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Breizh
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It's not what's wrong with Cruise and Drift, but that they're not priorities for LFS development right now. The official stance (I'm only guessing, don't take my word for it) is that they're welcome and Scavier are glad to entertain and accommodate them to some degree, but they're not top priorities.

The #2 mod idea needs to come with some systematic regulating solution to keep competition fair, or it just won't fit into LFS.
Breizh
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2a Is that really what a commercial license of those models or similar models would cost?
2b You are only guessing at Scavier's budget for LFS.

3 & 4 LFS is not a screenshot generator: those models are beyond LFS' graphics budget within the overall budget, because physics are the prime objective of LFS. And which would you rather have along with high quality physics: more items of content rendered at medium-quality, or less items rendered at high quality? LFS is after realistic function, before realistic fashion.

Remember, a 30 car grid of cars multiplies what might seem like only marginal performance budget differences between only mildly-improved models, and models as highly improved as those you're arguing for.
Breizh
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Maybe Victor could add it to his hotlap analyzer.
Breizh
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That's what your post read like. My bad.
Breizh
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Where did I argue for that kind of five figure expense, or that that was one good aspect of the OP suggestion?
Breizh
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Quote from bunder9999 :yes, but just because they are there doesn't mean they intended for those vehicles to be added to lfs at some point... they could have been used for internal testing.

I'm not convinced either. The point is that Scavier develop things their own way, they don't only copy real models.

And the OP's point isn't completely off-base. Some of the models are getting old, any way you spin it. The FZ5's exhausts are cartoonish at best now. You wouldn't need a thousand polygons to improve them to "good enough".
Breizh
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I mean those aren't in the public version of the game because they're not ready. The only other reason I can think of is that the game isn't ready for them, which would be a strange reason. The nearest good reason is in the case of motorcycles and how to control them with classic car controls, which enough other games have shown can be done effectively enough.
IIRC there were more than one type of kart (something like 125cc, 250cc), along with motorcycle cartype, so it's consistent with these being unfinished models.
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Breizh
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Quote from hazaky :I personally cant whine over the amount of car models poly's. I think the textures are more urgent than the models ...

You guys are starting to sound like fanboys. The OP isn't complaining or whining, regardless of whether his vision of LFS is fundamentally flawed. He's just enthusiastic about LFS, just like most. And has the balls to put up his early-stage ideas, which anyone with any team-based development experience knows is a great recipe for potentially good ideas getting totally trashed.

The comment about his using a demo forum account despite a thousand bucks rig is more of the same bullshit forum politics.


The main problems with the OP idea:
1) Scavier haven't yet shown hints that user content is due anytime soon.
2) LFS is a sim first of all, and all those polygons are very probably beyond the point of diminishing returns. Visually.
3) Functionally, LFS being a sim first of all means that the performance budget for those visuals beyond the point of DR would be better used for physics. Which if LFS is anything like a flight sim, are still a MAJOR coding/performance hurdle for LFS' target computers.
4) I only glanced at the website, but in principle I doubt they'd let LFS include those paying items without a more expensive business license. When Eric could just do more of what he's always done: make cars himself (c.f. the undeveloped/unreleased models LFSTweak hints at: kart, buggy, motorcycle, etc). What's more probably the bottleneck here is the physics that go with the car models.
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Breizh
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Nevertheless Bioshock is one of the few games nowadays that's a quality yarn with few enough disruptions of suspension of disbelief. The upwards trend (e.g. replay something from back in the day like Another World and you might be surprised by how little (even if excellent) substance the game consists of) is kind of slumping.. Mafia 2 is the latest quality franchise that's been sold out for profit, beyond something really enjoyable.
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Breizh
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He means the initialism.
k/ph reads kilometer per per hour.
I see your 3 ! marks and raise you !!!!.
Breizh
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Quote from Lible :We don't need a forum like we were in North Korea.

This.
Breizh
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He means progress worth reporting; by making it appear out of thin air.

Quote :its about time to give them something back.

Breizh
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Quote from boosterfire :Just my current feeling about things...

I've long ago lost the belief that the community as a whole could somehow accomplish the seemingly impossible and get Scavier to change their work methods. I'm glad to see more of Scawen lately, though. The recent posts of Scawen give me a better feeling about the development. I mean, even though the progress isn't faster, it's nice not to be left in the dark. Kudos for that.

Yet... I can't help but feel a little awkward about LFS. To me, LFS will always be the perfect example of the project that could have been so much more. Who knew, back in 2003, that LFS would be at this point in its development in 2010? Back then, most of us would only refer to 2010 as an exaggeration joke when people asked when LFS would be done.

So my bottom line is, I respect Scavier's work a lot, but I never could understand Scavier's rationale about this project.

"Could have been so much more" - says who? Did Scavier say this somewhere?
Breizh
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Just race in leagues. There's plenty; and more to choose from when physics improve. Persistent wreckers are removed by league admins, a much better alternative to any kind of software regulation.
Breizh
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Quote from VeGe- :just keeps us even a bit updated. I though LFS is going down becose lack of interest from devs, but now I know they really are working hard.

Clear evidence that no news doesn't say anything about actual progress or developer motivation; manifest and latent.
Quote : Small bits of info every once in a while is only thing we ask.

Lest we think LFS was going down from lack of dev work.
Breizh
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Too much cultural shock for Steam gamers used to games made with classic development schemes. IE LFS on Steam would really only be feasible for the next big final release. S3 or whatever.
Breizh
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The impression I get from the OP is a major underestimation of the relative importance of good art over which pixel shader versions and whatnot the art is rendered with.
Breizh
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Don't need DX10 for immersive graphics.
Breizh
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RSC needs to add automatic time stamps to their articles, if that one's anything to go by.
Breizh
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Quote from MadCatX :What's the point of these threads anyway when we know that there is a brand new tire physics engine under way?

Can't get there without coming thru here.
Breizh
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What a bogus argument. Taste WRT racing/drifting/cruising is independent of ability to race fast. There's no reason to forbid drifting anymore than there is cruising or motorcycles. Whether it's technically feasible or not is the real question.
Breizh
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Quote from Speed Soro :Wrong is to complain about the complains.

What any post of his boils down to.
Quote :first thing that this "team" must to understand is that this situation was created by them, not us.

More of the same.
Quote :That weren't us that come here and ask for someone to create a simulator, we didn't come here and said: Hey, you, please, develop something for us.

What's that got to do with anything?
Quote :Second, they promise, and if you promise something, you must to make it. Pay you debts, stay there on the clock, be honest.

Show this as legal contract or admit you're making it up.
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