.
It's one thread title written by one guy. Said guy clarifies that it means LFS is as boring as its players, and that's a fact not an opinion. Yes it was ambiguous. I'm selfish enough to exploit that ambiguity. Sue me.
It's like you can't help but be as vague and obtuse as possible so conversations keep going on and on. I don't have the patience for it.
Don't see those excessively big words in anything I've said, if you mean that.
Don't see where I said that using big words makes valid arguments that otherwise were dribble, if you mean that.
They're wrong. Too bad.
Never pretended or thought so. Does the forum revolve around you? And yet many other people replied to your posts.
WTF does this truism have to do with anything?
Incorrect, see above
Incorrect, the thread is worth locking if all anyone adds anymore are "go play NFS" snipes.
And it occurs to me now that if someone else doesn't post something back on topic soon and I keep hammering your bullshit for what it is, it'll get locked presto.
Again putting my name to things I didn't say.
Is this where I point out I never said so? That's what I did previous reply. You didn't get it then and you're probably not gonna get it now or in any future replies.
Seriously? You didn't read any of this thread. Meaning what preceded this excuse for a side argument.
And looking at this post, it's way too long for way too little useful or interesting content. Over & out
1) Tit for tat
2) More tit for tat. That was sarcasm and it ain't dribble cause it's cogent: "go play NFS" type replies miss the point.
3)
a) I do play some other games. None of them are both sim racers or sim racers that give me the same fun as LFS does when LFS is done justice. I said this already, but I guess I have to separately repeat this to you, in this reply, for you to get it.
b) Hosting another server that'll go empty does no good. I said this already and anyone who's looked at the server list in the last couple of years knows this already.
c) Another unrealistic because uncomprehensive solution. Diamonds in the rough and all. Plus, how do you know the fridge light is off when you close the fridge?
d) "Not valid, why" - See above
Why are you reading and replying if this is so boring? Cura te ipsum.
I ain't moaning or bitching. Or maybe bitching a little, but not the moaning kind. The hungry for a fix, anxious for a proper solution type of bitching. Others can't be held responsible for your misreading.
"Children" - You don't hate to inform me, you love to. You get off on this little obsessive not-seeing-the-forest-for-the-trees argument. If kids read this forum and make childish arguments, what responsible adult would not set them straight, given a chance to? Whether or not I like them or their immaturity is immaterial to the fact that the arguments they make are childish, IE naive, inaccurate, biased, unrealistic, inconsistent, and so on.
Show me where I dismiss anything just because, by principle, it don't match my views. If you actually believe this you either never got out of school with any useful reading skills, or you're actually trying to goad me into another reply to this retardedly convoluted and useless tangent.
Yes, now that I've both gotten my point across and gotten the feedback/reality check I wanted, AND since this thread ain't attracting any further feedback to the OP (since OP is wrong and no one cares about OP), I do expect this one's run its course. Maybe someone can argue with you about that once I stop replying.
It's one thread title written by one guy. Said guy clarifies that it means LFS is as boring as its players, and that's a fact not an opinion. Yes it was ambiguous. I'm selfish enough to exploit that ambiguity. Sue me.
It's like you can't help but be as vague and obtuse as possible so conversations keep going on and on. I don't have the patience for it.
Don't see those excessively big words in anything I've said, if you mean that.
Don't see where I said that using big words makes valid arguments that otherwise were dribble, if you mean that.
They're wrong. Too bad.
Never pretended or thought so. Does the forum revolve around you? And yet many other people replied to your posts.
WTF does this truism have to do with anything?
Incorrect, see above
Incorrect, the thread is worth locking if all anyone adds anymore are "go play NFS" snipes.
And it occurs to me now that if someone else doesn't post something back on topic soon and I keep hammering your bullshit for what it is, it'll get locked presto.
Again putting my name to things I didn't say.
Is this where I point out I never said so? That's what I did previous reply. You didn't get it then and you're probably not gonna get it now or in any future replies.
Seriously? You didn't read any of this thread. Meaning what preceded this excuse for a side argument.
And looking at this post, it's way too long for way too little useful or interesting content. Over & out
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It stands to reason you'd quote the guy you're replying to, to make it clear who you're talking to if you reply with other people tween you and that other guy.
The context to "having fun" was RE: the state of LFS and why I made this thread. You actually chopped up that quote yourself, so that it fit your reply to what you wish I'd said. Can't blame me for that. Or for probably not replying if you keep convolving and derailing this topic into this here irrelevant tangent; which BTW has nothing to do with the topic nor is interesting to anyone else reading this and thus probably qualifies as "something to do over email or skype".
I have no idea where you read what you describe.
Huh? I replied to everything, salient and bogus.
I'm selfish, like everyone. My selfish interest is for an LFS with more variety, more good racing, for a forum with less childish bullshit, etc. This thread's title was purposefully worded (actually I just wrote it that way carelessly, and didn't edit it cause I retrospectively saw it worked that way) to kick people in the pants about the sorry state of things (nothing but demo/drift servers populated, etc), this impetus being a kind of guarantee that I'd get replies. It's an ambiguous title that fits both what I really think (LFS is boring because players make it so) and what anyone else wants to read it as (LFS itself is boring). It catalyzes debate, which I can't see turning out any other way than concluding LFS is a great game that's underused - provided there's actual debate, not bonehead stuff like "so stop playing" or "go play NFS you noob".
And I said no longer ago than my previous reply that if this thread turned into yet another mindless dribble of LFS bashing, or anything not-constructive, I'd point it out to mods so they'd lock it, just like every other previous useless waste of space on the forum. Explicitly said constructive comments included dissent; I.E. I implicitly say I'm done with the thread (since I found fun in LFS again) and welcome people to carry on as they see fit, incl (esp.) dissent, provided it's done right. In fact you can probably pick any post I've made in this forum since day one as all-inclusive and actually encouraging proper debate, not just token bulshitting. Except for a few very obvious exceptions.
The context to "having fun" was RE: the state of LFS and why I made this thread. You actually chopped up that quote yourself, so that it fit your reply to what you wish I'd said. Can't blame me for that. Or for probably not replying if you keep convolving and derailing this topic into this here irrelevant tangent; which BTW has nothing to do with the topic nor is interesting to anyone else reading this and thus probably qualifies as "something to do over email or skype".
I have no idea where you read what you describe.
Huh? I replied to everything, salient and bogus.
I'm selfish, like everyone. My selfish interest is for an LFS with more variety, more good racing, for a forum with less childish bullshit, etc. This thread's title was purposefully worded (actually I just wrote it that way carelessly, and didn't edit it cause I retrospectively saw it worked that way) to kick people in the pants about the sorry state of things (nothing but demo/drift servers populated, etc), this impetus being a kind of guarantee that I'd get replies. It's an ambiguous title that fits both what I really think (LFS is boring because players make it so) and what anyone else wants to read it as (LFS itself is boring). It catalyzes debate, which I can't see turning out any other way than concluding LFS is a great game that's underused - provided there's actual debate, not bonehead stuff like "so stop playing" or "go play NFS you noob".
And I said no longer ago than my previous reply that if this thread turned into yet another mindless dribble of LFS bashing, or anything not-constructive, I'd point it out to mods so they'd lock it, just like every other previous useless waste of space on the forum. Explicitly said constructive comments included dissent; I.E. I implicitly say I'm done with the thread (since I found fun in LFS again) and welcome people to carry on as they see fit, incl (esp.) dissent, provided it's done right. In fact you can probably pick any post I've made in this forum since day one as all-inclusive and actually encouraging proper debate, not just token bulshitting. Except for a few very obvious exceptions.
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Assuming the more variety, the better, this is what I'd suggest:
1) The LRF class almost completely requires advanced driving skills. So the new cars ought to be as easy as possible to extract speed from.
2) In LRF we've got an RR, an FR, and an MR. So the first obvious addition would be an AWD car. In all of LFS there's no V8 road car, so that's another one. The most different car that this leaves, that'd also be user-friendly as per 1) is a naturally aspirated MR, one that's as agile as the RAC but less dodgy. E.G. something like an F-430 tweaked to be as docile as possible.
So putting this all together I get:
The XFG as a rally kit car, e.g. 1600cc, strong turbo, AWD, and slicks on wider-tracked wheels so the car doesn't flip over so easily. I don't have the tweak file anymore, but this is what it looked like:
It basically was the most agile car, with correspondingly less top end. Later I managed to find tweak settings for LRF laptimes without the oversized wheels, but they definitely needed to be about that far out to deal with the extra grip and high COG.
One of the two XRs basically as a Corvette/M3 FR roadster. Main design cues are very easy V8 throttle-ability and simplest possible handling character. Weight/tire size adjusted to keep it competitive.
The other XR as F-430. I'd copied the real F-430's specs to Tweak, and Flotch made a base setup for it. It was pretty easy to handle. The only difficulty was learning the feel of MR weight distribution, but it was very easy to control without the skinny RAC tires and larger NA engine.
I'm pretty sure I still have that setup by Flotch, so narrowing it down to only tweaking the car's max potential performance thru tweak to fit it inside LRF performance area should make it pretty easy to finish this one.
1) The LRF class almost completely requires advanced driving skills. So the new cars ought to be as easy as possible to extract speed from.
2) In LRF we've got an RR, an FR, and an MR. So the first obvious addition would be an AWD car. In all of LFS there's no V8 road car, so that's another one. The most different car that this leaves, that'd also be user-friendly as per 1) is a naturally aspirated MR, one that's as agile as the RAC but less dodgy. E.G. something like an F-430 tweaked to be as docile as possible.
So putting this all together I get:
The XFG as a rally kit car, e.g. 1600cc, strong turbo, AWD, and slicks on wider-tracked wheels so the car doesn't flip over so easily. I don't have the tweak file anymore, but this is what it looked like:
It basically was the most agile car, with correspondingly less top end. Later I managed to find tweak settings for LRF laptimes without the oversized wheels, but they definitely needed to be about that far out to deal with the extra grip and high COG.
One of the two XRs basically as a Corvette/M3 FR roadster. Main design cues are very easy V8 throttle-ability and simplest possible handling character. Weight/tire size adjusted to keep it competitive.
The other XR as F-430. I'd copied the real F-430's specs to Tweak, and Flotch made a base setup for it. It was pretty easy to handle. The only difficulty was learning the feel of MR weight distribution, but it was very easy to control without the skinny RAC tires and larger NA engine.
I'm pretty sure I still have that setup by Flotch, so narrowing it down to only tweaking the car's max potential performance thru tweak to fit it inside LRF performance area should make it pretty easy to finish this one.
LRF+ Tweak league/events - brainstorm
The idea's to race the LRF set along with extra cars tweaked to match, preferably easy ones to drive. This is generally a brainstorm thread to suggest/work out the best solutions, from what Tweak app to use, to any other helpful apps, to what the tweak car configurations should be. Anyone's welcome to suggest anything. There's no criteria other than squeezing the most cars out of LFSTweak to best match them with the LRF group. Overall this would add some novelty to the LRF class by addressing the reason for most players' reluctance to use LRF: how difficult they are to drive to their full potential.
Design of actual race events/league/etc can follow once the cars are ready.
First question is how many cars the current usable LFSTweak(s) allow? If only one, it might not be enough to attract interest. Two ought to be enough and three would definitely be enough.
Design of actual race events/league/etc can follow once the cars are ready.
First question is how many cars the current usable LFSTweak(s) allow? If only one, it might not be enough to attract interest. Two ought to be enough and three would definitely be enough.
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That makes my point.
Valuable opinions are those that actually resolve contention. To wit: I replied to your previous post by a proper argument whereas your reply above is just some truism. An "****" opinion would be me replying with another meaningless truism that "seems" to contradict; tit for tat.
What I care about is having fun with a game that I know can be fun, but (when I wrote the OP) is under/misused. If all there was to it was giving up, i.e. "not playing" like a couple of geniuses pointed out, I wouldn't have started this thread. That's not all there is to it (I still love the game). I already said this and that. I don't think I have anything more to add. I found what I was looking to trigger with this thread.
Thanks to those that supplied it.
I'll PM a mod to lock the thread if non-constructive (incl. dissenting) replies keep bumping this up. Those are part of what's "boring" about LFS.
Valuable opinions are those that actually resolve contention. To wit: I replied to your previous post by a proper argument whereas your reply above is just some truism. An "****" opinion would be me replying with another meaningless truism that "seems" to contradict; tit for tat.
What I care about is having fun with a game that I know can be fun, but (when I wrote the OP) is under/misused. If all there was to it was giving up, i.e. "not playing" like a couple of geniuses pointed out, I wouldn't have started this thread. That's not all there is to it (I still love the game). I already said this and that. I don't think I have anything more to add. I found what I was looking to trigger with this thread.
Thanks to those that supplied it.
I'll PM a mod to lock the thread if non-constructive (incl. dissenting) replies keep bumping this up. Those are part of what's "boring" about LFS.
To you: inadequate reading comprehension. The reason your reply is bunk is clearly explained before your reply.
I've said my piece, considered and replied to apparently every proper argument, and though the OP problem seems to have no solution I found a couple of things to keep me satisfied in the mean time thanks to replies in this thread. I have nothing else to add to the topic, and if nothing constructive but another string of these bonehead kneejerk replies is all anyone's got to say anymore, the mods can lock this thread as they see fit.
I've said my piece, considered and replied to apparently every proper argument, and though the OP problem seems to have no solution I found a couple of things to keep me satisfied in the mean time thanks to replies in this thread. I have nothing else to add to the topic, and if nothing constructive but another string of these bonehead kneejerk replies is all anyone's got to say anymore, the mods can lock this thread as they see fit.
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I reckon Scavier are on their own especially to avoid that.
That leaves out a reality of the large majority of big game dev houses: the idiot execs who force the actual content/feature developers to make idiot content and features because "it'd be so cool". E.G. A relative of mine who's worked in a few major studios reported the same thing. This is why you have major blockbuster games nowadays with some bugs/features/false notes that any amateur knows at first sight how to do better.
Ruled by one or three Jong-Il; what's the difference? And what's this broken analogy supposed to demonstrate?
Why it's not you making LFS.
Why release S2 when S3'll eventually replace it? It's a theoretical/philosophical argument, that. But even speaking only on principle rather than specifics, you might have a development issue if your plan for a gradual release roadmap takes you at some point to something like two years without any release.
GT5 is 350 bucks, compared to 40 for LFS.
The wife beater analogy is so badly chosen it ain't funny.
The wife beater analogy is so badly chosen it ain't funny.
Wrong. And it's not a pertinent argument when almost all online servers with more than two tumbleweeds racing are either demo, cruise, drift, and the only exceptions are overused combos. Even if you've just started on LFS, those combos will get old quick; the state of things leads to exactly what you denounce those "5 percenter" players for. Nothing that hasn't already been said further up-thread.
That said, I finally caved in and tried the cargame server, and it's not hard to see why it's popular. It has much of what LFS is missing: lots of variety so that you're almost guaranteed to find at least one or two others racing something in the class you want to race, and almost everyone gets to make passes (gratuitous gratification). There's enough quality that most people care enough to drive sensibly.
On a tangent, I think this proves something I argued a while back: You don't need perfect class balancing, given a dense enough car class. With a dense enough performance cloud, everyone in the car class stays in touch enough that you feasibly can catch up to some faster cars in the class duking it out ahead of you.
Not realistic. You know the saying. Peace sells, but who's buying?
Now I've done what I think is the fair thing: made my point clearly enough and constructively (problem and solution are found in the thread). I didn't post & run, stayed around to frankly answer most refutals. If no one else can think of any useful suggestions of how to fix this (the utter lack of public server variety - as of last eve/night US/EU time there was still an overwhelming majority of demo servers with the rest being about equal parts drift/cruise/tired ol combos) or add anything else that's insightful or useful in some way, I'm going to rest my case.
There's some large number of possible track/carset combos in LFS, and in public servers you have something like >95% of them demo or cruise/drift or a completely overused combo.
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Wish I could. I've got a terrible accent and only have patience for driving, not talking. I'll check out the league. Best of luck with coloring, though.
non sequitur
One more empty server. I don't see how this is any use.
Love it (still dream of slow motion suspension travel and tire deformation)
Bored
Going away rather than burn out on it, unless I can find an LRF or fun GTR/F08 league.
Bored
Going away rather than burn out on it, unless I can find an LRF or fun GTR/F08 league.
That's what I do. Unfortunately that means e.g. LRF server where there's only 3-4 people on, and then only for 20min or so. You could argue that I oughta stick around and wait for new ones to join, but that's not feasible. I can't justify standing in front of the computer waiting for other players somewhere on the net to connect. "If" everyone did this, it'd work, sure. With some luck this thread will make this point bounce around in enough players' heads to put things back on track. But personally I suspect way too few players really care to learn or have the patience for anything but the easiest and/or already well-worn tracks like those I mentioned in the OP.
No. I remember LX/LRF servers, more GTR servers (a couple AS3, and at least one other track), occasionally F08, etc. Arguably only marginally more than what we've got now, but that marginal extra was enough.
Yep. I'll happily take ballast or a slower car, or start from the back of the grid.
Sorta. They did, but I also played about as much on random public servers.
This is partisan BS. Plain and simple. There's barely any variety. Something like half the active servers are demo = not just microscopic car variety but also capped at 12 players. No LRF servers. No GTR variety. And so on; no sense repeating what I'd already said up-thread.
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The serious men bit is just a quip. I think that one instance I saw was ridiculous, but I totally empathize with the practical concern behind it.
Don't be sorry, my misread, no sweat either way. I'll bookmark your leagues along with ITBRTI's, thanks.
Don't be sorry, my misread, no sweat either way. I'll bookmark your leagues along with ITBRTI's, thanks.
Yes, this same thread again. Except it doesn't argue that iRacing is better, because it ain't. Nor that LFS will never get better - it will with the patch and hopefully more content after that. Nor that people must read this, because all you have to do is skip the thread if it don't float your boat.
What it does pour some fuel on the fire: the "community's" apathy at putting this great game to use. Cruise isn't freaking racing. If I wanted cruise I'd go play GTA or something. Endless XRG/XFG/FBM or GTR@AS3 monotony is not fun, any way you spin it. And that's saying something about how overused these are, because outside this here context, the current state of things, they're really fun combos. Just not after a million times.
Yep
Good for you, but LFS is my thing.
Yep. Major turn off. If I recommend LFS to anyone, it won't include checking out the "community" forums, outside of league listings.
Exactly the type of mindless drooling crap that's helped LFS get where it is now.
But, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
"To be honest" - No. Way. You mean you can actually be straight forward honest on a video game forum? What a crazy thought! And people will actually tell you what they think in response? Incontheivable!
Your point's lost in what vaguely sounds like an assumption that your MO is my MO. I think I can get away with one salient and well articulated rant. I don't make threads every other day. I didn't play LFS for years, barely looked at the forum and much less posted. Now after a few years I check in with my feedback: It's a single thread, not two or ten or fifty. I'm doing what the forum is for, not with stupid teenage airhead meme parroting
but with what I consider fairly made points.
As much as the lack of updates' a calamity, I'm arguing against what could actually be done, what's feasible. Not what can't be helped. My beef ain't with the lack of updates.
Thanks, nothing wrong with the pimping, it's exactly what I'm after and what LFS needs more of. I'll check it out.
Not the point. Aside the fact that I don't want to pay such a fortune for iRacing for what's probably only marginally better (tallying all the pros and cons), and aside whether Scavier could or couldn't take LFS that step further in realism, if most players do nothing more with the game than some trite cruise and drift servers, and put no effort in hosting/populating a good variety of public servers, the best sim in the world won't be worthwhile.
Well, good for you as far as iR goes, and yes the crucial point is good leagues and public races. The latter certainly isn't there.
That ain't the topic.
It's late. What the heck do you call over a year of zero developments? No cockpits, no new cars to put some flavor in the current mostly-4banger models, nothing. Not even Bob's NASCAR Tweak.
I don't actually get all soppy about it. Calling it miserable is just blowing steam.
Not saying so. It's the sheer lack of any racing variety on top of the long dearth of updates.
Thanks for the effort, but is it an LRF league? F08? GTR without a billion pages of rules and pedantic pretention like "we are serious men seriously racing; follow these anal-retentively meticulous rules that make no difference to the ACTUAL RACING" ? -- that's only slightly exaggerated from a few "popular" GTR leagues I've checked out.
Delay isn't what's disappointing to me, but utter blandness of active server choices, and no LRF racing that I can see. Scavier made this great game and it's barely exploited.
Now to counter the above negativity, I'll point out the one positive I did come across; and without which I'd have accepted that nothing can be done and that it is a dead horse not worth beating (and gone back to a few years off LFS without posting this) - FM (whatever that clan is that came from FPS games and started with 24/7 ovals a few years ago) FOX junkies: Consistently full-ish grid, admins present, continuous track rotation (and by vote too).
Now that's how it ought to be. LFS servers wouldn't be so empty if they were more like this.
Check mate.
So that's it, I shot my load. Going back to lurk mode.
"Good race"
What it does pour some fuel on the fire: the "community's" apathy at putting this great game to use. Cruise isn't freaking racing. If I wanted cruise I'd go play GTA or something. Endless XRG/XFG/FBM or GTR@AS3 monotony is not fun, any way you spin it. And that's saying something about how overused these are, because outside this here context, the current state of things, they're really fun combos. Just not after a million times.
Yep
Good for you, but LFS is my thing.
Yep. Major turn off. If I recommend LFS to anyone, it won't include checking out the "community" forums, outside of league listings.
Exactly the type of mindless drooling crap that's helped LFS get where it is now.
But, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
"To be honest" - No. Way. You mean you can actually be straight forward honest on a video game forum? What a crazy thought! And people will actually tell you what they think in response? Incontheivable!
Your point's lost in what vaguely sounds like an assumption that your MO is my MO. I think I can get away with one salient and well articulated rant. I don't make threads every other day. I didn't play LFS for years, barely looked at the forum and much less posted. Now after a few years I check in with my feedback: It's a single thread, not two or ten or fifty. I'm doing what the forum is for, not with stupid teenage airhead meme parroting
but with what I consider fairly made points.
As much as the lack of updates' a calamity, I'm arguing against what could actually be done, what's feasible. Not what can't be helped. My beef ain't with the lack of updates.
Thanks, nothing wrong with the pimping, it's exactly what I'm after and what LFS needs more of. I'll check it out.
Not the point. Aside the fact that I don't want to pay such a fortune for iRacing for what's probably only marginally better (tallying all the pros and cons), and aside whether Scavier could or couldn't take LFS that step further in realism, if most players do nothing more with the game than some trite cruise and drift servers, and put no effort in hosting/populating a good variety of public servers, the best sim in the world won't be worthwhile.
Well, good for you as far as iR goes, and yes the crucial point is good leagues and public races. The latter certainly isn't there.
That ain't the topic.
It's late. What the heck do you call over a year of zero developments? No cockpits, no new cars to put some flavor in the current mostly-4banger models, nothing. Not even Bob's NASCAR Tweak.
I don't actually get all soppy about it. Calling it miserable is just blowing steam.
Not saying so. It's the sheer lack of any racing variety on top of the long dearth of updates.
Thanks for the effort, but is it an LRF league? F08? GTR without a billion pages of rules and pedantic pretention like "we are serious men seriously racing; follow these anal-retentively meticulous rules that make no difference to the ACTUAL RACING" ? -- that's only slightly exaggerated from a few "popular" GTR leagues I've checked out.
Delay isn't what's disappointing to me, but utter blandness of active server choices, and no LRF racing that I can see. Scavier made this great game and it's barely exploited.
Now to counter the above negativity, I'll point out the one positive I did come across; and without which I'd have accepted that nothing can be done and that it is a dead horse not worth beating (and gone back to a few years off LFS without posting this) - FM (whatever that clan is that came from FPS games and started with 24/7 ovals a few years ago) FOX junkies: Consistently full-ish grid, admins present, continuous track rotation (and by vote too).
Now that's how it ought to be. LFS servers wouldn't be so empty if they were more like this.
Check mate.
So that's it, I shot my load. Going back to lurk mode.
"Good race"
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LFS is boring [Not]
LFS is boring because there aren't any hosts other than
1) cruise and drift - lazy drivers, except for very few exceptions on drift servers who actually do wring the cars at or near 10/10ths
2) demo - XRG and XFG are demo cars for good reason: they're castrated econoboxes, and FBM @ Blackwood offers zero novelty
3) GTR@AS3: this combo's been on since Day One. The day S2 came out, I was racing AS3 on GTRs already.
There aren't any LRF servers, no GTR servers on less-used tracks, only a very small handful of TBO/LX4 servers, absolutely no FO8/F1 servers, etc.
The state of things in LFS due to the lateness (inarguable) of the physics/VW/Rockingham patch is miserable. Compounding this is the apparent incapability of LFS hosts/players to play anything but the very most boring track/car combos.
I might just give up for another 3-4 years and come back once S3 is out.
1) cruise and drift - lazy drivers, except for very few exceptions on drift servers who actually do wring the cars at or near 10/10ths
2) demo - XRG and XFG are demo cars for good reason: they're castrated econoboxes, and FBM @ Blackwood offers zero novelty
3) GTR@AS3: this combo's been on since Day One. The day S2 came out, I was racing AS3 on GTRs already.
There aren't any LRF servers, no GTR servers on less-used tracks, only a very small handful of TBO/LX4 servers, absolutely no FO8/F1 servers, etc.
The state of things in LFS due to the lateness (inarguable) of the physics/VW/Rockingham patch is miserable. Compounding this is the apparent incapability of LFS hosts/players to play anything but the very most boring track/car combos.
I might just give up for another 3-4 years and come back once S3 is out.
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