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Cue-Ball
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I always wear shoes, especially since getting a G25. The stiffer springs and metal pedals almost mandate wearing shoes. I also am very picky about the shoes that I wear. My Adidas "sorta-driving-shoes" would be perfect, except that the pedals on the G25 are so far apart. So, I wear a pair of well used Nikes with very thin soles. I can feel pretty well what the pedals are doing, but they're still wide enough that I can heel/toe fairly easily.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from KeiichiRX7 :In the end you end up with just another racing class, slower, but very very competitive.

Understandable. However, I think you're going to have a hard time convincing most of the GTR lovers to trade in their cars for one with 40% less power.

You seem to have slowed all three cars substantially. It would seem like you should be able to remove ~30% of the intake restriction from all three cars and have them still run very even (29% is the least restricted of the three), without slowing them too significantly.
Cue-Ball
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I also would like to see use of the driving aids penalized more. A driver using aids needs to be no faster, and preferably slower, than someone who is doing everything manually.

I'd like to see shifts take longer when using auto clutch. Turning on auto-blip should increase shift times even further (only slightly, but enough to offset the benefit). Maybe even something where shifting too quickly causes a mis-shift into neutral? Missing a shift or releasing the clutch too soon is quite easy with an H-shifter. Something should be done to even things out.

Auto-cut is harder to address. If you force auto-cut on for people using auto-clutch, you slow them down a bit, at least. But, in addition to slowing them down you also prevent possible engine damage that they would sustain from leaving the throttle to the floor during shifts. Seems like you either have to not allow auto-cut at all (it's not necessary, no matter what controller you are using), or you have to make it quite a bit less effective and/or slower since it reduces the risks so much. This will be doubly true once engine damage is made more realistic.
Cue-Ball
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Even if you managed to get the cars behaving closely, with those sorts of severe restrictions you're going to be looking at much slower GTRs. Any idea how much the lap times have fallen off? It would have to be a lot, I'd imagine.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from duke_toaster :I suggest people should be able to post models, and very good ones should be considered for addition to LFS.

That's what I'd like to see. One would think that the actual modeling itself would be the hardest part of adding a car. However; none of us really knows how much work Scawen and/or Eric has to put in, defining suspension hardpoints, determining tire size, figuring out texture mapping, etc. Also, any model that is submitted would have to have a fully modeled interior (something that most guys don't bother with), multiple poly models (for LOD reduction), an exterior skin that's easily editable, interior textures, etc. Another possible hold up that I can foresee would be the car selection screen. It's pretty full and would have to be changed for more cars to fit. I used to think that the devs were leery of including the work of others, or that they didn't want to have to deal with the legal paperwork of getting rights to the content. But, I think most any fan of LFS would be happy to sign away the rights to their car, just for the chance to see it in the game. Also, it seems like Don, Kid, and now Dave WS (sound pack) have gotten stuff into the game, so I would think that any possible legal hurdles would have long since been resolved by now.

Unfortunately, this has been suggested many, many times and the devs have never so much as commented on the possibility, one way or the other. So, I think the chances of this ever happening are slim to none.

Quote :As for tracks, there could be the £250 track making kit, £50 of which should be refunded if it gets put in to LFS. The tracks should not be in a "ready to rock" form for any Tom, Dick or Harry, just only on specific licences until it gets put in to LFS. And they should be sure if they trust them first.

I have a feeling that Eric makes the tracks using non-specialized tools. I would guess that something like 3DSMax is used, with some other specialty tools for track smoothing and maybe texturing. If this were the case, tracks could potentially be handled similar to the way cars would be in the paragraph above since anyone with the desire would be able to model a track in 3d Studio or Blender or whatever.

But, again, we don't really know anything about the process, what tools are used for track creation, how long it takes, what has to be done before the track can be used in-game, etc. Until the devs give us some details, we're all just guessing.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from phille87 :I got a problem, I got some problems updating the patch, but finally It worked but with many screens saying "couldnt upload sound" "couldnt upload skins" and every that, but it is version 0,5w and then when I want to play multiplayer it says" Cant receive guestinformation"

How to fix this? :S

It sounds like you upgraded to W over a very old version. What version were you running prior to installing the patch?
Cue-Ball
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I'm not sure if we'll see multiple helmet types, but you can be certain that we will get an updated helmet model, at the very least.

Quote from LFS skin viewer documentation :NOTE 1 : RB4, LX4, LX6, UFR and HEL models are expected to be updated
between now and the final S2 release, and this may affect your skins.

Cue-Ball
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Quote from Albieg :If you're using the word "anarchy" as the loose definition of "total lack of control" you may be right, but your sentence isn't built like that, so I guess you lost your bet.

I'm using the word anarchy, just as it is meant, and as it is defined in the dictionary. Anarchy is absence of government, and absolute freedom of the individual. This means that everyone is free to do anything they wish, whether or not those acts infringe on others. I would be free to shoot my neighbor, with no lawful consequences. He, on the other hand, would be free to shoot me. Again, with no lawful consequences (though, we would both face possible consequences from the society around us, since they would be free to avenge either of those acts. And so on, and so forth).

The point I am making is that the more free you are, the more risks you take, and the more responsibility rests in your hands (I believe this is what you were saying, as well). It seems to me that many people in the world are unwilling to accept that responsibility. People like myself believe that the reward of being armed outweighs the risk. Being unarmed does nothing to decrease the risk, and causes the populace to depend on the government for protection, thus becoming subjugates of the state.

Quote :All I see in what happened at Virginia Tech is a madman who felt bullied and went on a killing spree with a very easy access to firearms, and my first priority in dealing with such cases would be trying to prevent them, not dealing with them when they happen.

The question becomes, how do you prevent them? Do you address the underlying issue of what would drive a person to commit such an act, or do you take away one weapon, which others lawfully use, knowing full well that other weapons are just as easily available, and even more destructive? I vote for the former.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from KeiichiRX7 :What's irked me most about this whole thread wasn't the requested feature, it was the complaintive nature of it.

Nobody is complaining. We are just offering our thoughts along with possible ways to address the problem so that everyone is satisfied. It's called constructive criticism. If the changes make us happy and are just as easy as the current system, then why not discuss them?

Quote :The feature is being developed, if it's not perfect so what? It's Scavier's sim project, we paid to be beta testers. If we don't like the way Scawen Roberts wants to program his simulator software, we can all go straight to hell (myself included).

I think Scawen is smart enough to listen to his customers. The end decision is his, but we want to be happy with the product, and I think he wants us to be happy with it as well.

Quote :The only opinion that matters is the one of he who holds the final decision, though that opinion might take the thoughts of others into account.

Exactly! If we don't make our opinons known, how is he supposed to take them into account?

Quote :This whole thread is over a moot point. Scawen said in no uncertain terms "NO".

I seem to recall that he said the same thing about skidmarks...

Now, please stay on topic and quit with the rants and personal attacks.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from Scawen :That was already added to the player flags in W9.

How the heck did I miss that?

Great to hear! Looks like now I have to get off my butt and work on that league I've been talking about so long. Thanks! :bowdown:
Cue-Ball
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Quote from Jamexing :The problem as a personal protection device is that even if the one with it is a sane and reasonable person, it doesn't mean that he could use it effectively to save lives. These weapons are more a danger to yourself if you aren't familiar with their use and maintanece. A person who can't shoot straight could easily be more dangerous than someone who was trying to hit you.

Besides, it's one thing to do well in target practice. Most civillians simply do not have the experience, training and will to use firearms effectively against dangerous people.

I'm sorry to inform you, but you are blatantly incorrect. Most police officers (it varies by jurisdiction) are only required to have a few hours per year of target practice time. Me, and many of the people that I know, go to the range once or twice a month for two hours at a time. So, in essence, we are better trained than the police at how to use our firearms. Mykl already did a good job of addressing shotguns and home defense.

One more thing I'd like to point out, that none of the anti-gun crowd seems to acknowledge and that is, that a gun does not have to be fired to be useful. The sight of a pistol grip or the sound of a shotgun racking are MORE effective than a gun being fired. Guns are used as crime deterrents thousands of times a day, without ever being fired. How many other tools are just as, if not more, effective without even being used?

Quote :Then there's the problem with escalation. Criminals have AK-47s, so we should arm ourselves with M16A3s? Then they come up with bazookas, so we should counter with stinger missles? What kind of neighbourhood is this? Is this just another scene from ROBOCOP 1/2/3? Oh man, we've got a war zone down here! And to get to this level shows how messed up and corrupt a society has become. Welcome to (insert a south american country)

You watch way too many movies. AK47s and M16s are collector guns. They are already regulated and virtually never used in gun related crimes. Anti-gun legislators like to throw around the word "assault weapon", but it's totally meaningless. Approximately 2% of gun crimes in the US are caused by such "assault weapons". Anyone who thinks that fully automatic firearms are a major problem has been seriously misled.

Quote :It's not a matter of armament. It's down to the effective function of society itself. Guns are the treatment of last resort when things do go horribly wrong. In the end prevention is >>> cure/treament.

I think on this point, we are in agreement.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from Jamexing :Speaking of gun laws and gun ownership, there're quie a few observations I find rather interestings.

In many countries where guns are practically banned for most civiliians, gun crimes are...drum roll...VERY low.

Let's see, Japan. Almost no civillian guns and surprise surprise, VERY low gun crime rates. BTW, has anyone heard of school shootings in South East Asia? Bet not.

You have to take into account not just whether or not guns are legal, but the disposition of the society as well. Japan is a good example of a relatively peaceful country that has no firearms. Switzerland is an example of a country that has more guns per capita than almost anywhere else in the world, yet is still peaceful. So, you can see that it cuts both ways. The only way you can truly compare is to take a society that allows guns and remove them, or vice versa. If you study these scenarios you'll find that in virtually every single case crime rises when guns are removed and drops when guns are reintroduced.

Isn't it possible that if heavy armament was required for peace, then the problem isn't the presesnce of guns or not? Isn't it possible that this is due to some deeper fundamental problem that strikes the people of that area to the core?

Quote :...your long rant about prozac, bullying, and whatever else....

I'm not quite sure what your point is here, or who you are trying to convince. I've already said several times in this thread that poverty and mental health issues are the reason for crime. But that is a totally separate issue than gun rights.

Quote :Let's see, big and rich country bullies small and poor country. Poor country eventually gets on its last straw. Poor country wants revenge. Next thing we know it's WAR. Rich country simpy labels poor country as a terrorist nation, poor country cries out and lables rich country as "the almighty oppressor" or "the great satan" or whatever. Sound familiar?

I think we're all quite familar by now. Perhaps you'd like to explain this concept to our asshat of a president?

Quote :If the fear of getting shot by a firearm is the thing that's keeping the peace, it doesn't mean that firearms are the solution to peace. It is in fact just another form terrorism and tyranny.

For reasonable people, the threat of violence is not necessary. Unfortunately, people rarely use reason when they act. If these people are made aware that their actions could have serious consequences (such as getting a bullet in their ass), they generally stop, think a moment, then decide maybe it's best to let it slide and go on with their life. The fear of getting shot only comes into play when someone is doing something they shouldn't be in the first place, such as attacking another person, robbing a house, carjacking, etc. Don't do those things and you generally don't have to worry.

Quote :I wonder if most people remember what true freedom is anymore.

True freedom is anarchy. In the case of an anarchistic society, you can bet your ass that EVERYONE would be armed to the teeth, because there would be no police force or government to regulate the behavior of their fellow citizens.

You sure you want true freedom?
Cue-Ball
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Will "shifter type" and "clutch type" fields be added in patch X, since the whole InSim system is being redone, or will that be added later? I know that several of us are looking forward to this, and thought now might be the time to do it since you're revamping.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from ebola :Thats a damn fine video and it shows LFS really well IMO!

Come on Cue the chicane is easily taken flat out Smile

I don't drive Aston all that often, especially not in the open wheelers. Even in the slower tin tops, that damn chicane ALWAYS ends up biting me in the ass. Smile
Cue-Ball
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Quote from Imphy :Great stuff - I must get a projector and convert one of my rooms into "the LFS room" =)

If you look at the pictures of my setup at the end of the vid, you can see that I found a way to have my cake and eat it too. I setup the screen in the closet of my office. If I need the extra room, or want to make the office look "tidy", I just push my seat into the closet, close the curtains, and that's it. Smile

Edit: of course, I'm now planning a full-on cockpit to be kept in the basement. But my current setup is reasonably stealthy and wife-friendly, all things considered.
Cue-Ball
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I'm jealous.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from Imphy :Nice setup! I am about to sort out my LFS setup. Is that a projector or plasma and if it is a projector, are you rearprojecting or something?

It's an InFocus ScreenPlay 5000 front projector, running 1280x720 (720p) resolution. I bought it, oh, about 9 months ago, I suppose. It was retail $1,000 at the time, but I got it on sale for $600. You can probably find them for around $4-500 used on eBay, I'd wager.
Cue-Ball
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I ran across this article on digg this morning, and thought that it might be an interesting read for some of you.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n ... icle.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
Cue-Ball
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Quote from Macfox :Don't the trees and the flags indicate wind?

Yes, but it would be much more helpful to see "Winds out of the Southwest at 10mph" or something along those lines. Also, eventually LFS will have track temp, air temp, etc. modeled (at least, we all hope so). There's no way to tell how warm it is just by looking at the track.

Quote :Track and Layout are really covered by the minimap, however I guess they could be displayed as text somewhere.

Because there are so many different layouts for each track, it can become quite confusing. I've been playing this game for something like two years now, and I still don't know which layout is which. It would be very helpful if we could easily see that we're on Aston National Reverse at any time, so that if we change cars we can easily pick the right setup. It's not practical to expect users to remember every single track layout. This will be especially true when/if we get more tracks or additional layouts.

Quote :Pitstop rules should be displayed at start of race IMO and as a flashup message close to pit windows.

I would not want to see this. I would really like to see this information displayed on a tab or overlay instead. To me, LFS will be best when it gets to the point that nothing is displayed across the screen unless you specifically want it to. For instance, getting rid of the "Yellow Flag" text and putting in track marshals waving flags would be a huge first step. Removing the lap times that pop up, and substituting them with a virtual pit board of some type would be another improvement. I think we need fewer things popping up on screen, not more of them.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from March Hare :How do you carry your gun? In a holster? What kind of holster?

How fast can you draw? Can you draw faster than a bullet? I doubt it. So your gun will be worth a fetid dingos kidneys when someone holds you at gun point and demands your wallet.

What about if they shoot you in the back? What use is your gun then?

By your logic then, police also should not have guns either, since they are obviously completely useless. I think perhaps you need to rethink your argument.

Quote :You americans seem to think that criminals are like those in John Wayne westerns. At sunrise you stand on the street facing each other with your fingers the regulatory 2" from the gun and.... DRAW!

No. We Americans know that most criminals are cowardly. We know that they like living and breathing, and that the one thing they are most afraid of is a bullet. It's been shown that jail sentences, three-strikes rules, mandatory minimum sentences, etc. do virtually nothing to deter crime. The one thing that has proven, again and again, to drastically reduce crime is when normal citizens exercise their right to carry. This has been shown many times in many studies. I would be happy to cite sources if you'd like.

Quote :Where do you think all the "illegal" guns come from? Some come across the border but most come from burglaries. So because most americans have guns (plural) most burglars get guns as loot. They can't sell them legally so they sell them illegally. The people that were burglarised now go buy more guns for "safety" and thus your law abiding citisens are feeding the illegal gun market.

As I've said before in this thread, guns are available whether or not the public at large is legally allowed to have them. Guns are illegal in Great Britain. Other than antiques, private citizens are not allowed to own firearms. And, Great Britain is surrounded by water, with no porous borders for the smuggling of arms. Even despite these huge obstacles, guns are in the hands of criminals and gun crimes are committed. Please explain.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from nihil :LOL... No, but its the special characteristic of 'going postal' that the person involved has usually been a law-abiding citizen right up until the moment that something snaps, and randomly erasing people from daily life seems like a 'reasonable' option.

You can't punish a person for what they are thinking, or for what they *might* do. You can only punish someone for doing or attempting to do something illegal.

And if someone snaps and decides they want to kill a bunch of people, there are plenty of ways to do it that don't rely on a gun. In Iraq, Israel, Palestine, and many other countries, suicide bombings are a part of daily life. Dozens or even hundreds dead without a single bullet fired. On September 11th, terrorists pulled off the most destructive, and highest death toll, terrorist attack ever on US soil. They didn't use a single gun. In 1995 several people were killed and hundreds more injured when toxic gases were released in a subway station in Tokyo. In 2001, Timothy McVeigh was able to kill 168 people and injure hundreds more when he bombed a building in Oklahoma City. And what did he use? Manure!

The fact is that anyone who is determined to hurt people will find a way. Making guns illegal doesn't stop these things from happening. The only thing that outlawing guns accomplishes is to disarm the people who are already law abiding. Criminals have no problem with stealing, raping, and murdering. Why should they give a shit about a possession of firearm charge?
Cue-Ball
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Quote from Boris Lozac :Cue-ball, i understand some of your points, but the fact is, you live in one messed up country..

Some things about the US are quite messed up, I agree. But the right to bear arms is not one of them. I would venture to say that 90% of the problems we have in this country are due to either intolerance or poverty. Luckily, the large majority of people live happy lives with no real issues. And, despite the problems, despite the idiot who is currently in charge, we still live in the best country in the world and enjoy more freedoms that anywhere else.

Quote :I really love most things about USA, always dreamed of going there, the scenery, those cool neighboorhoods of yours impress me, and stuff like that, but the thing that is frightening to me is, that i could get shot by some paranoid lady looking at her car in front of her house for example, maybe taking a picture of it, with a friend, pretending it's my car, stuff like that, but the paranoid lady would probably shoot me thinking that i am a thief..
You think that this is not the case? think againg.. in normal society, the lady would call the police, or something like that.. and no one would be hurt..

I think you have been watching too many episodes of CSI or something. The right to bear arms does not give you the right to indiscriminately endanger those around you. I'm not sure if it's movies, or TV, or what, but people from other countries seem to think that we all walk around shooting each other for no reason. It's just not so. If I were checking out someone's car and they decided to shoot me, they would be going to prison for murder. Simple as that.
Cue-Ball
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Quote from deggis :Really cool. Next time turn off the HUD stuff Smile

Heh. I figured someone would mention that. I usually turn the HUD off, but had *just* joined the server when the race started. I didn't have time to really do anything unless I wanted to sit out the race while I messed with my settings. So, I just said "screw it" and went ahead. Smile
Cue-Ball
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Quote from squidhead :The video you have requested is not available.

If you have recently uploaded this video, you may need to wait a few minutes for the video to process.

It was available for me, even before I started the thread. Shrug
Cue-Ball
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Quote from CELTIC100 :I was having this problem with Conedodgers1 - 22 cars on the start line and I am this week upgrading Graphics card as at present I have a Dell with integrated Graphics Getting 10fps at the starts but normally 35 - 40fps during races.

Make sure you max out your LOD reduction and see if that helps, as well. The cars will look like bricks on the starting line, but things should be much smoother.
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